Is it a crime to be Amish?
Submitted by wolfe on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 21:59
It occurred to me that the new healthcare bill will criminalize being Amish. I have always kinda looked at the Amish community as a symbol of freedom in a way. If they were free to practice and live to themselves peacefully, then surely it was legal and possible for any other group of like minded individuals.
However, considering the criminal penalties associated with the new healthcare bill, will they now be considered criminals for not enrolling in a state mandated and approved policy?
Just a thought.
EDIT:
Found this wealth of information on the Amish:
http://amishamerica.typepad.com/amish_america/amish_and_the_...
On the right, under categories, just about any question that you may have is answered about them.
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I understand that the Amish
I understand that the Amish are exempt from social security - perhaps they will be exempted from this as well.
this is a very good point i
this is a very good point i hadn't thought of and have thus shared with some friends who will tell more ppl and so on. I'd like to see a powerful media outlet address this so we have the bankers take on record.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."- JFK
Amish getting manure end of the stick from government.
There are some bad things going on in the north, in the rural areas of Michigan.
Linda Goldthorpe was a Ron Paul Republican and ran for Congress in 2008 in First District of the Great State of Michigan.
Linda appeared in internet videos of a couple of meetings where the plight of the Amish were discussed. I don't recall the issues, except that the Constitution was not protecting them from the invasions of the government. They left Europe because of persecution, will we chase them out also?
They do not vote by choice and do not hold office yet they first arrived in the colonies before the American Revolution. If the Constitution were used as a limit on government power and especially individual protection then the Amish would not be bothered. It should be exactly so with anyone who does not volunteer their health, wealth or offspring.
All for freedom? Freedom for all!
Free includes debt-free!
Have a look at this website.
http://usa-the-republic.com/index.html
Bookmark it, because it's a long read.
Another snippet...
This snippet is claiming that ABA is a branch of the NLGCP and proof located in said code.
The American Bar Association is a branch of a national organization titled; “The National Lawyers Guild Communist Party” and can be found recorded in the United States Code at: [28 U. S. C. 3002, section 15a].
But that section is really a Definitions section that says this...
(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
Lots of fun to be had with that definition but is shows that the above from the Matrix document is either an error or misrepresentation.
Also of note, it seems that the ABA preexisted the National Lawyers Guild by many many years.
(Nothing in this comment should be construed as defending the ABA or Lawyering profession in general) :)
BTW check the referenced USC here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/3002.html or other sources.
Did some read the constitution
matrix stuff on this website? I read the first half and the end, it's pretty scary stuff, I don't know what I should think about those "conspiracies", the arguments they give seem pretty logical to me.
"Doing nothing is almost always an option and is very often the best option." Daniel Hannan
Napolitano: "We need Ron Paul now!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k3JNRTVI0Q
Hehe, I see this working...
A snippet from that Matrix document.....
Under our corporate governments, no Sovereign can lawfully be tried or convicted of any statutory crime! I recently discovered how to avoid prosecution under the Trust, when a Sovereign is taken before a corporate prosecuting Attorney or a Judge:
First: “the Sovereign must inquire if we are on the record, and if not, insist upon it! Say nothing, sign nothing and answer no questions until you are convinced that the proceedings are being recorded!”
Secondly: all a Sovereign has to say for the record is: “I am a beneficiary of the Trust, and I am appointing you as my Trustee!”
Thirdly: the Sovereign then directs his Trustee to do his bidding! “As my Trustee, I want you to discharge this matter I am accused of and eliminate the record!”
Fourthly: if the Sovereign suffered any damages as a result of his arrest, he can direct that the Trust compensate him from the proceeds of the Court by saying; “I wish to be compensated for [X] dollars, in redemption.”
roflmao...
When I am done, can I click my heels together and say "I want to go home." and be whisked away back home as well?... :)
Good find....
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http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
Yeah, even if this stuff
Yeah, even if this stuff were true the folks that the local courthouse would be ignorant of it anyways.
claims are easy to make...
and may even sound logical when the person making a claim has no respect for facts or truth or reason.
Verify all informational claims to insure that the conclusions are potentially valid. It's funny, because I will find myself going, "hmmm, that sounds reasonable" to some conspiracy theory, and 9 out of 10 times, when I start to validate the info, it takes no more than a minute or two to realize that the "info" was usually cut from whole cloth, a flat out lie, and they just knew no one would bother to follow up.
Also be careful that the facts are actually relevant to the conclusion. It also happens that true facts are sited as a "proof" but even casual observation indicates that the "proof" is disconnected from the conclusion and the two actually have no relevance to one another.
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The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
So did you read it?
Which "facts" or "claims" can you dispute? I'm just curious, I don't believe anything anymore. ^^
"Doing nothing is almost always an option and is very often the best option." Daniel Hannan
Napolitano: "We need Ron Paul now!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k3JNRTVI0Q
I read three or four pages
I read three or four pages of it before it showed itself to be poorly written at best and deceitful at worst. I then stopped as further reading was unlikely to be gainful.
I read parts...
However, my comment was not directed at anything on the site or that site in particular. It was merely advise when reading, listening to claims.
I do take issue with several things stated on that website, some I do not, some I don't know anything about. All three of those are based on information I have verified or found to be false or have not looked into it, respectively, in the past.
But once again, my point was simply to verify... People are entirely too trusting and when they stop believing the government nonsense, they seem to fall into the trap of believing all other nonsense. So good for you on not believing anything anymore...
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The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
Curiously tintinabulating! Good find.
~~~~~book marked.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
They usually get by
alot of government BS by religious exemption. Don't we have a document that should make us exempt also? You know the constitution?We talk about ways around all this stuff when we already have one if we only use and enforce it. Trick is how, when, and to what extreme do we go to do it?
Yes, we are disciples of Ron Paul Yoder! Exempt.
How cool would that be?
We are exempt by the Constitution
The Constitution allows voluntary turning over of one's health, wealth and offspring. Only in criminal cases with due process of the law can liberty be restricted. That's the theory.
How cool is that! Pretty cool it we could get it working.
All for freedom? Freedom for all!
Free includes debt-free!
Amen
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www.vaclib.org
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www.vaclib.org
good question
they pay taxes, they have social security numbers and they go to doctors but only pay cash.
I don't think insurance is in the cards for them
I am assuming they will get off the hook on this by saying health insurance is against their faith. I know the IRS grants certain provisions specifically for them. I don't have it at the tip of my finger, but they do not have to fill out draft cards.
actually, they dont pay
actually, they dont pay taxes, have social security numbers, or go to doctors, WHICH is why they dont fill out draft cards.
Yes, some have been duped into getting these things, but VERY RARE.
The Amish need to make a public big media stand!
Because if they don't go along with this, they could be held up to the same ridiculous legal pelosi hogwash that the rest of us will be if this stupid measure passes the senate. It is time to contact the senate!
betty
Me and my wife have actually discussed becoming Amish
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....but I don't do beards well, and they will probably get machine-gunned like helpless sheep when things get really bad.
They don't own guns (if I'm not mistaken) - so I fear for their communities once the spill-over from the cities gets bad; marauders looking for food and young ladies, etc.
But I agree, the Amish didn't bite the bait of corporatism, fossil fuels, industrialism, reliance-on-government, etc.
They are MOSTLY self-sufficient and don't partake in the Rockefeller/petro-chemical pharmaceutical religion - INCLUDING vaccination.
So much for that ridiculous theory of so-called "herd-immunity".
I envy the Amish so much right now.
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www.vaclib.org
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www.vaclib.org
room and board
I wonder if an Amish community, or a family, would provide room and board to an armed outsider who could provide security and deterrence?
Agenda 21, big pharma are simply untolerable.
INSANITY
Date: 1590
1 : a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia)
2 : such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility
3 a : extreme folly or unreasonableness b : something utterly foolish or unreasonable
"MENTAL CAPACITY REQUIRED BY LAW" ????
INSANITY IS INCREASES AS THE MORE DISTANT FROM NATURE A PERSON BECOMES.
INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY IS OUR REALIZED NATURE.
“Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
http://www.foodincmovie.com/
http://www.dirtthemovie.org/
http://endoftheline.com
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
Not Yet.
But it will be eventually.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
No.
They have a separate deal with the government. Same as most Tribes do.
Otherwise they'd all be in jail for not vaccinating or going to public schools.
They'll be fine... :)
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
I hope you're right. But the rest of us
who choose natural health maintenance may have a tough ride avoiding the mandates. There are so many other communities this would impact. Much of the organic and natural food communities, homeschoolers, numerous religious and ethnic groups that follow traditional practices, Ayurvedic, etc.
I use mostly traditional chinese medicine myself...
Try getting that covered under a government approved plan... And 15k is a lot more than the 1-2K dollars a year it currently costs me in medical expenses.
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The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
The Indians have a long standing treaty as you know...
So are you certain about the arrangement? It seems to me the government wouldn't have given up something like control over them without something in exchange. But you are right about them violating many laws already.
And if so, how do we get a deal like that?.... :)
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The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
only in America
The great police state.I feel for those people and all others who just want to be left alone.
chinkadaro