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Fort Hood was a false flag by CIA/Mossad, Hasan is the patsy.

Fort Hood was a false flag by CIA/Mossad, Hasan is the patsy.

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There were two stories running in parallel on the day of the shooting. The true story leaking out over the internet via e-mail, telephones, twitter, and the 'official story' being planted in sequence at ABC, NBC, CBS and AP.

That's why there was a mixture of: information, honest misinformation and planted disinformation. 24 hours later everything had been boiled down to the 'official story' where a single crazed Muslim gunman killed 13 and wounds 31.

The plants and spins give this away to be at full-out false flag. This is evidenced by the 'bogus suicide grenade-bomb article' being written and planted WEEKS BEFORE the 5 November 2009 and then 'found' four hours after the shooting and RELEASED to AP (when the FBI believed Hasan was already dead). The spun rambo female police gun-fire take down. The spun terrorist Imam 'electronic' connection to Yemeni. The spun Al-Qaida connection. The spun 9/11 terrorist connection.

Please, do not believe any of those lies.

Hasan was laying on the transit hall floor with four bullets in him when the real gunmen (government agents - likely CIA/Mossad based on prior 9/11 experience) made their escape and shot several SWAT and civil police before being apprehended and then released.

The real shooters were dressed in army fatigues, they pumped Hasan with 4 bullets and believed him to be totally dead. One of real gunmen may have been shot and killed during their escape. The real gunmen who escaped were apprehended and then released back into the hands of the CIA.

What do you think Hasan (if he isn't suicided instead) will say - that he is a member of Al-Qaida and that he did it because he hates America's freedoms?

This was a false flag by CIA/Mossad just like 9/11 to garner further support for the exploitative and genocidal wars in middle eastern Muslim countries AND to prepare the public for the unprovoked coming invaison of MUSLIM Iran by US and Israel to force Iran to accept a Rothschildean controlled central bank - as was done a few years ago to Iraq.

In summary, Hasan did not fire a single shot, he did not even hold a gun on Thursday 5 November 2009 in Fort Hood.

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I have to agree

I know so called 'conspiracy theories' are inevitable these days, but this whole incident smells very fishy to me, something isn't right. The 'official story' looks way too convenient for neocon warmongers, and when they start talking about 'links with al qaeda' you should know by now that something is being made up since an organisation called 'al qaeda' doesn't exist in real life.

I don't have all the facts, I would not want to accuse someone of this crime without knowing them. All I know is this, what we are being told is not neccessarily the truth, as a matter of fact, it probably isn't true at all.

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all day long we heard...

there is more than one shooter...there are two shooters...there are three accomplices!

what the hell happened?

something smells fishy here and it ain't the caviar!

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its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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9/11 Truth.

Although I have the same suspicions as you

my suspicions do not translate into belief. I went back (way below) and read your evidence consisting of early Internet traffic after/during the incident(s) but first impressions, especially by non-witnesses, are wrong often enough to make them a generally poor quality of evidence. If you pinned your theory on such evidence, maybe you should have included it in the original post.

I'm not one to "believe" any version, whether MSM, Internet account, or my own hypotheses. I heartily encourage further investigation through all channels possible.

Here's one hypothesis that would support the official version: The semi-automatic pistol used by the shooter fires a very high-velocity rifle round with high penetration power. A single round could wound several people, especially if passing through flesh only. If troops were standing or seated in bunched formation, this might explain how one shooter could wound so many people in the few seconds before he could realistically be stopped. Further, the rounds of this weapon can easily penetrate most LE body armor so armored SWAT team members would be as susceptible as the troops to injury. What remains questionable in this case would be the obvious duration of the event. How could Hassan have remained armed and shooting on an huge army base till the SWAT team showed up from the nearby town?

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

While it is always good to use care

when analyzing new events and proposing alternative explanations it is also good to keep some established facts in mind:

1. We are lied to, repeatedly and in very BIG ways. This is absolutely proven fact, examples-Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor

2. The lies are in most cases to serve and further obvious agendas-WOT is an obvious PTB agenda

3. In this instance there is at least one glaring indicator that the story being put out was discussed before dissemination, the truth does not require press release meetings.
-There is no plausible way to explain that you thought the perp was DEAD for six hours. Large military bases have the resources and knowledge to determine quickly and definitively whether or not someone is mort. One possibility, were they wanting to announce him dead while they determined if they could get away with further deading him after the fact. Were there too many witnesses to his very much aliveness/extent of his wounds so they were forced to admit he was alive. Determining such things, how many witnesses knew too much and the nature of those witnesses(easily co-opted or not) takes time, explaining the delay in admitting what must have been known immediately.
If they acknowledge that they told the public a the public a deliberate untruth on that point then we can go from there but they are currently caught red handed lying on that one.

I do not know what the absolute truth is in this as in so many things and will likely never know. What is already clear thus far is that lies have been told to us in this matter. Why?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

That the world is round was first a "conspiracy theory"

All the "proof" of the day said the proponents were crazy.
The same with helocentricity when it was first proposed.

America is in her last two minutes as a viable nation and one may remain politically correct and go along silently to her death or one may speak a truthful alternative to power, the same power that allowed the inside job/false flag by CIA/Mossad on the eleventh of September 2001.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees under fascism.

Fascism is the merging of corporation and government where profits are kept by the elite but loses are paid by the people.

Finally, I believe Ron Paul is a good and honest man with good people supporting him. But if we don't speak truth to power now - there may not be a country left in 2012 for him to become president of!

My title was deliberately loaded to get people to look at the MSM as NOT telling us the truth about Fort Hood or anything else that is leading us to a new world order under the privately owned international banking cartel lead by Rothschild - called the World Bank and where SDR's not dollars will be used in America.

Peace, truth, love.

Mouser

Mouser, this thread will appear on google search.

It is irresponsible to NOT let people know this is YOUR theory. I hope you change your title.

Paulag1 wrote the following 20091108 about psyops

(Please pay attention JCR ;)

"In a real criminal investigation there is a responsible way to handle the media. TOTAL BLACKOUT!! In a psyops the method used is totaly different; It is called leak, mislead, hide forensic information and impune a patsy(s). Most people are honest and they try to draw hones conclusions from forensic evidence. In psyops the government will leak "inside" information, give misleading anecdotal information, hide the forensics and nominate a patsy to impune. BTW the last count was 55 dead and wounded. Their case gets more preopsterous everyday.

Psychological Operations influence national objectives at the tactical, operational and strategic levels of operations. Strategic psychological operations advance broad or long-term objectives; domesic as well as foreign in nature, they may be directed toward large audiences or at key communicators. (LikeFOX News) Operational psychological operations are conducted on a smaller scale. They are employed by theater commanders (Like Fort Hoodwink) to target groups within the theater of operations. Their purpose can range from gaining support for U.S. operations to preparing the American Public for combat. Tactical psychological operations are more limited, used by commanders to secure immediate and near-term goals. In this environment, these deomestic political activities serve as a means to influence American public opinion and political leaders by demonstrating the ability to make or create issues and impune other broad based political goals that do not favor the Military/Inustrial/Congressional complex.

Under US law, PSYOP is part of Special Operations forces or activities. The detailed military policy, which implements a declassified Presidential directive is itself classified.

These policies forbid U.S. PSYOP forces to target (i.e., attempt to change their opinions) U.S. citizens at any time, in any location globally, or under any circumstances. However, commanders may use PSYOP forces to provide public information to U.S. audiences during times of disaster or crisis. The use of PSYOP forces to deliver necessary public information to a U.S. audience was established in relief activities after Hurricane Andrew in 1992. Tactical Psychological Operations teams (TPTs) were employed to disseminate information. (psyops) (The camel got it's nose in the tent in 1992.) The Army then began to use Psyops in 9/11 2001 and again this week.

United States PSYOP units and soldiers of all branches of the military are prohibited by law from conducting PSYOP missions on domestic audiences.While PSYOP soldiers may offer non-PSYOP related support to domestic military missions, PSYOP can only target foreign audiences. Though, it is worth noting that this does not rule out PSYOP targeting foreign audiences of allied nations. Additionally, in the Information Operations Roadmap made public January 2006 but originally approved by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in October 2003, it stated "information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and PSYOP, increasingly is consumed by our domestic audience and vice-versa. In otherwords

it comes from abroad but picked up here. Always read the by lines below the article they will include foreign contributors. like Dalia Nammari in Ramallah, West Bank in the above article. The General in charge of Psyops in America is John F. Mulholland, Jr. at Fort Bragg, NC He is responsible for waging info wars against Americans.

Almost immediatly after the latest psyops at Fort Hoodwink, the President had to authorize 38,000 additional troops for Afghanistan. The added cost will be $38,000,000,000 per year. Which would be better spent on education and infrastructure and new jobs."

Mouser

It's impugn:

im⋅pugn
/ɪmˈpyun/ [im-pyoon]

–verb (used with object)
1. to challenge as false (another's statements, motives, etc.); cast doubt upon.
2. Archaic. to assail (a person) by words or arguments; vilify.
3. Obsolete. to attack (a person) physically.
Origin:

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

It can also be impune:

Verb impune (inf. used in the form a impune)

1.to enforce
2.to impose

(Wiktionary)

Mouser

If presenting an alternative story of an incident,

please provide reasoned refutations backed up by evidence.

My Blog:
http://horizonscanblog.blogspot.com/

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Don't indiscriminately believe the MSM - do your own research

Then make your own judgments.
Knowledge is power and real truth will set us free.
'No-one is so enslaved as he who wrongly believes he is free.'

Mouser

Fallacy

There is a big difference between a theory of an incident in terms of who was involved and inconsistencies in the official story and whay you asked for - which is a complete timeline and exactly who did what with evidence. He made claims of some (I agree) glaring inconsistencies in the story and reports and yes, made a conclusion of CIA based on historical precident. He probably should not have jumped to accusation. But, you don't have to look far to find reasoning behind the accusation. - he gave you the basics to research yourself.

NEVER TRUST MSM, ANY MSM
"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Interesting points

But you may want to state somewhere in the title that this is your theory.

Amen to that

Your title DECLARES that Hasan is a patsy, and that CIA/Mossad killed 12 Americans at Ft. Hood.

That's reckless, irresponsible, and nothing more than your wild speculation at this point.

Most people here know that I think wild conspiracies hold this movement back, and should be frowned upon within the context of a site presenting itself as a "hub." But even setting that view aside for a moment, anyone presenting speculative conspiracies should be VERY CAREFUL to couch their claims. If we're going to go off the reservation and investigate these wild ideas in the confines of the movement (and I wish we wouldn't), let's be clear that we're asking QUESTIONS, throwing out unsubstantiated CLAIMS, etc.

Declarative statements like the title of this thread make us look like total lunatics.

Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views...Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. - SCotUS, 1995

WCU4Paul

"Most people here know that I think wild conspiracies hold this movement back..."

Many here know that you attempt to fracture our movement and use unscrupulous means to do so like using sock puppets; however ridiculously entertaining they may be.

"...make us look like total lunatics."

Having online alter-egos demonstrates psychosis.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/113049

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

That the world is round was first a "conspiracy theory"

All the "proof" of the day said the proponents were crazy.
The same with helocentricity when it was first proposed.

America is in her last two minutes as a viable nation and one may remain politically correct and go along silently to her death or one may speak a truthful alternative to power, the same power that allowed the inside job/false flag by CIA/Mossad on the eleventh of September 2001.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees under fascism.

Fascism is the merging of corporation and government where profits are kept by the elite but loses are paid by the people.

Finally, I believe Ron Paul is a good and honest man with good people supporting him. But if we don't speak truth to power now - there may not be a country left in 2012 for him to become president of!

My title was deliberately loaded to get people to look at the MSM as NOT telling us the truth about Fort Hood or anything else that is leading us to a new world order under the privately owned international banking cartel lead by Rothschild - called the World Bank and where SDR's not dollars will be used in America.

Peace, truth, love.

Mouser

You're not the only one with this theory

Michael Rivero has been talking about this theory-hasan was breaking up a firefight between people who didn't want to deploy and officers who were forcefully coercing servicemen to deploy. He has a radio show here: http://www.gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=whatReally
and his website is here: www.whatreallyhappened.com

Also this great article about hassan being a patsy really breaks down the lame story they're pushing:
http://www.infowars.com/major-nidal-malik-hasan-jihadist-or-...

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Where is the TERRORISM?

Let's all get real for just one moment, please.

There is NO REAL Muslim, Al Qaeda terrorist organization with plans to kill Americans. At least not beyond the few lone nuts. And here is how I KNOW.

Think IRA, Irish Republican Army. These folks did some serious damage, shooting, bombing, kidnapping you name they did it and over and over again.

If there really was any real TERRORIST THREAT you would not have to watch television to know about it. You would have experienced it first hand or have a family member who did.

If what O'really, our presidents most of Congress and half the talk show host on the radio were correct about Muslim terrorist there would actually be terrorism on the streets of America. And I mean weekly. There would be bombings, snippings, fires set, etc.

Look what the D.C. Sniper accomplished in the name of terror. Look what the Speedway Bomber accomplished in the name of terror. Look throughout history a single individual can inflict massive amounts of terror.

But there are no weekly, monthly or even annual attacks.

My point here is it really does not matter if the Major at Ft. Hood was a lone nut or an Islamic Extremist trained by Al Qeada. It's all bogus.

THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT. Only criminal threats both from abroad and here at home.

Please take a bow, Black Ops

because you are absolutely correct.
No Code Red. No Terrorist Threat.
Al Queda is a convenient catch-all for the faceless boogiemen.

ecorob's picture

you are closer to the truth...

than you think, Black Ops

O Captain! My Captain! Rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I also suspect that the official story may not be accurate.

The 3 shooters reported early on made more sense.
Then when police arrived, they were told "two more", the media then said they were calling for Hasan to be shot 2 more times! lol
That just didn't make any sense.
But the act that Hasan lived doesn't fit into any sort of coverup.
who knows.

Offensive drivel

Mouser, this makes us all look bad. And this is even worse than the chemtrailing, birthing, truthing fringe type of bad.

You have zero evidence.

This isn't a search for truth. This has NOTHING to do with liberty, freedom...OR REALITY. I don't speak for everyone here (I don't even speak for a majority), and I certainly don't speak for Michael Nystrom, but if anyone is engaging in a destructive "false flag" operation it is YOU. YOU are portraying yourself as a run-of-the-mill Ron Paul supporter and YOUR WORDS reflect on us.

Take your garbage to Rense or Alex Jones. Spare us the blowback of your insensitive paranoia.

Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views...Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. - SCotUS, 1995

"Offensive drivel"

I find your comment much more offensive then his. Additionally, you offer no evidence, or even a point of view yourself.

Fact is the official story made no sense, whatsoever. You don't need evidence to come to the conclusion that something isn't rite. I believe you to be a sad soul... to simply accept everything you hear, because you can't prove otherwise. How do you think you find evidence? Do you think a little birdie is going to come down out of the sky and hand it to you in a wicker basket?....ahhh what a wonderful world that would be...

I think the OP should keep at it, at least until we arrive at a logical explanation of what happened that day.

Can I smear feces on your front door?

...and then "keep it there, until we arrive at a logical conclusion of what feces is, whether it's unhealthy, what the bran content of it is, and if the current social mores about feces are justified" ?

Bottom line: there's a version of what happened that's largely accepted at this point. Sure, it changes as we gather more information. If, after gathering lots of information, people want to form alternate theories about what happened, they're free to do so. [Side note: I'd suggest Rense.com, Alex Jones' website, or other conspiracy-oriented outlets for bouncing those ideas around. Linking them to the Ron Paul movement is irresponsible.]

But in the mean time, DECLARING (that's what the title of the thread does, it doesn't speculate or ask questions: it DECLARES his version to be reality) what happened - particularly when that declaration accuses our government of collaborating with a foreign country and killing 12 Americans - without any real evidence, is not something this movement should tolerate.

Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views...Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. - SCotUS, 1995

Hi.

"Fort Hood was a false flag by CIA/Mossad, Hasan is the patsy.

Commentary: "

The term Commentary is widely accepted as a way to express that following text or speech is a matter of opinion and not to be taken as fact.

So it is obvious that you are angry over this poster's decision to place it directly below the title rather then in the title. Your reasoning is that you want to protect Dr. Paul from bad publicity of someone who has a personal opinion about the events at Fort Hood.

Now if your going to imply that simply creating a title on this web site will create bad publicity, then you also directly infer that said article will be read. As a result any possible new viewers will read, directly upon entering this page that the original post is, as it says it is, COMMENTARY.

My suggestion for the original poster is to completely ignore this WCU4Paul character, and continue exercising his first amendment rite in any way he pleases.

ecorob's picture

you reek!

the only thing getting smeared around here, WCU4Paul, is your gullibility!

O Captain! My Captain! Rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

What do you think happened?

Please say what you think happened.
I'd like to hear your opinion.

Mouser

apparently he believes

whatever the TV told him happened.

"Stop questioning! You're making us all look nuts!"
[Jefferson, Washington and Einstein all roll over in their graves]

Mouser

Is nothing more than a false shepard. He is trying to lead anyone that would seek the truth down a false path.

-No links
-No corroboration
-Nothing put cut and pastes
-Pure hearsay

http://rockthetruth2.blogspot.com/2009/11/msm-covering-up-mi...

Look at the articles and draw your own conclusions

What do you think happened?

I am very open to hear what your opinion is.
Please don't take my word/opinion - do your own research and make your own independent judgement..
This is only my opinion after 80 hours of research and I'm still very interested in learning new information on the shooting or even just your opinion.
A WTC7 got by us once - let's not let a Ft. Hood do the same thing.

Peace, truth, love.

Mouser