Ft. Hood Theory
Found this thread at - http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s1235603.shtml#disqus_thread
I found it an interesting theory, and much more likely than the "official story".
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"In Washington, a senior U.S. official said authorities at Fort Hood initially thought one of the victims who had been shot and killed was the shooter. The mistake resulted in a delay of several hours in identifying Hasan as the alleged assailant."
The truth is probably something VERY different. For example:
'Two US privates John Smith and John Henry had been seeing a military psychiatrist major Hasan at Fort hood for a few weeks. Both privates said they were completely against the war of oppression in the middle east and would refuse to report for active duty if ordered to do so.
So the army put them both in therapy with Dr. Hasan. After more than five weeks of therapy both Christian privates were called to go to Afghanistan. Both privates warned they would not go and they would defend themselves with force if the army tried to force them to fight in a war they believed was morally wrong.
Yesterday fellow soldiers tried to surprize the two consciencious objectors but the privates were prepared and killed 12 soldiers who tried to force their way into the privates' barracks at Fort Hood.
During the melee their psychiatrist major Hasan, tried to talk the two privates into surrendering but he was shot twice.
Finally both privates were overcome and killed. Their psychiatrist major Hasan is in hospital recovering.'
Officials of the military have spun the story to make it seem the privates' doctor (who has a muslim sounding name) was the perpetraitor so that the public does not understand just how much resistance there is to the middle east war in the military rank and file.
The whole official Fort Hood cover story is 98% a lie - just like 9/11. Do you trust the main stream media for the truth in a story like this? Heck, for any story?
I do not.
Support the troops. End the war in the middle east and bring the troops home.
Now.
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and this was interesting as well...
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You know the story is starting to come apart when they start using the "magic bullet" explanation.
So, here is what I think happened.
I think that a GROUP of soldiers rebelled against further deployment. This is why we had early reports of multiple shooters, numbering up to 5.
But 5 soldiers shooting their officers signals mutiny in the ranks. It recalls the "fragging" of Vietnam days. It looks really bad to the citizenry. It could even spread to other soldiers and other bases where the military are stretched to the breaking point.
So, the DC boys look around and say, "Oh, we have this dead Muslim guy; we'll just blame it on him!" And presto-chango, five shooters pissed off with the wars becomes one conveniently dead Jordanian Palestinian Muslim with possible links to Al Qaeda.
Only turns out Major Hasan isn't dead. Which creates a whole new problem the instant he gets off that ventilator at the hospital.
Which is hardly likely to happen.
Meanwhile, the top of this article reports that Hasan was making the normal preparations for deployment. He emptied out his apartment, gave away things he didn't want to take with him, and told everyone he was deploying today. Does that sound like a man about to go postal?
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Thoughts?
Webster Tarpley states 'Hasan was a false flag patsy'
..."Multiple shooters"
See Jeff Rense's site 20091114.
Mouser
So is all of the original post just
someone's imagination with no facts??
"I find hypocrisy in the
"I find hypocrisy in the fact that faith has been at the heart of the discussion of the Fort Hood shootings when little has been said about the faith of a man who is accused of killing one person and injuring five at an office in Orlando, Fla., on Friday.” Rep. Andre Carson
Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Why don't we talk to some soldiers
and get the real story. Is any of the above fact? Or is it surmise?
Isn't it wiser to twist a
Isn't it wiser to twist a horrible event into getting people to support your current actions?
I'm not saying it is right, but I understand why the gov/media hasn't been telling us the truth about a number of things.
First they blame some guy with Islamic/Iranian ties for a massacre...then they take away five Islamically controlled buildings.
Perhaps, the real difference between neo-cons and us is that neo-cons just trust the government to deceive for benevolent reasons...and we don't.
I think that is what the truthers were trying to say before they were chased off this site.
Events (abbrev) Fort Hood False Flag 20091105
(these were all posted in real time using the web, twitter, text-message and MSM television by Allahpundit - kudos to him for this time-line)
There are two completely different threads occuring beginning at around 1:30 pm on Thursday the 5th of November 2009, the first is the real story where reports are marked in a bracket with small case (i, ii, iii etc) and the second is the 'official story' (from NBC, ABC, CBS, AP) where reports are marked with upper case (I, II, III etc). There much is overlapp and unintentional misinformation together with the upper case disinformation. Enjoy!
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posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit (on HOTAIR blog)
Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.
Stand by for updates.
...One gunman "neutralized," one "cornered," no word on the third. The shooting happened at the "sports dome," a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.
...Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.
...M-16s involved:At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring. (i)
...the men were dressed in fatigues.(ii)
...shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood...
...One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.
...two shooters are in custody now.
...the death toll is nine.
...four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.(iii)
...Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.
...Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still.
...US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.
...Good lord... new shooting is being heard on the base.(iv)
...Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.
...Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people? (v)
...Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong: According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas
...It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.
...Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.
...At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.
...Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst
Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.” (I)
...The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.(II)
...The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.
...The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.
...The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”
...ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.(II)
...In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.
...CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.(III)
... the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.(IV)
...Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.
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Question: Who shot the four SWAT police if Hasan was still lying on the transit hall floor with four bullits in him nearly dead?
Answer: The four SWAT police were shot by the fleeing real gunmen in arrny fatigues - the ones who killed 13 and wounded many others including the patsy Hasan.
Mouser
Fort Hood false flag cont'd
The following is a continuation of the real-time post by Allahpundit at Hotair blog from 20091105 which concerns the 'feds' unfortunate allegations that Major Hasan had been monitored by them for six months and had penned an article about suicide bombings.
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"20091105 Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts.
This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:
Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?"
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The above updates occurs on the day of the shooting at around 6:00 pm. The FBI has released information about the damning suicide bomb-grenade article by the DECEASED major Hasan.
BUT, BUT, BUT at around 9:00 pm on the day of the shooting Hasan is reported to have survived despite the four bullits pumped into him.
WHOOOOOOOPS!!!
The FBI is caught negatively profiling a man hours after he is believed dead - by he wasn't dead!
What will happen to the FBI when Hasan hears and reads about the lies the FBI has been spreading about him? And why would the FBI be spreading on the Associated Press (MSM) that Hasan write articles about suicides and bombs?
Question: Was Fort Hood a false flag?
Answer: It would appear so.
Mouser
Maj. Hasan likely NEVER wrote suicide granade-bomb article!
SOTT.net 20091112;
"But it's far more likely that Hasan was never invesitgated because he never wrote the web post; the obscure comment was fabricated and attributed to the patsy after he was chosen as the new face of Terror"
Mouser
Shooting suspect arrested at golf course
Has this already been posted?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/05/texas.fort.hood.witnesses/
"Obamney care," Nuff said.
That's interesting
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wtf!!!!
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Whew wee..
You've got all the disinfo cover artists on this thread.
Eric Hoffer, Joesmoe, Kentailer.. to name a few.
guess the Army dosen't want people to even think the obvious..
This was a coverup of mutiny from two soldier blamed on a Major who was muslim.. How quaint.
Get banned much?
Get banned much?
Well then Jive-0
what do you think happened.. I'm sure you think the MSM is telling the truth as always.
Well yeah. I'm so worked up about I just might make another
thread to call you out.
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Hey Pro-War Neo Con
glad you could join us. Go ahead.. it will be cute.
"it will be cute"
I thought yours certainly was: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/111990
BROTIP: I'm not actually going to make another thread. I'm mocking you.
Now you reply with neo-con ten times and I come up with fresh material until you go away?
And also- "glad you could join us"
Really? You mentioned me by name as already having posted in the thread in your first comment. Do you think at all when you type?
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You're so cute.
You want me to believe that a single- non combat, medical officer shot about forty people with a handgun in a military base. Hey, maybe next time they’ll see what they can get at a police station. You have to realize, a military base is not a fast food joint. Now they are saying this Major… this psychiatrist, had ties to 9/11 terrorists.
Mutiny coverup sounds much more likely. You Neo-Cons are so funny.
Oh and Pardon me Kentalier.. That was a false accusation.. but Joesmoe and Eric Hoffer still stands.
"You're so cute."
Are you hitting on me?
Moving along...
"You want me to believe that a single- non combat, medical officer shot about forty people with a handgun in a military base."
When I go to sleep at night I really don't care what you believe. You've never struck me as particularly intelligent or creative so it's doubtful you'll have an effect on my life at any point.
Regardless, your mind is already made up. You always want to find that coverup in order to prove that government is intrinsically evil. You have determined what you want the story to be; you picked up the mutiny echo and are now repeating it despite the fact that you really have no idea what happened.
Because of course soldiers using pistols in a mutiny makes much more sense than assault rifles. It's not like they would actually plan it out.
As for the non-combat stuff you spouted- this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant) scored like 20 kills in a couple of minutes with no military training whatsoever.
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You think Big Government
has your best interest in mind.. Dream on retard.
Mutiny is more plausible than on Man with on pistol because he was a Muslim extremist..
Just how stupid are you anyhow.
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"Dream on retard"
"Just how stupid are you anyhow."
"on Man with on pistol"
That was a good start- now wipe the spittle off your monitor and try to post a coherent response.
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http://www.edwardharle.com/news/244_fort_hood_recovery_of_th...
eyewitness interviews were prepped on their answers
I followed the links that erichoffer provided of all the eyewitnesses and victims. unfortunately, like all military damage control operations, it is very obvious that these interviewers were all prepped on their answers. yes, and even the mothers.
i didn't review all of them, but from the few links and video footage that i looked, it was plenty to see the trend. you'll notice all the witnesses insist that they thought it was a drill, a game, or some sort of other training exercise...
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Pfc. Justin Johnson: "i was on the phone with my moms."
abcnews correspondent: "oh really, she heard the bang bang?"
Pfc. Justin Johnson: "yes, she thought it was a joke too. she told me to turn down the video game
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"at first Capt. Dorrie Carskadon, a combat stress specialist from Wisconsin, thought the shooting was a drill." --abcnews.com correspondent
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"i was just sitting there reading my book, and a man stood up and started screaming a version of allah akban(sp?), im sure thats not how it was originally said, but, and then he started firing shots, i got down on the ground, and i still thought it was training, and i felt my head and i noticed there was blood on my hand, and i still thought it was training. --Kiera(sp?) Bono, Gatesville, TX.
interviewee: can't believe how calmly you are able to recount this.
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Roxanne Johnson (mother of Justin Johnson):
"i was at lunchtime, and i was just talking to him, and we were just joking around, and then i heard doosh doosh doosh, in my ear and i said what is that? and then i thought at first he was just kidding around maybe turning up the video game, then i thought maybe it was a training exercise so i start listening, then i hear all this screaming and crying and i said wow this sounds really life-like. so i could not wrap my brain around it. so i went to work early and i asked my friends to listen [on the cell phone] to see if it was true. and they listened [into her cell phone], and said 'roxanne, i think this is true, i don't think this is a training exercise.' then we started waiting and hearing, and then we heard it on the news."
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"All of a sudden, I heard somebody yelling something, and then I heard rounds going off, and we all hit the ground and covered our heads," said Amber Bahr. "I think the majority of us thought it was a drill. I personally thought it was a drill. The rounds stopped and I smelled sulfur and I heard screaming and I saw blood. And I realized it wasn't a drill."
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again, i have not gone over all the different interviews, 5 is enough for me to call BS. for those of you who remain skeptical, should read and watch the interviews and draw their own conclusion. i'd be willing to bet 100 bucks that the person in the next interview that they come across will profess that they thought it was a training exercise.
that is the prepped answer. and it's not the fact that they could have thought it was a drill, or a video game, or a training exercise -- it's the fact that they all went out of their way to over-elaborate that aspect of the account.
that theme also happens to be the defacto excuse for all operation screw ups. (see recent ny flyover scare, cnn's airport scare, et al)
I'm failing to see the connection between not thinking
it's real and being prepped.
in b4 snide "well you would fail" remark
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you think it's normal that all the eye-witnesses
you think it's normal that all the eye-witnesses specifically over-elaborated on the fact that they thought it was a training exercise?
ok, well, good luck parenting teenagers. they're going to walk right over you.
I must be missing something.
Oh that's right- you assumed that all the witnesses thought it was a training exercise. Really you only had five!
And "over-elaborated" is just a piece of your subjective bs. If it was the other way around you would saying they all "over-elaborated that they knew for sure what was going on". You're missing the part where them thinking it was a training exercise or not does not matter one way or another. It's simply their reaction to an out of the ordinary event.
As for this gem...
"good luck parenting teenagers. they're going to walk right over you."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaahaHAHAHAHAhAHah
ahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahaha... ho... he... he he.
Sorry.
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only five?
what do you mean, 'only five.' those were the only 5 that i looked at. that's 100%. give me an hour, and you'll have 'only ten.' better yet, why don't you try and provide an article or interview from an eye-witness who recounts the story that doesn't go out of their way to mention that they thought it was a drill. go ahead, i'll wait...
It's November 15th. I gave you 24.
And I don't think a witness retelling what they were thinking at the time is "going out of their way".
Here we go, Islam watch (sounds like a reputable source): http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_conte...
I found one! Now we can call eachother liars on an equal footing.
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Is 4 enough? That's 9. I bet you I can go to 15.
"Initially, I thought it was a training exercize" -- Retired Army Col Greg Schannep (NY Daily News)
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"I honestly thought it was a drill," --Amy Catchings. Nursing assistant (Corsicanadailysun.com)
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After a bullet grazed her head, Dorrie Carskadon told her brother she thought it was a drill. "It sure seemed awful real for a field exercise." (Jsonline.com and wisn.com)
She told ABC News, that at first, she thought it was a drill.
[oh sure, bullet grazes your head and your first reaction is wondering how good the drill is.]
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"Many people living on the base, including Emily Hurley, heard sirens when the post went on lockdown after the rampage Thursday but thought it was a drill." (mlive.com)
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Again. I am not saying that they couldn't have thought it wasn't a drill. I am saying the amount of attention that the "thought it was a training exercise" meme is being driven.
It's robotic.
Very good!
Now explain to me why initially thinking it was training is not a natural response.
After that, explain why people would not say what their natural response was at the time.
As for this little gem:
"oh sure, bullet grazes your head and your first reaction is wondering how good the drill is."
You're obviously an expert on how people react under sudden stressful situations.
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