My local Catholic church asked for everyone to call their reps...
Submitted by RicheyG on Sun, 11/08/2009 - 22:05
And vote YES on the Healthcare Reform bill.
it was a message from the Bishop.
(sigh).
Edit:
This was at the following parish: http://www.sij-parish.com/
They said that the Bishop supports the new Healthcare Reform. We must call our senators to remove insurance companies that participate in............... Abortion.
The implication is that everything else about the bill is good and that everyone should have health insurance.
then i found this:
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/Bishops_endorse_the_b...
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The email address for this church:
office@sij-parish.com
New Hampshire and Ecuador
Those who blindly obey a
Those who blindly obey a chain of command- particularly one that leads up to a mere mortal who presumes (blasphemously) to understand the will of god- have surrendered their critical faculty in favor of unmitigated, ignorant servitude. Despite what a lifetime of religious programming might have you believe, "faith" is not a quality to be admired; on the contrary, it is a substitute for truth, or the pursuit thereof, and when shared across a social organization- like church- it manifests all of the disastrous consequences of groupthink that have been the bane of social and scientific progress for centuries.
Isn't that a violation of 501c3 rules?
Anyone else remember the Pasadena church that was investigated by the IRS for an anti-war sermon?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=...
there you go ...
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... thank you!
U.S Bishops ignoring JPII's warning of the "Welfare State"
Although papal documents are infallible, pronouncements from the U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops have always been suspect. They seem to be picking and choosing Catholic doctrine that fit their pre-conceived political agenda:
http://www.usccb.org/healthcare/vaticanquotesonhealthcare.shtml
Yet, we have to look no further back than Pope John Paul II's 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus for a condemnation of the "Social Assistance State" and an advancement of the principle of "subsidiarity". Subsidiarity says the individual should help himself, and if not, his family, and if not his family, then his church and/or local community, and if not his church and/or local community, then his local government, and if not his local government, than his regional or larger government.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/d...
It is precisely due to the violation of the principle of subsidiarity that we find ourselves in the situation today of not being able to depend upon family and community and instead depending upon the federal government. Catholic hospitals used to be the ones who provided healthcare to the needy, but now the government does by way of Medicare, Social Security, various state programs, and the government-subsidized employer-based healthcare system. Catholic hospitals have been edged out by secular hospitals as a result (so much for the idea that government should neither advance nor hinder religion).
If there is to be any government healthcare at all -- in order to keep with the U.S. Constitution -- it should be at the state level, not the federal level.
Colorado, for example, already has a "public option". It's called Cover Colorado. Although not cheap (its premiums to subscribers are comparable to market rates), it eliminates the supposed main complaint of the current healthcare system, which is one cannot be denied for pre-existing conditions.
Pelosi-care constitutes an usurpation of what should be the purview of the states.
thank you...
good post.
It is the churches job
to take care of the sick, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, give the homeless a place to stay. If your "church" feels someone else should be doing there job then you should go somewhere else.
Mixing of religion and politics frighten me
This should not happen.
- Stavro
I have promised not to comment again there
but please see my thread "Why I am afraid of Christians."
Why does that not threaten their tax status?
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
you normally have some good
you normally have some good posts, but "Why" one was not one of them...
you might as well have said, "Why I am afraid of People", because the number of christians you need to genuinely fear is so minute as to make their membership in the said collective....irrelevant.
perhaps you could have just gone with, "Why I am afraid of Bad People"
I've posted my fair share of heated posts in response to many holier-than-thou types on this board. But I've also layed into atheists as well.
I think you're wasting your effort trying to keep a crusade going against the "bad christians".
It's pointless. Now if you have a specific person to critique then by all means.
Anyway, these "atheists will be the end of us all" threads or likewise the "christians will be the end of us all" threads are just plain stupid.
It's like when I read some comments on youtube, "Islam is evil", I can't help but think it's some idiot, michael savage wannabe, sonofagun who can't help himself.
That's how you come across. Like the guy posting "islam is evil" crap.
Some
relevant prophecies by Catholic saints: "When the Church and the world are one those days are upon you." "The Church shall be in eclipse." "Satan shall enter the highest levels of the Church." The fault lies with that bishop. A Fulton Sheen would be helpful about now.
I'm ashamed of some of these responses
As a libertarian, all people to me are individuals. Blasting entire groups of people because of the actions of individuals is folly. It's like saying all congressmembers should be voted out of office (Dr. Paul?) or are racist because they have racist campaign supporters (Dr. Paul?).
Please don't live your life hating people you don't even know.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
bingo.
bingo.
Time for a new church?
Hmmm. All organized religion is suspect. This just confirms it.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
The Church
wants the Government to do their work????
That is one of many
reasons why I have removed my name from the parish rolls and stopped giving any financial support to them.
that
is why I have left organized religion.
Has this Bishop ever sent out a statement about
Opposing illegal occupations of sovereign nations and the killings of MILLIONS of innocent civilians??? HAS HE???
I think not... Damn him and all other religious leaders that have a chance to speak out to STOP the KILLING and yet remain silent! Damn them all to HELL!! They have power over so many and THIS is how they choose to use it.?..to advance the ruling elite for more power and control!? Now you see why so many are upset with the role of most religious leaders today!
*****
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
The Roman Church
has zero tolerance for other religions or creeds so they will not say a word about the occupations we have all over the world. They would have been extinct like T REX if they were not granted the power forcefully convert the pagans.
Don get pissed folks I didn't write the history books, I just read them.
Hijole.
Repeat after me....baa baa baaaaa....
"There is no news. There is only the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public." - Mr. Universe, Serenity
thesomnambulantpublic.blogspot.com
"There is no news. There is only the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public." - Mr. Universe, Serenity
thesomnambulantpublic.blogspot.com
For news and views you can't
11/8/09
"Dear Member of Congress:
On behalf of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), we are writing to express our
disappointment that progress has not been made on the three priority criteria for health care reform that we have
conveyed previously to Congress. In fact, the Senate Finance Committee rejected a conscience rights amendment
accepted earlier by the House Energy and Commerce Committee. If final legislation does not meet our principles,
we will have no choice but to oppose the bill...Exclude mandated coverage for abortion, and incorporate longstanding policies against abortion funding
and in favor of conscience rights. No one should be required to pay for or participate in abortion. It is
essential that the legislation clearly apply to this new program longstanding and widely supported federal
restrictions on abortion funding and mandates, and protections for rights of conscience. No current bill
meets this test..."
http://www.usccb.org/healthcare/
Which one
Who was the officiant?
Fr. Luczak/Deacon Rod
Fr. Janas/Deacon Paul
Fr. Kennedy/Deacon Paul
Fr McGlynn/Deacon Rod
Fr. Kalas/Deacon
tax exempt?
If they were tax-exempt (your donations to the church were deductible from your taxes) they violated the rules. File a complaint and they will lose their tax-exempt status.
This describes how to file a complaint. Change the church name. http://lds501c3.wordpress.com/
http://FlipFlopRomney.blogspot.com
Tax
I'm a Protestant and of course I disagree with unconstitutional national health care, but churches are not businesses. Why do you want the government to be taxing them? Also, I don't think you understand the tax law very well as it relates to churches; although there are some limitations, churches are not prohibited from speaking out on issues. See http://www.lc.org/media/9980/attachments/political_legislati... and http://www.lc.org/media/9980/attachments/pastors_churches_an...
From the IRS website
You are right when you say, "Also, I don't think you understand the tax law very well as it relates to churches;"
Let's see what the IRS says. From the IRS website http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=96099,...
In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.
http://FlipFlopRomney.blogspot.com
Not that 501(c)3 is in any way good for the church
But, please define "substantial part" for me. Are there any guidelines or rules of thumb enumerated in prior rulings on the matter? If not, unless the church is "substantially" involved in political activity, or actively participating in elections, they are free to serve mammon until the last judgment. All the while advocating the expansion of the state. Do you really think that the IRS would take 501(c)3 from an organization which is encouraging the expansion of the powers of the IRS?
republic.
great idea
Great idea but we need to know where this took place.
Are you serious?
Do you mind telling me where you are? I want to call the Bishop!
check my post.. i've added
check my post.. i've added the info.
The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.
- Calvin Coolidge
I would like to call him
I would like to call him myself. This may be duplicate comment. My previous comment stuck in the spam filter.