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This from President Obama on the Individual Mandate and penalties

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/interview-wi...

“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.” -POTUS Obama

Some take aways....
1) Comparing Health Insurance to Car Insurance is a good comparison; however, he failed to make the comparison when he is discussing a public option. If there is a public option for Health Care Insurance, there should be a public option for Auto Insurance too, just to keep it "fair"

2) "there's nothing wrong with a penalty" - Thank you Karl Marx

3) So if tax payers are paying numerous taxes right now to offset the lack of health care, does that mean that this tax will magically go away and American Families will get that tax cut???? Doubtfully.... more than likely it will just go to fund some other form of big government sprawl

4) To say that a penalty that infringes on one's liberty is just simply because it's economical is where dictatorships and empires get into trouble. Government should have never gotten into the business of subsidizing health care, and now that it is in the business, it has to find a way to make revenue though taxing the people and stealing their liberties.

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Mandatory car insurance is wrong too!

I don't suggest you go without it but mandatory car insurance is almost as wrong as mandatory health insurance. Same as mandatory seat belt laws. Take responsibility for your own decisions. If you wreck and injure someone then pay up, all you have and payments for life if that is what it takes. Also, if you are worried about some uninsured moron then you should reduce the risk by covering yourself.

Mandatory anything is a scam to suck as much money from you as possible and dump it on the politically connected.

Those who are pro-choice...

do not want the government telling a woman what to do with her own body. Most of the people pushing along for this mandate appear to be pro-choice. Why is it then that they feel it is okay now to insist that everybody insure their body! Not very pro-choice now, are they!

"Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies."

"Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies."

Too bad so few are...

Pro-Liberty.

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Assert Your Authority

One more question:

Would you rather complain about Obama's healthcare bill or support Ron Paul's healthcare bill?

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Unfortunately,

I have my answer.

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. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

I have a question - well, actually 2 or 3 questions:

1. Why complain about Obama's healthcare plan when Ron Paul has one floating around out there somewhere that NO ONE is talking about?
2. What happened to the thread about Ron Paul's healthcare plan that I kept trying to keep bumped for 3 DAYS????
When I looked for it, all I could find was this one -
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/114078
which proves my point in question #1, but still...
where did it go????
Granger, Belle? You both commented on it, so I know I'm not hallucinating it - do either of you know what happened to that thread? mnlifestyles, it was YOUR thread, do you know where it went? Anybody? Talk about a CONSPIRACY!!!

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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

There's a mole among the mods

I saw the thread and have wondered the same thing. Something is very wrong around here.

Thank you, Mike!

You're a good man - I don't care what anybody says! Lol! Now, that there's funny!

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It is good and proper to respect the U.S. flag, perpetuated with the blood of American heroes. It is a fatal mistake not to recognize those who wrap themselves in the same flag to cover up their crimes against the American people.
~ Sherman H. Skolnick

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

that was his appeal?

"...you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”

oh, you know how it is, you know?

right, and if barack is the one mandating involuntary subsidizing against it in the first place, then by his own logic, then he should be the docked a penalty,

... you know, you know?

Absolute malarkey

There is absolutely no comparison. With automobiles, you have freedom of choice. If you choose not to own and drive a car, you do not need to purchase auto insurance - no penalty involved.

Of course the premise is flawed because...

he is not comparing apples to apples. You do not have to drive. Period. But if you are alive, then you have to live. Your living (the life force you have) was not a considered decision by you, but driving is. This is a poor relfection on Obama's ability to consider, use and enact deductive logic. It is indeed reflects his lack of critical thinking.

Assert Your Authority

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Yes. Obama uses this sort

Yes. Obama uses this sort of reasoning a lot. It's like when he said he can no more disown Rev Wright than he can his own "white" grandmother. Bu!!S#!t. He willingly chose Rev Wright, where his grandmother was a blood relative. But in Obama's mind, it all makes perfect sense.

Why auto insurance is mandatory

Auto insurance, also called liability insurance, is to protect me from you.

It is not mandatory to carry coverage that repairs your car if it gets damaged from your negligence. It is not mandatory to carry coverage that pays your hospital bills resulting from your negligence.

It is mandatory you carry coverage to repair my car or pay my medical bills resulting from your negligence.

And actually, that is not entirely true. Some states allow people to put money in escrow, or some similar instrument, as an alternative to carrying insurance.

To compare auto insurance to health insurance, and equate them as having equal reasons for mandating them, is the very definition of apples to oranges comparisons .

Bull$#%^

The comparison between Auto insurance and Health insurance is apples and oranges.

I have the choice not to own a car or vehicle of any sort. Thus, I am under no threat of penalty from the state.

There is risk when you drive a vehicle, hence the need for insurance. Do I believe that penalties should be enforced on people who do not have auto insurance? No. I pay for full coverage insurance to mitigate the risk of uninsured drives.

As a healthy, self employed person, I'm guessing I will be tossed into prison for not complying with the national insurance mandate.

The average cost to house an inmate in a fed prison is $259.00 per day. With 5 year penalty this equals 5 x 365 x 259 = $472,675.00.
Ohhh the irony, the tax payers will have to foot the 500k bill and I'll still get free health insurance in the pokey. Mad yet?

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Don't forget

You have the choice of buying the most minimal plan with car insurance. There will be other penalites wiht this Health care Bill. Like being forced to buy drug coverage even though you take none, forced vaccinations, forced medications like if you get a blood test and have high cholestrol and refuse to take the statins etc. This is a very slippery slope.

Obama loves "crushing" the competition.

He probably never had a paper route as a teen, nor mowed a lawn.
But he probably was the polite young man at the garden parties of the socialist.

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Ha ha!

The Obamination spews out an implication that a forced health care tax to subsidize others' health care is not a "subsidy", but free market choice, somehow "is" a subsidy.

They don't get any worse.
This guy needs to get out.

He makes a good argument

for canceling your car insurance

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.