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Then ... what?

OK, so we end the fed, making all of our FRNs worthless pieces of green paper.
All of our 401Ks are worthless, because they are based on FRNs.
We are all flat broke!
But we keep working for a company which pays us in FRNs, which are totally worthless!
We can only cash our paychecks for worthless pieces of paper. Who is going to accept a worthless piece of paper for a loaf of bread?
We abolish the IRS … we don’t have to pay any income tax anymore. Great!
We bring back all our troops from foreign soil, and then fire them all, because they are, after all, just worthless government agents.
We fire all of our police forces, because they are just government agents whose sole purpose is to steal money from us with illegal fines for breaking unconstitutional laws.
We abolish all the courts in the land, because they are all run by judges who are in the pocket of the NWO.
Then … what?
Where do we go from here?



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If we end the Fed

the greenback will probably retain or increase its' current value. If we don't end the Fed, the greenback will continue to be inflated and will become worthless.

We would probably go through a huge deflation, which will make your 401k worth less in nominal money, but more in actual buying power.

By eliminating income taxes, you and I would have more to spend (in real terms, if not in nominal terms) and the demand for goods and services would increase, thus making jobs for the unemployed soldiers returning from overseas.

Important step: impediments to business and employment would have to be wiped away or reduced significantly, for example, minimum wage laws and onerous business regulation (think EPA, Sarbanes-Oxley, OSHA, etc). Freedom to create and exchange must accompany government downsizing or there will be no recovery.

Don't forget that War

is extremely costly as well. I would have replied to this post the same way had it not been for the fact that Vlbc is either, 1. Trying to cause disturbance. 2. Actually doing this to create a talking point so people will talk about the Constitution (Which I highly doubt) or....

3. Is a total Halfwit.

You ask stupid questions

expect stupid answers. . This isn't the Daily Kos baby doll.

veritassupreme(supremeTRUTH),

OK, so you have submitted your stupid answer. You can go back to sleep now, seeing as you have nothing to contribute!

and you think you are contributing?

Funny. Sounds like you're making some kind of half witted attempt to complain that if we get what we are working towards (Return to Freedom Under the Constitution) that it will be a nightmare.

Like I said you don't deserve any thing but stupid replies, that is the truth.

I don't know. Are you going to pose

anymore stupid questions? what are you trying to say with this post.. that if things do happen the way many here want that things will be worse?

I mean seriously why ask stupid questions

Its a disaster, but it was

Its a disaster, but it was built on fraud and just because there will be dire consequences is no reason to perpetuate the fraud. I imagine if people are freed and allowed to be creative, the middle class would grow drastically and people would have more time with their families, be debt free.

I think the answer could be allow competing currencies and severe consequences to public officials for violating their oath of office!

if we have sound currency then government will be restrained by limited budget.

we follow the advice...

of Thomas Paine and we "remake the world anew". Or at least our nation. Local currency begins to arise, barter is revived, people start to "support local". A free market evolves with both swindlers and honest men. You vote clearly with your own "dollar" and we begin to rebuild. Unfortunately and for benefit as well, death, and destruction are passages and part of life. Let's get living.

Assert Your Authority

Assert Your Authority

Ah you forgot one important thing

We don't have to do anything to make this happen. The Fed will bankrupt itself. And just about everything you list out there will come down in a long chain reaction. The thing is we have to be educated and ready to educate so that we don't have to go through a long train of socialist "fixes".

You forgot one step. I got a couple bottles of old scotch waiting for the fed to collapse. I will throw the best party I can when it does. I am sure plenty other will too.

A couple of bottles of old scotch will go a long way

toward solving all the problems!

BTW, I love scotch!

here here

For Freedom!

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Problem is I have troube saving it

For Freedom!

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

photosynthesis

First, we accept the global domination of a scientific dictatorship that enforces both the rights and the limitations of many, small nation states.

Second, each nation state supports the carrying capacity of its own population using the natural resources inherent in its geography...which predominantly involves a livelihood based on photosynthesis...family farms, hunting, gathering, technology supported by solar power.

Third, trade among the nation states is quite beneficial but it must be restricted to actual commodities...and never a currency of exchange, despite the inconvenience involved. Sometimes, inefficiency is the healthiest way to impose restrictions on growth.

Heh! That was pretty funny!

You should be a comedian, or I should actually say that you already are!

Then we go back to

basics. We do it right. We follow the Constitution and let the markets work, keeping corporations out of Government. Instill in people a sense of self respect and personal responsibility. Let hard work be rewarded and encouraged. Let charity begin at home and be helpful to those in need. Let charity be voluntary not demanded, it will encourage people to action and not expect the government to do what each of us should be doing.

Like General Smedley book title " War is a Racket" be the guide to how we proceed on what NOT to do with our military. We do not use the military to be the strong arm of corporations or to invade countries and set up bases. We do not send in "Economic Hit Men" from the cia to destroy economies of other countries.

We return to the premise that America does not start wars and absolutely not preemptive strike. We have the return of the PEACE officer and not the cop or pig or whatever else they are called. Get rid of their threatening ugly black uniforms that invoke fear in the population.

If we are in this together we don't need to strong arm the population give the people a chance to discover their responsibly to themselves and their community and stop looking for a government that will treat them as children. Just my two cents

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

Then we start living

The steps you outline would take 20-30 years so we'd have a little time to work out details. Unless everyone's comfortable now, cause we could do nothing and let the smart elites figure it out for us.

Well, it does take a little time

for even a dog to heal up when you pull alot of ticks out of him.

After a few days, however, he's feeling much better.

Believe it or not,this country was very successful before the FRN was ever invented, and before there was ever an income tax, and before there was property tax, and before there was "licensing", and before there was "Social Security" or 401-k plans, militarized antagonistic police thugs, etc.

We had sound money, didn't stick our noses into everybody's business, lived our lives the way we wished, and knew what living like a free person was all about. The limited gov't was just that. Limited.

But, it seems nobody knows about that now. If they don't have a nanny's tit to suck on, or a stock market to gamble on with fake money, or a giant corporation to "work for", they don't know what to do.

Sad, really.

you seem to be equating the

you seem to be equating the extreme anarchist position with the Ron Paul position.

Ventura 2012

No,

I'm just trying to figure out where some of the members of this forum stand.

Some of the members on this site

think your asking stupid questions deserves stupid answers.

oh, ok. When you said "we" I

oh, ok. When you said "we" I assumed you were talking about the movement as a whole.

Ventura 2012

We embark on a neo-renaissance

We continue to educate and make a case of Mises economics on a global scale, we restructure the power grids, more independent, more wind and nuclear power, more trains, we end the war on drugs, and work at being part of the solution... legalizing cannabis and employing hemp as a natural resource.

Well..... just initial thoughts....

We go back to having 50 independent states, each governing itself and choosing it's own priorities. The only link between these states being an agreement for "national defense". There would have to be some agreement on trade, both within the 50 states and globally..... some currency used, but WITHIN each state the people can decide on any form of payment they want. They could make it legal to trade service for service, chickens for goats, etc. if they want. They each decide on their own Constitution, their own state militias, etc.

It would be a challenging thing to do..... and many will whine and not be happy because we have all grown up in an age of statism.... but it would reap great benefits I think. Almost a dream that we cannot imagine being true. And the saddest part is.... that is how it was SUPPOSED to be right from the start.

_________
A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land,
Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods,
But It Is A Principle......
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle .
- George William Curtis

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

>We go back to having 50

>We go back to having 50 independent states, each governing itself and choosing it's own priorities. The only link between these states being an agreement for "national defense". There would have to be some agreement on trade, both within the 50 states and globally..... some currency used, but WITHIN each state the people can decide on any form of payment they want. They could make it legal to trade service for service, chickens for goats, etc. if they want. They each decide on their own Constitution, their own state militias, etc<

In other words we would have 50 INDEPENDENT BIG GOVERNMENTS, 50 different laws, 50 different FDAs, EPAs, 50 different constitutions, 50 times more education departments, 50 times more border checkpoints, 50 times more immigration and security agencies, 50 times more trade regulations...

in other words 50 times more ways to screw up little man ....

I lived in such system ... to travel from Warsaw to Lisbon I had to apply for a half a dozen permits (visas)... if you don't like to live in a state you were born you can always apply for immigration visa to Montana, New Jersey or illegally cross Mississippi River border and become illegal Iowian in Illinois...

Yeah... multiply independence 50 times and you will be "free man"... you will not be forced to pay federal income tax but tariffs and your property taxes will probably double...

how many of these redundant

agencies already exist?

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

National defense?

Many on this site have a real hate of the military ... what kind of 'national defense' would they envision?

We don't hate the military

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

A lot of us are former military, please retract that statement. We support our military, but only for defense, not offense. The military has a meaningful use, but has been manipulated and twisted to further the elite's agenda of world domination. The military is not the problem, it is the people controlling our military who are the problem.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I will NOT retract that statement!

I am former military also (Air Force), and I am completely fed with all the negative posts on this forum about our troops!

You say,
"We support our military, but only for defense, not offense."

You may not have heard this before, but the best defense is a strong offense!

you sound like a Neo-Con.

seriously