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Very Quietly Obama's Citizenship Case Reaches Supreme Court

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AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's
qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of
Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts
from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript indicates that
Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign
student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was
released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit
brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.
The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was
awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation
Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim
foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun
that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence
that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying
for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a
firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about
Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for
comment in London , where he has been in meetings with British Prime
Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.
Britain 's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article
titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the
story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the
U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups,
Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to
hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in
a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's
dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.
Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof
of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of
the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their
investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama
has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven
law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his
personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still
ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney
general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

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It first surfaced on April 1

It first surfaced on April 1, 2009. It was never on the AP site or in any actual newspaper or website associated with AP that I know of. APRIL FOOL.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

Need to post links

If you want credibility - you need to post links so we can research.

Detective Krum Investigates:

Detective Krum Investigates:

Need to post links

Apparently some people need to research & VERIFY things BETTER since the SECOND paragraph on their website refers us to an "The European Union Times".


Last week an article ALLEGEDLY by Chuck Baldwin entitled “IS OBAMA REALLY PREPARING FOR CIVIL WAR?” extensively cited an “article” from the "The European Union Times".

Given the POTENTIALLY explosive & incendiary nature of the “information” & since I had never heard of "The European Union Times", I immediately did a GOOGLE search for it

Strangely enough, I found that the "The European Union Times" website has a .com extension which indicates an American based website. An aside from their website & the UK edition of the TIMES, this came up.


“Stormfront” a KNOWN “White Supremacist” site that is apparently the group BEHIND "The European Union Times" (AKA a “front”).

Patrick in California

"It isn't the jumping that kills you. It is the sudden stop."-Unknown

Please post any citing or

Please post any citing or links to documentation to corroborate this information? It surely must be exciting news to all those have fought tirelessly for disclosure of such records if this is accurate.

Actually, this brings up another point?

What is Obama spending millions on exactly?

A. legal fees??? but what are his lawyers doing that costs so much money to suspend the law and prevent this disclosure? isn't it illegal to NOT disclose??

B. bribery????

C. other???

Questions to THINK about

HOW does the length of time one has been on a forum affect the VERIFIABLE facts & law that they post?

Does the FACT that one is new to a forum mean that they are not KNOWLEDGABLE about the SUBJECT?

Is it possible that many people do NOT regularly post on this forum because of the LIMITATIONS of it compared to Yahoo Groups?

Do the FACTS & LAW in the matter mysteriously "change" because of the poster?

Does the FACT that one has been on a forum for a long time make UNVERIFABLE BS that they may post make it any more CREDIBLE?

Could it be possible that the REASON that the "freedom movement" has made LITTLE or NO PROGRESS be because many people do NOT RESEARCH & VERIFY things for themselves & INSTEAD act on DOGMA, RUMOUR, MYTHS, SPECULATION & INNUENDO?

Are many people suffering from COGNITIVE DISSONANCE?

Cognitive dissonance is a psychological state that describes the uncomfortable feeling when a person begins to understand that something the person believes to be true is, in fact, not true. Similar to ambivalence, the term cognitive dissonance describes conflicting thoughts or beliefs (cognitions) that occur at the same time, or when engaged in behaviors that conflict with one's beliefs. In academic literature, the term refers to attempts to reduce the discomfort of conflicting thoughts, by performing actions that are opposite to one's beliefs.

In simple terms, it can be the filtering of information that conflicts with what one already believes, in an effort to ignore that information and reinforce one's beliefs. In detailed terms, it is the perception of incompatibility between two cognitions, where "cognition" is defined as any element of knowledge, including attitude, emotion, belief, or behavior. The theory of cognitive dissonance states that contradicting cognitions serve as a driving force that compels the mind to acquire or invent new thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so as to reduce the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions. Experiments have attempted to quantify this hypothetical drive. Some of these have examined how beliefs often change to match behavior when beliefs and behavior are in conflict.


Patrick in California

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."--James Madison

I believe this article has

I believe this article has been around before and is most likely not credible.

On the other hand is the BO has nothing to hide concerning is birth records why has he spent million$ hiding them?

Sorry just a repeat of above

Sorry just a repeat of above comment

Could someone edit the post

Could someone edit the post and remove all the extraneous carriage returns? Also, why no link?

Drain the swamp!

"You can't handle the truth!" - Jack Nicholson

Obama was not born in America. If so, produce a birth certificate. Simple.
Our Gov't perpetrated 9-11 for various reasons (too numerous to list).
Our Fed is controlled by Jewish foreigners (most board directors have dual citizenship in Isreal-why?) Why all the Jewish names? Why not Spanish, or Japanesse?
The 2 party polical system is one in the same, much like a staged wrestling match.
We are marching towards a world government because the poor old American is just about worn out from taxation and unemployment. They need new fodder for the fire, and that would be the world populace, not just Americans. Get it? A tax on everybody and everything. They're making it all "legal" through cap and trade, and a climate tax-ughhh.
Congress is full of scumbags (perverts, liars, cheats, womanizers, theifs) Yes, your State's rep. too. This pretty much holds true with the lone exception of Ron Paul! What's a citizen to do?

alan laney

Agreed, think you hit all the points perfectly especially the

the last point concerning our honorable "scumbags" in DC.

" The force of a correction is equal and opposite to the deception that proceded it"
B. Bonner

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell


You must be related to Hal Turner, we see who you are and don't fool us.
Go back to your blog disruption business or better yet get a real job.


This does

Raise an interesting point to ponder-If Obama is truely a naturalized citizen and he recieved a grant as a foreign student under a different name, Wouldn't this be fraud ?

" People grow through experience if they meet life honestly and courageously. This is how character is built."
Eleanor Roosevelt

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I"m sure you realize that

I"m sure you realize that this OP is a hoax. Its long ago been disproven. There is no such group as Americans for Freedom of Information. With that said, yes, it would be fraud, along with the 39 social security numbers he's used in the past, some with made up addresses to go with them. The SS# he currently holds, was issued in 1890 in CT to a Lucille Ballentyne, who has an indirect connection to Obamas grandparents. Soooo . . . he has committed fraud in numerous areas, but because it affects all American citizens, and not just one in particular, no one can get standing in court.

Blessings )o(

Blessings )o(

This does

You mean the ALLEGED “Smoking Gun” which was a really a SMOLDERING TURD?

Its yet another RUMOUR based on an APRIL FOOL’S JOKE about a supposed AP story that Obama attended Occidental College on an ALLEGED “Fulbright Scholarship” which is for FOREIGN STUDENTS.

The claim is that Obama received a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students, proving that he is not a U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be president. Supposedly this was reported by The Associated Press. But the claim is false and the story is a hoax.

People should really learn to RESEARCH & VERIFY things, otherwise they will keep falling for the SAME BS.

Patrick in California

"It ain't what ya don't know that hurts ya. What really puts a hurtin' on ya is what ya knows for sure, that just ain't so." -- Uncle Remus

Of course it's FAKE. People

Of course it's FAKE.

People should download this manual from the U.S. DEPARTMENT of STATE & read this for themselves.

It should put an END to a lot of people's QUESTIONS & BOGUS “arguments” that have been “floating” around.



a. U.S. citizenship may be acquired either at birth or through naturalization subsequent to birth. U.S. laws governing the acquisition of citizenship at birth embody two legal principles:

(1) Jus soli (the law of the soil) – a rule of common law under which the place of a person’s birth determines citizenship. In addition to common law, this principle is embodied in the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the various U.S. citizenship and nationality statutes.

(2) Jus sanguinis (the law of the bloodline) – a concept of Roman or civil law under which a person’s citizenship is determined by the citizenship of one or both parents. This rule, frequently called “citizenship by descent” or “derivative citizenship”, is not embodied in the U.S. Constitution, but such citizenship is granted through statute. As U.S. laws have changed, the requirements for conferring and retaining derivative citizenship have also changed.


From WHAT I have seen, all of the “birther” claims & arguments are NONSENSE, as people who take the TIME to actually RESEARCH & VERIFY things for themselves will quickly find out.

There is NO "magic" formula. If you are BORN on U.S, soil, you are a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

To me, there should NEVER have been a “controversy”.

If Obama was BORN in Hawaii in 1961, then he IS QUALIFIED to serve as PRESIDENT.


IF you believe the information on the Certification of Live Birth and/or the VERIFICATION from Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health is CORRECT; then you ALREADY have your EVIDENCE that Obama is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN & is qualified to serve as PRESIDENT.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”


If you DON’T & you believe that there is a “conspiracy” & a “cover-up”; then it’s likely that NOTHING short of a BURNING BUSH speaking or a FLAMING HAND writing on the wall that will CONVINCE you.

And since NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE has surfaced to show otherwise, it appears to me that he was born in Hawaii.

Unfortunately, many people have been EXPOSED to an intense PROPAGANDA & DISINFORMATION campaign & do NOT realize it.

They have been hit with POLITICALLY driven media that has SPAWNED many RUMOURS.

They have been hit with IDEOLOGICALY driven media that has completely MISLED people about the LAW & the QUALIFICATIONS for PRESIDENT.

They have been hit with PROFIT driven media that has PROMOTED & REINFORCED the ALLEGED “controversy”, “conspiracy” & “cover-up” & then MADE MONEY by SELLING them stuff to protest it.

They have given CREDENCE to DOGMA & a number of RUMOURS, UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS, and outright DECEPTIONS.

And they have given CREDENCE to a number of FRIVOLOUS lawsuits that have filed by people who have NO STANDING.

It’s called the MUSHROOM EFFECT. CLOAK them in DARKNESS & FEED them BS.

Patrick in California

“ASSUMPTION can be very COSTLY to MANY and very PROFITABLE to a FEW.”–PKM

Thanks for the enlightment Newbee , you jumped right in here

with 1 hour and 5 min.under your belt. Please post a copy of his actual birth certificate ( similar to what I had to show to prove my age for property tax exemption over age 65 ). The tax appraisal district would not except a letter from Dr.Fukino or my 98 year old mother.
Thank you and welcome to the show.

" The force of a correction is equal and opposite to the deception that proceded it"
B. Bonner

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

Yes, this story is a fake;

Yes, this story is a fake; however; being born on US soil does not make you natural born.


Updated : After checking your status I see you have been a member for only 30 minutes.

Yes, this story is a fake;

Yes, it does.

Read the Department of State Handbook on ACQUISITION AND RETENTION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP AND NATIONALITY I posted a link to.

The “Natural-Born Citizen” PROPAGANDA INFORMERCIAL that “claims” that for one to be a “natural-born” citizen, BOTH parents must be U.S. CITIZENS is COMPLETE BS.

The “grandfather clause” was NECESSARY simply because NONE of the FOUNDERS were NATURAL BORN CITIZENS of the of the United States since it did NOT exist as an ENTITY until 1781 when it was CREATED by the ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION.

The “claim” that the SOURCE of the MEANING “natural-born citizen” in AMERICAN LAW is Emmerich de Vattel’s, Law of Nations is a LIE. The TRUTH is that the “natural-born citizen” clause of the CONSTITUTION has ALWAYS been based on ENGLISH COMMON LAW & the MEANING of “natural-born” is taken from that.


SUBJECT TO ANY FOREIGN POWER does NOT mean WHAT they "say" it means & has been taken OUT OF CONTEXT.

It has NOTHING to do with any other CITIZENSHIP one might have.

Sec. 1992 of the U.S. Revised Statutes (1866) was NOT to prevent anyone who was subject to the jurisdiction of any other country from holding the “highest office of the land.

Sec. 1992 of the U.S. Revised Statutes (1866) is NOT “part of our constitution & the law of the law”. The 14th AMENDMENT is.

It is actually PART of the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1866 & its PURPOSE was to give everyone in the United States EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW & it has since been CODIFIED as 42 USC 1981.

Congressman John A. Bingham of Ohio was the primary author of the first section of the 14th amendment & was RESPONSIBLE for the CHANGE in language between it & the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT (Sec. 1992 of the U.S. Revised Statutes).

John McCain was NOT BORN on AMERICAN SOIL. Senate Resolution 511 was done ONLY because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 to American parents & so it was NECESSARY for the FACTS constituting his eligibility for the Presidency to be established. The ISSUE was his PLACE OF BIRTH that was the ISSUE & so he would NOT be considered a “natural born citizen” UNLESS he met certain CRITERIA.

The promoters of the “natural-born” citizen argument have been referring to two different acts in order to “try” to “prove” their point about the ALLEGED “requirements” of PARENTAGE & they quote the following text:

the actual text of the FIRST CONGRESS in 1790 states, "...children of citizens (NB: plural, i.e. two parents) of the United States...shall be considered as natural born citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (FIRST CONGRESS Sess. II Ch.4 1790, Approved March 26, 1790, pp. 103-104. Document margin note: "Their children residing here, deemed citizens." Document margin note: "Also, children of citizens born beyond sea, & c. Exceptions.").

the actual text of the THIRD CONGRESS in 1795 states, "...children of citizens [plural, i.e. two parents] of the United States...shall be considered citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (THIRD CONGRESS Sess. II. Ch.21. 1795, Approved January 29, 1795, pp. 414-415. Document margin note: "How children shall obtain citizenship through their parents" Document margin note: "Former Act repealed 1790 ch.3.")

What they CONCEAL is that both are Acts “to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization” & had has NOTHING to do with CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH on AMERICAN SOIL.

READ them for yourselves.



They are citing the EXCEPTION to the RULE which is NATURALIZATION, rather that the RULE which is CITIZENSHIP by BIRTH, in order to “try” to “prove” their point.

“Restore the Constitutional Republic” is the originator of the video The “The Liberty Tree” is their NEWSLETTER


And in it they use use RELIGION is to CRAM their LIES down people’s throats.

“Yes, brothers and fellow ministers in Christ Jesus Our Lord. Our Lord preached to the people of his day, but He intended His words for all of us throughout the ages. And when he preaches against hypocrisy in the clergy of Israel, we would do well to see that His words will not condemn us, the Christian pastors of American today!

Now just as we speak out, and rightly, against any small injustice in our local community, the cure of which demands our voices be raised in condemnation, so we are more obliged to speak out and raise our voices when the injustice is more grave and widespread.

And just as a crime against the entire Nation is far more grave than the crime against one individual, so must our voices be more prompt to speak out to defend the rule of law and justice for all, than even for one individual, without neglecting anyone.

And so it is, that I call on you my brothers in Christ, to confront a very inconvenient and untimely injustice against the Supreme Law of this land, the United States Constitution, against her free people, whose freedom is bound up with this Constitution, and against our freedom and liberty guaranteed by that Constitution.

The U. S. Constitution requires, in Article II, Section 1, paragraph 5, that “no one but a natural born citizen . . . shall be President” of these United States of America. Now the Supreme Court of the United States has already declared the rule for understanding that constitutional requirement, when it ruled: “The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now,” in South Carolina v. United States, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905). And the meaning of the requirement, “natural born citizen” was already defined and well known by the time our Founding Fathers penned the Constitution. This notion is defined in Emmerich de Vattel’s, Law of Nations, the 1758 edition of which, was used by our Founding Fathers to craft the Constitution: “A native or natural born citizen, is born in the country, of parents who are citizens of the country.” (Book I, Chapter 19, paragraph 202(212). Barrack Obama does not meet this requirement, because he publically admits that his father was a British subject at the time of his own birth. — Shall we, then, say, “Amen!” to this?”



And “Restore the Constitutional Republic” considers those who DISAGREE with them & their “beliefs” as TRAITORS & COCONSPIRATORS.

"Today is the third day of Tyranny and Usurpation. We cannot sit silent any longer, but must stand up and publicly rally against the dictatorship of Barrack Hussein Obama.
We must introduce bills of declaration and resistance into the legislatures of every state, and by the votes on them, thereby know and discover which of our states’ representatives remain loyal to the Union and Constitution (who approve such bills), and which are thereby traitors and coconspirators (who disapprove of such bills).



They whole thing is a PROPAGANDA & DISINFORMATION campaign designed to get people to trade "their tin foil hats" for WHITE HOODS.

Patrick in California

"It ain't what ya don't know that hurts ya. What really puts a hurtin' on ya is what ya knows for sure, that just ain't so." -- Uncle Remus

Funny that you think people here like McCain

You'll learn. We seek truth, not politics. John McCain was the same thing as Obama---a corporate tool.
I'd like to see Obama's college records. I'm wondering how his grades were. Clinton's were funny. Bush's were boring. Obama spent over a million dollars keeping his sealed. Weird.

Just Show Me the Birth Certificate

I have spent my whole life having to show my Hawaii Birth Certificate for many reasons.

It is so easy to get a copy of your birth certificate in Hawaii.

I was born in the same hospital as Obama about a year later.

My birth ceritifcate looks like these (look about halfway down the article...)

Just show the dang birth certificate so we can put this minor distraction behind us. (It is the unwillingness to show the birth certificate that is the issue with me. Why.)

I subscribe to the Canada - Washington State theory myself.

please stop posting ...

this absurd old news ...which is RUBBISH......

This is a hoax

Blessings )o(

Blessings )o(

I disagree.

I think this issue bring brings even more focus on qualifications for holding office, and Schwartzenegger will never have an opportunity to become President, just like it states in the Constitution.

How it could ever be construed that focusing on the potentially(and probable) unconstitutional nature of Obama's Presidency, would somehow create ANY condition that it would lead to wholesale allowance of anybody from anywhere being President, is quite the galactic stretch of imagination.

The Duopoly... the Democratic and Republican Partiers

More specifically, the neoliberals and the neocons in the GOP and the Democratic Party, want a NWO and a leader...

These folks have been playing a game called: The other party did it first. In this case, since Obama's citizenship.. especially and I believe it will be WHEN the news breaks that Obama is NOT constitutionally qualified, and Democrats play the tape of Bush saying the Constitution is a GD piece of paper... what could [possibley hold Arnold Kennedy nee Schwartzenegger back?

Holy ess-aych-eye-tee Granger -

Is THAT what the whole OBOMBA-Jewish bag is about??? To get this SCHWARTZ-n-N*GGER actor-foreigner-EGOMANIAC elected as President? (subliminal conditioning). We always knew how OBSESSED & INFATUATED he was with the Kennedys!!! He even had to MARRY one.

Gag. Especially what's happened to the Golden State under his "guidance."

Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica

Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica

I think so Lacandy

He has said it's a goal, to be preisdent. There's even a YouTube.. he has had a presidential committee fo awhile.. and look at CA

It would be in the G8.. who needs the USA? CA does not. Arnold is ready, willing and able to play HARDBALL, not with just Obama, but Netanyahu, Putin, Armedejahad, and China, Taiwan, Japan...

Only one man stands to win the Obama birther argument, and that's ARNOLD... he smokes a joint and builds a bigger war on drugs, he drives a hummer and tells everyone to go green...he's GOP and LOVED by every POWERFUL Democrat and Republican. he's already king.

How about a Obama Arnold race in 2012? Media, which Arnold rules in some ways, would LOVE it.. I can see Jon Voight all over this...and the new movie "Atlas Shrugged"... perfect for the cfoming out of Arnold as John Galt in MSM