Health Bill Forces Us To Be Chipped??? Check It Out!
Submitted by betty on Sat, 11/14/2009 - 12:12
WoW! I hope I'm reading this wrong, but this article link below discusses this very issue. Evidently deep within this health care bill, there is a mandatory chipping section!!!??!!! Tell me it's not so, fellow RP'ers!!
Judge for yourself and please keep this bumped, because if this is the case, then OMG!!!!!! Are you willing to be chipped??? I'm not. Nobody I know would be, with rare exception.
http://www.infowars.com/microchiping-included-in-healthcare-...
If this is the case, we better step up the political action and make this go viral - so every American can know!
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betty, this is a joke from infowars...
Do some research, the Bill they have linked on infowars doesn't even have an official bill number, if it did, it would say so at the very beginning, and have the date this bill was passed in Congress. The link to the infowars bill does not dear. More propaganda from Alex Jones...
Who cares? Are you going to
Who cares? Are you going to comply? What if the Congress passed a law requiring you to submit to euthanasia? Would you go along with it?
Anybody willing to research this??
I think I'm coming down with the Swine Flu, I got sick after reading this article. Gee, I think I will try to find the nearest vaccine center and get on my knees thanking them for their mercury filled toxic vaccine. Yes, tongue in cheek, but could I resist? No!
betty
The actual Bill that the House passed is HR3962....
I do not believe the Bill that Infowars has posted with a link is the same one, it isn't even numbered at the top, and the date is from several months back. Did anyone else notice that. We actually have a copy of the original Bill that was voted on and passed downloaded on one of our computers.
That is worth checking out!
Thank you!
betty
Please check that out betty...
I think Infowars is using a Bill that may have been in the works prior, or something else altogether. Please let me know what you find.
Pacemakers can send out radio waves
This may just refer to things like pacemakers or implanted-cardioverter-defibrillators. The settings of devices like these can be checked and adjusted externally.
"... the doctor ...will use a programming device, sometimes called a programmer/recorder/monitor (PRM), to receive information about how the pacemaker or the heart itself is functioning. The programming device communicates with the pacemaker via radio waves from a wand held over the site where the pacemaker is implanted. The PRM sends instructions to the pacemaker about how often to deliver an electrical pulse."
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/heart/episode2/anatomy.html
Also, all implantable medical devices are already numbered and registered with the manufacturer. A medical person told me this is just in case some problem crops up. If a recall were necessary, they want to be able to contact anyone with that particular device. This includes things like metal plates and breast implants. But yes, you can be identified by these numbers. I saw a documentary where a skeleton was identified by the numbers on the breast implants found with it.
NJ
I have an ICD implanted.
It is the same type of device Dick Cheney has. It is a pacemaker/defibrillator. I received an ID card with instructions to give to airport security. I can not be "wanded". The ID card contains the date of the implant, the serial numbers of the device as well as each lead. It also provides the name and phone number of the doctor who did the implant. It is not about an invasion of privacy. I have been notified that one of my leads could be defective. I have a machine in my home connected to my phone line that I have to use to "read" the device every Monday. The information is saved and then sent via phone line. I see nothing wrong with
any of this. Please don't get too paranoid about everything you see and read. Some is exactly as it appears to be. Nothing sinister about that.
agreed
The point I'm trying to make, is that the description some people are assuming refers to a RFID chip, actually accurately describes a pacemaker or implanted defibrillator, and there are legitimate reasons for an implanted medical device to transmit signals to an external monitor - as you have described. I don't think this is referring to RFID chips.
It sounds like this law just seeks to have the government take charge of storing the serial numbers/info of all such devices - a "registry" - "to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data...etc". Currently, I believe the manufacturer is the entity that keeps track of this information.
NJ
Intesting that InfoWars lists the DP as source
why doesn't InfoWars post the original link that celeste posted as the source?
I mean I'm not upset that its driving people to DP, but listing it as a source is a bit of shaky journalism. (as if the whole Alex Jones thing was above reproach anyway) and I see it as strange "credibility" positioning for the Daily Paul.
just had to post that.
otherwise...yeah...I don't doubt that they want to chip us. I mean its all about "databases and debits" from this point forward anyway.
Can't find the original source
I googled part of the article and there's just too many hits and all that I checked, none link to the source of the word string I googled.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22Buried+dee...
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for posterity!
betty
Well, I would like to try my own hand at analyzing this section-
The article states that the bill says:
“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”
An Established National device registry: Hmmm, that sounds funny
"(ii) a class ll device that is implantable"
Well, I read that the FDA's definition of a class ll device that is implantable is an "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." That sounds like a chip to me, especially with the "national medical device registry"that will be established under these stupid draconian rules.
betty
Conspriacy theories aside, chipping has lots of benefits
Yeah, I know some of you fully believe that chips will include GPS and cianide, but thankfully, not all of us are that gullible.
There are hundreds of scenarios where having a chip saves lives and the convinence is obvious.
Frankly, it is hilarious how many recreational devices surround us in our homes, cars, and office, yet we shy away from something so useful as a medical chip. Why? Because of some trolls who create some conspiracy theories.
Hey, what does Ron Paul say about medical chipping?
Nothing, nada, zip, zero...why? Because he has a level head...and he does NOT believe the government is inheriently evil.
Boru- they already have RFID
Boru- they already have RFID and implants in pets. This ain't no conspiracy theory. Believe what you will, as you are pulled head first down the rabbit hole saying I trust my government, I trust my government.
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I'm not sure if RP has
I'm not sure if RP has commented on chipping one way or the other as he has so much material within and without Congress that it is hard to know all he has stated. However C4L has interviewed Katherine Albrecht and posted it on their website. I would say that is basically an endorsement of her main positions by C4L.
Its probably a safe conjecture that RP would be completely against involuntary and forced chipping of any sort and would be a-okay with informed and voluntary consent - the type likely used in pacemakers or other devices.
Consider this
From a practical perspective:
Someone's societally accepted identity is stored in a rice-sized chip in their index finger. Or neck. Or wrist.
Identity theft now consists of chopping out that body part, extracting the chip, and replanted it elsewhere. In the lower rungs of society, imagine the pain this now involves.
It's the invasiveness. There's no leaving this society now.
A layer of nerves should never exist between an identity device and the outside world. Cards, when necessary, work fine.
I've always thought a ring a simpler solution to this. Removable; there's compliance by choice.
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The advent of microchip technology...
is valueless - neither particularly good or evil. But, it is clear that our government has a history of USING many potentially beneficial technologies for the purposes of control and illegitimate jurisdiction. Your assessment that GPS chips are possibly beneficial and also already a standard accessory of our lives is correct, but, the known history of tyrannical application of such technology and in such personal ways is a real threat to individual sovereignty. You may believe that the intent of universal healthcare is altruistic and intended and structured for the positive application of American's benefit, but I see another Trojan horse of government invasion into individual's private and sovereign lives.
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Lots of benefits?
You are nucking futs.
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I would say he is a real
hass aole
OR
a mazy cruther.
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I'm with you on this issue. Chips are bad news.
Synopsis of "MicrochipInduced
Tumors in Laboratory Rodents and Dogs:
A Review of the Literature 1990–2006"
By Katherine Albrecht, Ed.D.
Overview
This document summarizes a paper titled "MicrochipInduced
Tumors in Laboratory Rodents and
Dogs: A Review of the Literature 1990–2006." The full, 48page
paper provides a detailed review of
literature published in toxicology and pathology journals showing a causal link between implanted radiofrequency
(RFID) microchip transponders and cancer in laboratory rodents and dogs.
This work was first inspired by Leon, the French bulldog who developed cancer from a microchip
implant. Leon's owner made heroic efforts to publicize his story and help other dogs avoid his fate. Her
work was carried forward by Associated Press reporter Todd Lewan, who brought the research to the
attention of the public in September 2007 in a featurelength
AP article.
Revelations of a causal link between microchipping and cancer in animals have since prompted
widespread public concern over the safety of implantable microchips for use in pets and human beings.
The current report aims to inform the debate with an indepth
analysis of the relevant animal studies.
http://www.antichips.com/cancer/albrecht-microchip-cancer-sy...
Though FDA approved, microchip implants linked to animal cancer
By TODD LEWAN
When the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved implanting microchips in humans, the manufacturer said it would save lives, letting doctors scan the tiny transponders to access patients' medical records almost instantly. The FDA found "reasonable assurance" the device was safe, and a sub-agency even called it one of 2005's top "innovative technologies."
But neither the company nor the regulators publicly mentioned this: A series of veterinary and toxicology studies, dating to the mid-1990s, stated that chip implants had "induced" malignant tumors in some lab mice and rats.
"The transponders were the cause of the tumors," said Keith Johnson, a retired toxicologic pathologist, explaining in a phone interview the findings of a 1996 study he led at the Dow Chemical Co. in Midland, Mich.
http://illuminati-news.com/0/MicrochipCancerMiamiHerald09080...
APPROVED BY THE FDA = DANGER! DANGER! KEEP AWAY!
Used to be that we could rely on the FDA to keep us safe, now it's just the opposite! They are apparently very politically motivated and are more than eager to fast track everything these days without any studies or testing done by them, they simply rely on the data from the company requesting the approval. So WHAT'S THE POINT of their existence?
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Yeah, they're just great.
Go out and get one right away.
You'll love it.
Not quite
at least, I don't get that from reading it.
It talks about a "device registry" for medical devices, but does not say implicitly or explicitly "we will chip you if...".
However, it very well could be a preliminary step.
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http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulation...
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good thing that wasn't the legal term cited
but just the paraphrasing I chose...
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