*UPDATE Blackwater's Christian Crusade hurts all Christians :)
*New website with interesting info: http://www.theocracywatch.org/
There is a new Blackwater thread that reveals new evidence of Evangelical Christian, Erik Prince's agenda in The Middle East. He wants to kill Muslims for God. He owns the largest private military in the world. He has been awarded billions of dollars worth of US government contracts. We are witnessing a CRUSADE. There are very powerful Christians that really believe these wars need to happen. How do we neutralize this in our country? How can we reach out to our Christian communities and work to prevent them from supporting this crusade? If these wars are not stopped, soon. We will never have a secular, limited government.
** It disturbs me that Dobson from Focus on the Family, is a family friend of the Prince's. The organization was funded by Erik's father. Blackwater is also used as security at Family Research Council events. Another organization funded by the Prince's. Very, very disturbing.
Video shares the news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgE7nZsFpDk&feature=player_em...
New NPR article: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516
New article,
We need to guard against these people:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516
Is Congress so out to lunch they cannot get a grip?
Come to think of it when was the last time was there a Congressional invenstigation into anything? These lapdogs need to be thrown out now
Makes me sick..
Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of...
an internet forum (Troll Techniques).
I bring this old post to everybody's attention again because I really believe this is what is going on here with all the recent redundant "Christian" threads. I've decided not to play into this particular technique anymore. If you recognize this technique, it's easy to incapacitate. This info stuck with me:
"Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator."
(Originally posted by JSHowell, reposted by DocHolladay re: "Troll Techniques")
The entire thread:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/60831
Here
comes Cpt. Paranoid. My God man give it a rest. Insanity. There is a Christian Crusade in the Middle East. The largest private army in the WORLD is owned by evangelical christian Erik Prince. He has hired men and they are on a crusade. His family helped create and fund The Family Research Council and Focus on the Family. We have a problem here Christians. Don't run away. It's right here in front of us. People are being killed. Courage, my friends, courage. We can confront this. Christians can take this asshole and the leaders of these organizations head on. First, have the courage to acknowledge it is happening. If we don't stop this crusade, Christianity is DEAD. This Crusade can't be ignored. Too many have died already. Yes, it's time. Rise up Christians.
Fedor: Graduate with a B.S. ( bull$hit degree)
in: Forum sliding ,diversion and circular arguments.
Minor degree in How to be a Determined 'Floater' ~ a small turd full of air that refuses to be flushed.
Community College courses: How to be rude,divisive and alienate people.
You have posted or used no less than 4 topics in the last three weeks mostly having to do with neocons, christians, GOP all being pro war ...but you are a hypocrite, a liar and a rude, immature , ignorant person because for all your misdirection and claims to be so passionate about the wars you have not even once put your input or energy on this:
Emergency End US Wars Rally~ Dec.12, Washington DC
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/115918
Keep spewing your disingenuous s$it Fedor - and to the others that keep stepping in it..I thought better of you... but I have been mistaken.To you I have a saying from my Swedish Grammy..she used to say it in Swedish but the English is: "The more you stir the s$it...the more it stinks"
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Divisiveness
Hi Liberty_Belle,
As you know, in another thread that you invited me to the discussion, I tried to ask simple questions of Fedor in his quest for a new 3rd party and anti-Ron Paul rants. If I was a moderator I would have warned him right from the get go to stick to the topic rather than slander the one asking the questions.
I pointed this out to dailypaul by asking questions as to whether anyone else could see what he was doing. No one replied but you.
You came to my rescue and pointed out his child like tactics in avoiding answering my questions, but rather turning the thread towards me. Then he went and started a new thread because he knew he had met his challenge (the Celente one).
I have avoided posting on that Celente thread and just wanted to see how the dailypaul folks addressed this. The results were mixed, but now that I see Fedor has continued his tactics of divisiveness here and elsewhere, I question the tolerance of such.
How hard is it for people to have a discussion who truly have an agenda of Freedom and are in the best interest of all? To be divisiveness goes against all those who are liberty minded.
I commend you for pointing out Fedor's behavior and until that cat actually answers my questions from the other thread, he's just someone who wants to divide us all rather than work towards solutions. I can spot people like that miles away, that's why I challenged him. And he never answered which should be quite telling to all... Rather tiresome speaking to people like that so I chose not to as I am writing a book to make a difference for all of us as yes, our/my time is valuable and also short.
Great job in keeping the flame of liberty alive!
Have a Great Thanksgiving!
Doug Digger Eberhardt
My Christian/Political Blog:
We the Serfs! Blog
You nailed him
you have not even once put your input or energy on this:
Emergency End US Wars Rally~ Dec.12, Washington DC
He's caught red-handed.
P.S. sorry about your penis
...but get over it already!! Dude, get a big truck or something!
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
:-o LB!!!
:-)
Hysterical
I don't know how trolling is allowed here, but this guy is not the DP's Shrek.
fedor needs to get removed, quick.
I agree with Lao tzua, another forum slide post
Your posts and certain others as of late have been divisive, distractions, resource burns, forum slides and in a sense spam. I've been meaning to post the same forum dilution warning that lao did but haven't wanted to bump these threads. Here's my one bump.
Sure, your point may be valid, some bad people do bad things in the name of religion, but I don't understand the multiple posts? How many times do you need to make your point. I doubt many here are going to do anything extra about it. It's not very actionable nor is it as high a priority. If you or anyone else want to pursue it, knock yourselves out. I wouldn't even mind an update about your progress if you accomplished anything. But I do mind the persistent spam of multiple related threads clogging up the active forum list. I think that is pretty disrespectful.
and I think
you boys do this as a form of censorship. You label a topic that makes you uncomfortable, spam, a secret technique used by secret NWO agents, divisive, etc, etc. It is a topic that some folks have an emotional reaction to. This topic requires honesty and courage to discuss. The fact remains. There ARE Christian mercenaries killing Muslims in the Middle East for Jesus. WE ARE paying for it and the problem is far greater than Erik Prince. This is a problem for all Christians.
Censorship:I am not sure that is their intent
Having plodded through this thread from top to bottom. There was a lot of resource burn, misdirection, false accusations, ad hominem attacks etc cluttering the important discussions needed or burying the important points made.
The free wheeling nature of this site makes it a free market for ideas. If any try to bury a topic their involvement only serves to keep it on top of the pile. While leaving their own words as testimony of their efforts.
I have been doing technical newsgroups (threaded forums) for nearly ten years. Trolls are intent an sowing discord for pleasure. They have no agenda beyond getting someones goat.
But since entering the political arena starting with Dr. Paul's Presidential campaign I have noticed troll-like characters who seem to have an agenda and may even get a paycheck. They use the same methodology as trolls such as fallacious arguments meant to detract, distract and even goad posters into making statements that can be used against them when taken out of context.
But even being careful and reporting the truth does not protect one's freedom of speech against the maledictions of a brainwashed crowd. Where they on the verge of yelling crucify him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAWMgYyAtHU
All for freedom? Freedom for all!
Free includes debt-free!
I agree
I am simply revealing a situation that is really happening. I am not attacking all Christians, etc. Remove me from the picture and there is STILL a very dangerous and important situation all Christians need to be concerned about. Revealing this situation only causes division if some individuals support the wars in the Middle East for religious reasons or don't understand I didn't make this up. To reject this situation as a problem for all Christians is a personal choice and should not cause one to accuse me of trying to divide the Liberty movement. Crusades and Liberty do not go together. If there is a divide. It was here long before I showed up.
You know your fan club are rabid hounds?
But their barking bumps.
All for freedom? Freedom for all!
Free includes debt-free!
American Fascists
Former NYT journalist writes his report.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8117853208483879448#
All for freedom? Freedom for all! (Even for psy operatives)
Free includes debt-free!
Very
interesting.
The problem lies in the deception
that the government perpetrated to make war in the Middle East, and the people, including Christians, lacked discernment to see thru the deception.
Many Christians have been deceived, and this is nothing new.
My feeling is that outing the false 9/11 story and the lies behind the push for war by the neocons is the answer.
That knowledge will break the spell, and put the righteous anger where it belongs. On the people who perpetrated the deception.
very interesting
observations.
http://www.lostnation.tv/html/jesus_show.html
Very interesting Communist website
that you seem to like.
That article is a sick joke, by a very sick writer.
No it's not.
deal with it. You what's sad? That article was clearly pro liberty. Yes, some Christians scare the crap out of me.
There was nothing about liberty in that entire article.
It was a delusional rant by a scumbag, who imagines the non-existing possibility that somehow a theocracy will take place if any Christians still remain alive.
Of course, no theocracy has EVER been even considered in the US, and the Constitution clearly prevents it.
I think maybe that writer is sort of like you.
Delusional.
Oh BigT, here is a couple examples. Secular Government :)
The mercenaries were on duty to keep an eye out for guys like the Rev. Barry Lynn, the president of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, who stopped by as a registered attendee to check things out. I know this because the Christian sitting next to me said to his wife, “That idiot Barry Lynn is here, but the Blackwater guys have him.” When we returned from lunch, there was “An Open Letter from Tony Perkins to Barry Lynn,” on our seats, thanking him for coming, and encouraging him to change his evil ways. Barry had wisely beat feet by then.
but still, they believe they must do better. In fact, they won’t be happy until they have an unopposed majority in every branch of government, at every level, from Podunk to DC. Because, as Gary Bauer, a former FRC president and 2000 US presidential candidate put it: “We believe in ordered liberty under God.”
To enforce ordered Liberty under God, one-party rule is necessary. Just as ordered liberty under Marxism-Leninism, ordered Liberty under Nazism, ordered liberty under Puritanism, and ordered liberty under Islamic Sharia do.
The last paragraph sums it all up.
Rantings from a paranoid delusional who thinks there could ever possibly be a theocracy in this country.
It's not possible.
Anybody who thinks it is, is out of his mind.
for you BigT
http://www.theocracywatch.org/
tell that to
The Family Research Council, big boy.
Denial
Sucks.
I spent alot of time with you
attempting to speak with courtesy and clarity, and I was willing to listen, and make attempts to see your points, and make recommendations to help people see the deceptions that the gov't had perpetrated on them.
Even up to just a few minutes ago.
That was clearly a waste of time.
I'm done with that now, because you have outed yourself as just another religio-phobic and hater.
From here on in, you'll only get opposition from me.
You've lost it dude.
and
you avoided commenting on the liberty information in the article, dude. Disappointing. Come and get me big, boy :) Forget about the real mercenaries killing Muslims for Jesus. It's time to get ole Fedor, Yee Haw!. He bashing Christians. Saying all kinds of mean things. He lucky Erik ain't here. He kicked his ass. Erik was a navy seal. Yup.
Oh, you mean that mercenary group run by a Zionist Christian,
who's hired by a demonstrably non-Christian "commander in chief", who is having his strings pulled by a country that is run by Zionist Jews.
Is that what you mean?
Because that's what it is.
Because Obama didn't get the bulk of the "Christian vote", he's not "asking the Christians for their permission", and is hiring who he wants to hire to run his war, and he's using the deception created by 9/11 to make them support the idea.
Oh, you want me to comment on the "liberty part"?
There was no "liberty part"
What there is, are the ravings of a delusional lunatic.
It's against the Constitution to institute a theocracy in this country, and it can NEVER happen because of that, and that the people will not stand for it.
The real truth is that it's MUCH more likely that this gov't would commit genocide against Christians, before they'd have the slightest inclination trying to make a theocracy for the religion that the whole gov't hates.
This gov't has spent at least 40 years trying to marginalize Christians, and push them as far out of society as they can possibly push them.
Here's what I think,
I think you have no idea what the real problems are.
You are so far off-base with your "theories" based on irrational fear of Christians, that you can't even see reality.
And I think that you KNOW that Christians have been so thoroughly marginalized in this country, and so deceived and controlled, that you smell blood, and want to finish them off totally.