Fluoride debate heats up in Athens, Ohio
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Folks, these battles are taking place all over the nation. You wouldn't even know it unless you do a news search for this topic.
Out of Ohio:
Once again, fluoride issue gnashing teeth in Athens
Thursday, 22 October 2009 09:29
The fluoride debate is once again popping up in the city of Athens, this time after at-large City Council member Elahu Gosney organized a forum on the subject last week.
Athens has been adding fluoride to its drinking water since 2002, according to Gosney, who serves as chair of City Council’s environmental committee. The state of Ohio passed a law in 1970 requiring fluoridation of the public water supplies, exempting only cities that passed a referendum declining to fluoridate. Athens was one of those cities. Since then, there have been numerous efforts to fluoridate Athens’ drinking supply.
A city law cleared the way in 1997 to add fluoride compounds to the water supply, but this wasn’t accomplished until 2002. Most of the rural water suppliers in the area, including Le-Ax Water District, fluoridate their water.
Gosney said he invited both Paul Connett, an emeritus professor of chemistry and executive director of the Fluoride Action Network and an official from the Ohio Department of Health to debate the issue at the forum. Gosney said he was told by the ODH that they didn’t participate in debates on fluoride.
“As the science advances and provides new evidence, I believe it is good public policy to periodically review public-health issues that impact our community,” Gosney said of his decision to hold the forum. “This was an initial event aimed at educating Athens residents about the topic.”
Gosney said he was disappointed that organizers could not find anyone willing to present the pro-fluoridation view in an open, public forum.
In an interview prior to the forum, Connett laid out some of his concerns about fluoride. He said that the major promoters of fluoridation – the American Dental Association and the federal Centers for Disease Control – now both concede that the major benefits of fluoride are topical as opposed to systemic. This means that fluoride is effective when applied to the teeth on the outside, and not when ingested, he said. (Most commercially available toothpastes contain fluoride.)
“Now that they’ve conceded that the major benefits are topical, in the context that fluoridated toothpaste is universally available, there should be no reason to put it in the water,” Connett said.
Connett also cited risks, saying that 23 studies have now shown that moderate to high dosages of fluoride lowers IQ in children. Other risks he cited include problems with brain function, the thyroid and skeletal systems, and the fact that it can cause kidney damage and lower fertility.
“They argue, of course, that these are high dosages, but they’re not,” Connett said. “There’s no way of ignoring the fact that there’s no margin of safety. You can’t control the dose. You can’t control who’s getting it. And you are forcing it on people who don’t want it.”
He said that other than fluoridation, the public water supply has never before been used to deliver medicine.
“You are depriving the individual of the right to informed consent to medication,” Connett said. “Your council is doing to the whole of Athens what an individual doctor could not to do an individual patient.”
Colleen Wulf, preventive services coordinator with the Bureau of Oral Health Services of the ODH, countered some of Connett’s claims in a telephone interview.
“ODH does endorse fluoridation,” Wulf said. “Our director has a policy statement that it is the single most effective thing that a community can do to improve the oral health of its citizens.”
Wulf said fluoridation is safe, works and is effective, but sees opposition bubble up occasionally because it’s the only public-health measure that is subjected to a vote.
“In the ’50s it was a Communist plot. And then in the ’70s it caused cancer. And then in the ’90s it was linked with AIDS. They kind of take whatever the issue of the day is,” Wulf said. “Now you hear about environmental impacts, but there is no true scientific controversy.”
People have grown up for generations, Wulf said, with fluoride naturally in the water at a variety of levels.
“We know that at 10 parts per million, it causes staining,” Wulf said. “But at one part per million, it’s going to reduce tooth decay and not cause staining of the teeth.”
In response to fluoride being effective topically and not systemically, Wulf agreed that the main action is topical, but said it’s fine to get fluoride topically in the water as well as in toothpaste.
As far as an effect on IQ in children, Wulf said that she has not seen anything in the refereed scientific journals that have made such a link to fluoridation of water.
With regard to Connett’s argument that fluoridation is a forced medication, Wulf compared it to seatbelt and helmet laws, saying that no court of last resort has ever ruled against bettering the public health.
Gosney said that Connett raised some important questions, both about the effectiveness of fluoridation and the possibility for adverse health effects.
“I will compile a list of relevant questions and send them on to the Ohio Department of Health, who I hope can follow through on an assurance that they can answer those questions with sound, scientific and documented responses,” Gosney said.
More information from the Fluoride Action Network can be found at www.fluoridealert.org
The American Dental Association has a section of their Web site devoted to community water fluoridation at http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/index.asp
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QUEENSLAND Premier Anna Bligh has been severely embarrassed after 20 times the recommended maximum safe dose of fluoride was put into Brisbane's drinking water...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25485315-...
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City Workers Accidentally Dump Hydrochloric Acid into Ohio Water Supply Instead of Toxic Fluoride
(February 3, 2009) Yesterday, chemical treatment plant workers in Bellaire, Ohio, accidentally dumped 40 pounds of hydrochloric acid into the public water supply instead of 40 pounds of toxic fluoride chemicals they were supposed to dump.
Falling fluoride levels alerted water treatment officials to the problem, and they immediately issued an alert to tell people to stop drinking the water. The water system was then flushed by opening fire hydrants across the town to remove any trace of hydrochloric acid.
But here’s the hilarious part in all this: Hydrochloric acid is safer than fluoride!
http://www.naturalnews.com/News_000716_fluoride_water_supply...
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Man Quits Job Over Water Fluoride
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More from Australia-
Looks like this man grew a spine.
This story just completely warms my heart. It's the PERFECT story to bring alive the Christmas Spirit:
Man Quits Job Over Water Fluoride
AFTER 15 years loyal service with Fitzroy River Water, Graham Demeny says his career is down the gurgler because of fluoride and an uncompromising council.
Graham, who was responsible for making Rockhampton’s drinking water safe, resigned earlier this month after his request for a transfer within Rockhampton Regional Council was refused.
He said he questioned the safety of adding fluoride to the city’s water supply and ethically wasn’t prepared to do the job.
From today fluoride will be added to drinking water in Rockhampton, The Caves and Gracemere.
Protesters, including councillor Glenda Mather, will rally against the situation this morning outside City Hall.
Yesterday Cr Mather said Graham’s situation was a tragedy.
“I consider staff, especially long-term staff, as the organisation’s most valuable asset and we need to treat them like liquid gold,” Cr Mather said.
“I feel very sad for this family, especially at Christmas time, as clearly the breadwinner has ended a career because he stood by principles.
“I don’t know what I can do, but will certainly be making some internal enquiries to see if a solution can be found.”
Graham, who finished up with council on December 7, said he was one of five people who added the chemicals to the water supply.
“For the last 15 years I have worked at the Glenmore Water Treatment Plant operating the chemical dosing of water taken from the Fitzroy River for the city’s consumption,” Graham said.
“Until now all processes adopted have made the water either clean or safe to consume.
“Fluoride addition does neither and questionably compromises the safety aspect.
“With this ethical, plus a few moral issues, I realised my present position was untenable.”
He said he approached council about a transfer.
“Not wishing to make waves and expecting respect on my stance on fluoride and for the years of loyal service I requested redeployment,” Graham said.
“Without negotiation I was told to leave if I wasn’t prepared to dose the city water supply with fluoride, for there would be no redeployment.”
He said his was just one of many examples of the “consequences of supercilious policies and procedures adopted by council since amalgamation which are drastically reducing morale in the council workforce”.
A council spokeswoman confirmed Mr Demeny had worked for the council before resigning, however said it was not council’s policy to comment on staffing matters.
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Filters in demand to stop fluoride (Australia news article)
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Out of Australia:
Filters in demand to stop fluoride
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it would be nice to get it out of the water.
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Debate over adding fluoride to water continues (Louisiana)
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More fires to be put-out around the nation with this mess:
Debate over adding fluoride to water continues
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"LESS CAVITIES TO FILL" - - WTF !!!!
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Do any of you TRULY believe dentists want LESS cavities to fill?
That's like a roofer hoping for hurricane-proof roofs.
How stupid to these criminals think we are? I guess if enough people are ingesting fluoride, then intelligence is no longer a factor in the equation.
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Has anyone called BS regarding children
Given that their first set of teeth will fall out anyway? I spoke with a fellow parent the other day that insisted on buying flouridating Ozarka bottled water (marketed for children) for her 3 year old.
Seriously? Our people not able to think through that one?
(my backyard) Plant City, FL may fluoridate water supply
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They don't call this state Fluorida for nothing.
If anyone lives in this area, do you care to help organize a group to crash their party - i.e. - educate the masses and speak at their hearings, etc?
We need a big WIN against these criminals !!!
Plant City may fluoridate water supply
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WTF?
I understand that once a city starts this it is hard to stop but why in the hell would a city start THIS DAY AND AGE?
With declining tax base...they are starting to worry about tooth decay? Are you serious?
When did the local dentist lobby get so much clout and financing?
Or is something else going on?
Should I report this as terrorism to DHS?
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If anyone else dumped known toxins/poisons into the water supply, IT WOULD BE TREATED AS A TERRORIST ACT !!!
I am tempted to report it as such, but I'll probably end up being on some shit-list the rest of my life.
Who am I kidding - I'm sure I already am.
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Have any of you defeated fluoridation at the local level ?
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Thanks, for sharing.
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From THEIR own product info - deadly toxic....
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....AND bad for teeth.
I live right here in central Florida where the evil Mosaic company resides. They are one of the biggest suppliers of the fluoride that gets dumped in most of our water supplies. This toxic waste - in THEIR case - is a by-product of the phosphate/fertilizer industry.
Here's one of THEIR pdfs I found online regarding this substance:
Link
TRADE NAME: Hydrofluosilicic Acid
CHEMICAL NAME: Hydrofluosilicic Acid
CAS NUMBER: 16961 - 83 – 4
CHEMICAL FAMILY: Inorganic Fluorides
SYNONYMS:
Fluorosilicic Acid
Hexafluosilicic Acid
HFS
FSA
PRIMARY USE: Industrial Chemical
COMPANY
INFORMATION:
MOSAIC
8813 U.S. Highway 41 South
Riverview, Florida 33569
SECTION II HAZARD IDENTIFICATION
Health Hazards:
Large doses can cause nausea, vomiting,
diarrhea, abdominal burning, and cramp-like
pains. Circulatory, respiratory, nervous
complaints, and skin rashes may occur. Liquid or
vapor also causes severe irritation and burns,
which will not be immediately apparent. It also
causes severe irritation to the lungs, nose and
throat. If swallowed, it can cause severe damage
to throat and stomach.
Toxicity: Not identified as toxic by OSHA ( Hahahaha, yeah right )
Eye: Corrosive. Contact may cause severe irritation, eye burns, and permanent eye damage.
Skin: Corrosive. Contact may cause severe irritation, skin burns, and permanent skin damage.
POTENTIAL HEALTH
EFFECTS:
Inhalation (Breathing) Corrosive. Harmful if inhaled. May cause severe irritation and burns of the nose, throat, and respiratory tract.
Ingestion (Swallowing) Corrosive. Harmful or fatal if swallowed. May cause severe irritation and burns of the mouth, throat and digestive tract.
Signs and Symptoms: Effects of overexposure may include severe irritation and burns of the mouth, nose, throat, respiratory and digestive tract. Coughing, pulmonary edema (accumulation of fluids in the lungs) and numbness around the lips. Onset of symptoms may be delayed.
Cancer: The ingredient(s) of this product is (are) not classified as carcinogenic by NTP, IARC, or OSHA ( Hahaha - yeah right )
Target Organs: No data available for this material ( Hahaha - yeah, right ).
Other Comments: Prolonged or repeated overexposure to fluoride compounds may cause fluorosis. Fluorosis is characterized by skeletal changes, consisting of osteosclerosis (hardening or abnormal density of bone) and osteomalcia (softening of bones) and by mottled discoloration of the enamel of teeth (if exposure occurs during enamel formation).
Symptoms may include bone and joint pain and
limited range of motion. Conditions aggravated
by exposure may include skin and respiratory
(asthma-like) disorders.
Pre-Existing Medical
Conditions:
Conditions aggravated by exposure may include
skin and respiratory (asthma-like) disorders.
GENERAL HYGIENE
CONSIDERATIONS:
Avoid breathing fumes.
Avoid ingestion
Wash thoroughly after handling
Avoid contact with eyes or skin
Use in adequate ventilation
Disclaimer:
This information and product are furnished on the condition that the person receiving them shall make their own determination as to suitability of the product for their particular purpose and on the condition that they assume the risk of their use thereof. The conditions the use of this product are beyond the control of Mosaic, and Mosaic disclaims any liability for loss or damage incurred in connection with the use or misuse of this substance.
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NZ Community Has Fluoride RAMMED Down Throats
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Often times, it doesn't matter what the citizens want - it only matters what the "leaders" and "experts" want.
Take a look at this news story out of New Zealand:
Central Hawke's Bay to Continue Fluoridation
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19 November 2009
After a thorough consultation process with the local community, Central Hawke’s Bay District Council has decided to continue to fluoridate the Waipukurau water supply.
Mayor Trish Giddens said today that Council was happy with the consultation process and had heard good information both ‘for’ and ‘against’ fluoridation. A public meeting was held, and experts were called to speak and provide information.
Council considered all information as well as a local survey which showed 439 wanted to stop fluoridation, and 297 wanted to continue fluoridation. Strong support of fluoridation was shown by the Ministry of Health with doctors, dentists, and public health officials informing Council of the detrimental effects on populations once fluoride was stopped in water supplies.
The question of continuing or stopping fluoridation was asked as the fluoride dosing system at the Waipukurau water treatment plant was due to be replaced – and Council considered it timely to ask the community their views about fluoride.
“There was no consultation with the public when fluoridation began in Waipukurau in 1979 as it was seen as an important health issue at the time. This Council has consulted with the public and professionals, and it seems it is still a very important health issue. That is why Council has decided to continue to fluoridate the Waipukurau water supply.”
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Just RAM it down their throats anyhow !!!!!
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Plattsburgh, NY council votes to KEEP fluoridating water
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Well, the Plattsburgh, NY city council took a vote and fluoridation (the poisoning of the community) will continue.
I'd like to point-out some interesting items in the article:
City votes to keep fluoride
Published November 19, 2009
PLATTSBURGH — City of Plattsburgh councilors voted in favor of keeping fluoride in the city’s drinking water.
Councilors Timothy Carpenter (D-Ward 1), George Rabideau (R-Ward 3), James Calnon (I-Ward 4) and Chris Jackson (D-Ward 6) voted against a measure to remove fluoride from the city’s water supply while Michael Kelly (D-Ward 2) and Amy Valentine (D-Ward 5) voted in favor of its removal Thursday night.
The vote came after about an hour’s worth of comments from the public and debate among the council.
Opponents of fluoride have argued for the better part of the past year that the chemical is dangerous and can lead to serious health issues.
They also argue against the systematic delivery of fluoride to the public through the drinking-water supply.
Supporters of fluoride say that it promotes healthy teeth and is not a health threat.
During the public comment period, five people spoke out against the use of fluoride in the city’s drinking water.
“The question is not whether the product or the dosage meets government standards; it’s whether the government standards, as they have been in the past, are based on too little research and on faulty assumptions,” Richard Robbins, husband of Valentine, said.
No one spoke in favor of fluoride.
Kelly said studies have shown that infants and people with heart or kidney disease, diabetes and vitamin C and magnesium deficiencies should not have fluoride.
“That means that about 25 percent of the people of this city should not have fluoride,” Kelly said to his fellow councilors.
“So, are you willing to vote to allow these individuals to suffer because of your decision?”
Rabideau said he was supporting fluoride because local, state and federal agencies have said that it is safe.
Carpenter and Jackson both said they supported keeping fluoride based on recommendations from local and state health departments and federal agencies.
“If the Board of Health changes its mind tomorrow then I will change my vote,” Carpenter said.
Jackson said he, too, would go with government recommendations.
“I have no medical background so this is a tough one for me,” he said.
Following the meeting, Paula Calkins-Lacombe, director of the Clinton County Health Department, who attended the meeting with several other Health Department representatives, said that in her 30-plus years in the public health field in the community, she has seen no epidemic of fluoride-related illnesses.
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Unbelievable.
Just freakin' unbelievable.
Someday, all of this insanity that's STILL happening, although it's no longer 1955, will make blood-letting look brilliant in comparison in the annals of history.
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News article from Australia PROVES fluoride is useless
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Here's an article out of Australia which pretty much proves that fluoride has NOTHING to do with dental health, but it's everyone's diet instead:
Casey alarm at toddlers’ teeth
LESS than 11 per cent of Casey children have seen a dentist by their third birthday.
Child Dental Health Surveys have identified a worrying rise in decayed, missing or filled teeth in the area’s four-year-olds since 1998.
Now Casey-Cardinia dentists are urging parents to take toddlers’ dental health more seriously, warning decay in baby teeth can lead to problems later on.
Fountain Gate Dental Care surgeon Desmond Yiu said he had recently filled cavities in children as young as three.
“I’m finding a lot more tooth decay in children than I would expect, particularly given how readily available fluoride is in water and toothpaste,” Dr Yiu said
“There is definitely an attitude out there that because they are just “baby teeth” there’s no need to worry. But that is a very distressing attitude. Parents need to understand that decay in a child’s first set of teeth can lead to problems in their permanent ones.”
Dr Yiu said poor diet was the cause of the concerning trend.
“There has been a cultural change towards high sugar drinks that are very damaging to teeth,” he said.
Dr Yiu said parents should book their children in for their first dental appointment at 12-24 months of age.
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Most of Europe has rejected fluoridating their water supply
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Most of Europe has now systematically rejected fluoridating their water supply
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Here's my prayer to God I posted in my local forums about this
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There's a thread in my local forums about Mosaic, the DARTH VADER of companies based out of central Florida (Polk County) where I live which mines phosphate and - as a result - the toxic fluoride that's being dumped in all our water supplies.
Anyhow, I posted a prayer to God in that thread about Mosaic and those who are complicit in their crimes.
Here it is:
http://forums.theledger.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=5151088265&f=...
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George Gordon's Series on "The Fluoride Deception"
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In case you all haven't heard George Gordon's take on this issue -
He gives a rundown of the history of how fluoride was used in the Manhattan Project and how Professor Harold C Hodge conducted top-secret experiments on humans regarding its toxicity during WWII - from the Book "The Fluoride Deception".
These crooks also had to think of a way to place this poison in our drinking supply and sell it to the public that it was/is "healthy":
The Fluoride Deception 1 of 7 by George Gordon
The Fluoride Deception 2 of 7 by George Gordon
The Fluoride Deception 3 of 7 by George Gordon
The Fluoride Deception 4 of 7 by George Gordon
The Fluoride Deception 5 of 7 by George Gordon
The Fluoride Deception 6 of 7 by George Gordon
The Fluoride Deception 7 of 7 by George Gordon
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I studied fluoride about 10
I studied fluoride about 10 years ago and there are a few ways to get it out of water.
First is reverse osmosis filtration systems. They are about 1000 bucks for a good one and works by pushing water through a very thin membrane.
Then there's distillation where you pour water into basically what amounts to a rice cooker and the lighter than air stuff floats off while the heavy stuff sinks to the bottom. So only water remains in a small container. They have 1 and 5 gallon distillers.
If you ever use a distiller and remove the chlorine, fluorides and minerals, what is left on the bottom literally smells like strong urine and is yellow in color. It's pretty gross what you drink. Water treatment companies use many chemicals in the water to treat it.
The last way is to collect rain water and treat it with filtration yourself. They sell 50 gallon drum kits where the run-off from your homes roof gets diverted into the drum.
The most convenient way is reverse osmosis, and it will only get most of the bad stuff out.
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Filters?
What about water purifiers that work by vaporizing water and then condensing the steam. Some of those actually have mineral cups so that the water doesn't taste bad. Flouride isn't in that is it?
List and Amount of Bottled Water with Fluoride...
The FDA recommends that fluoride added to bottled water must be added
in a concentration that varies from 0.8ppm and 1.7ppm, depending on
the annual average of maximum daily air temperatures.
Fluoride in bottled water
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Figures according to bottled water producers:
Lauré Pristine Spring Water:
Level detected: Fluoride 0.1 mg/l
http://www.laure.com/analysis.php
Mayer Bros:
"In our Fluoridated water we ad 1 part per million Sodium Fluoride as
recommended by the American Dental Society."
http://www.mayerbros.com/faq_content.asp#fluoride
Dannon:
"We add up to 1 mg of fluoride per liter of water. Therefore there is
up to 0.25mg of fluoride in one 255 mL (8.5 FL OZ) bottle of DANNON
Fluoride to Go."
http://www.dannonwater.com/fluoride.html#4
Figures from tests conducted by the Natural Resources Defense Council:
Apollinaris Sparkling Mineral Water (1 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.37 ppm, below std.
Beechnut Water, Fluoride Added (1 gallon)
Fluoride found at 0.71 ppm
Black Mountain Fluoridated Water (1 gallon)
Fluoride found at 0.93 ppm (exceeds standard in warm areas)
Black Mountain Fluoridated Water
Fluoride found at 1.3 ppm (exceeds standard in warm areas)
Canada Dry (Sparklling Water)
Fluoride found at 0.13 ppm, well below std.
Crystal Geyser Alpine Spring Water
Fluoride found at 0.82 ppm
Gerber Baby Water with Fluoride (1.5 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.46 ppm, below standard
Lucky Seltzer Water (2 liters)
Fluoride found at 0.84 ppm
Odwalla Geothermal Natural Spring Water (1 liter)
Fluoride found at 1.5 ppm and 1.6 ppm
Opal Spring Water (1.5 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.16 ppm
S. Pellegrino Sparkling Natural Mineral Water (1 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.37 ppm (below standard)
Safeway Drinking Water (1 gallon)
Fluoride found at 0.81 ppm (above standard in warm weather areas)
Safeway Select Club Soda (2 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.64 ppm, below std.
Safeway Select Seltzer Water (2 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.83 ppm* above warm weather std. for added fluoride
Safeway Spring Water (1 gallon)
Fluoride found at 0.28 ppm, below std.
Sahara Mountain Spring Water (1.5 liter)
Fluoride at 0.54 ppm
Schweppes Club Soda (1 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.13 ppm, well below standard
Schweppes Seltzer Water (1 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.28 ppm, well below standard
Shasta Sparkling Club Soda (2 liters)
Fluoride found at 0.19 ppm, well below standard
Volvic Natural Spring Water (1.5 liter)
Fluoride found at 0.17 ppm, well below standard
SUMMARY OF NRDC'S TEST RESULTS
Bottled Water Contaminants Found
http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/bw/appa.asp
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Spring water always has low levels of fluoride
Spring water will virtually always contain naturally occurring fluoride.
To get fluoride free water, look for bottles that say "Purified"
Not all purified waters are fluoride free, but it does take some kind of purification process to get rid of it.
Neslte's Pure Life Purified Water has no detectable levels of fluoride.
http://www.nestle-purelife.us/about/default.asp
Sure there are others brands that are fluoride free, but that site will give you an idea what to look for in fluoride free waters and what the purification process is.
I use Primo bottled water on
I use Primo bottled water on occasion. The bottles are not made from crude oil, but plants instead. Helps reduce dependence on foreign oil.
http://www.primowater.com/single-serve_bottle-made-from-plan...
I wonder why
fluoride is so hard to remove from water, is it by design? I have a big berkey and I hate the white filters that they say takes out the fluoride, they don't work and are a pain to put on. I hate that I have to pay all of this money to filter my water and it doesn't even remove fluoride.
Turn that frown upside down
You hate it and it's a pain. The white and black filters don't remove fluoride. Well, you need the extra KDF filters. Yep, it costs a bunch of money. What better things do you have to spend your money on than clean water? Your body is 70% water. Does somebody owe you free clean water? Does the universe owe you free clean water? Why don't you just trust the government to clean your water?
Don't work?
What do you mean?
Pineal gland and flouride
look it up...it is frightening