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About the RETARDS fist-fighting about Immigration reform. Short brown people are not the problem. NWO is.

Some people on the pro immigration camp are retards as are some on the tea party side. Those are the people that we can count on to distract the most gullible of us from our real objective... defeating the NWO, regaining sovereignty and ending the banking cartel that is the Federal Reserve.

People and particularly conservatives have always had a racist streak in them; it has come out with every immigration wave. The Irish suffered it, as did the Germans, the Italians, and the Polish. Now the Latinos are suffering it.

Immigration, legal or illegal, can't be stopped; Because in order to stop it, we would have to turn this land of ours into a police state. Immigration is the natural state of life; we as humans always strive to be in a better place.

But as always, we can count on the retards on each side of the debate to fight each other with their fists, and on many people being distracted by it.

ALL EYES ON DECK> We are not fighting short brown people; WE ARE FIGHTING THE NWO, CORRUPT POLITICIANS AND THE THIEVING BANKING CARTEL.




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Illegal Immigration is

destroying this country. If wanted to live in Mexico (or wherever), I would go live there.

I have a problem with this thread in that it is like the anti-Christian threads. The title of the thread involves a puerile epithet all in caps designed to be inflammatory.

My impression of the video/incident in question was that the pro-amnesty commies were out there exercising their right to free speech and someone from the other side went to document what the commies were doing, was called a racist, and was physically attacked. Some Obamabots on the comments for this video on YouTube claim that democracy and free speech were good ideas, but were never intended for "racists" and "tea baggers" who mistakenly believe they should enjoy these rights. The issue was one of Leftist violence and intimidation. It had nothing to do with "brown people." It is offensive of you to suggest this as is the phrase you used to describe immigrants.

You do not to get to define Liberty for everyone else. It is a vague term with no fixed definition vis a vis policy. Moreover, some people are out to expunge the Liberty heretics -- Liberty heretics are those who disagree with the views of a Liberty Inquisitor -- or perhaps the Inquisitors are just using Liberty to stifle certain views. I am firmly anti-immigration and firmly pro-Liberty.

Come on Libercal... it was pure instigation....

One does not go right in the middle of a crowd in these circumstances unless one wants to instigate a fist fight.

You absolutely know that nothing good came out of that fight. All it did was to further polarize people. It gives the media the opportunity to demonize all tea party people. Is it not retarded to instigate a fight and attract bad publicity for the tea party movement?

We have just so much energy and must prioritize, we can't be out there defending every... ok, person who instigates a fist-fight, had they come to him it would have been a different story.

Let's keep our eyes on the price, the FED; the one institution that allows government to spend money on the welfare that attracts bad immigrants, that allows the US to go to war, that steals our money to the point that we have to look for scapegoats.

You want America back? Let's end the FED, let's elect constitutionalists and bring back power to the states. That is plenty fight for me right now.

"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

I'm so surprised to find so many believers of LIBERTY HERE!

When I posted this I thought that most people would jump in and just scream bloody immigrants at the top of their lungs.

I'm very nicely surprised of how many people here believe in true liberty and know that it is an uphill fight that leaves space for other people'ss freedoms, including that of movement.

It was surprising to hear so many people hear make coherent arguments about what fundamental FREEDOM is and clearly making the point that it does not come from government.

I must admit that I was afraid that the 'must use guvernment force, authorite and your papers please,' somewhat fascist, part of the freedom movement was bigger. It is so pleasant to see that we have such an educated in FREEDOM principles group of people here! We have a lot of work on educating the tea party people!

Nicely surprised indeed to see that so many people know that freedom does not come from the end of a government gun and who understand that the underlying issue is one of socialism and welfare at the federal level.

We must continue to fight our loss of sovereignty by educating the people around us about FREEDOM, the constitution and the NWO. A BIG CHEERS TO THE DAILY PAUL! CHEEEEARRRS!

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

I am learning that THEY

create the crisis then when people want something done, they implement actions that don't solve the problems but builds a police state structure.
This I have learned from you guys, and thanks for helping me learn.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

The conditions in Mexico are pretty bad.

The economy is in shambles and the environment is horrible. I think the NWO is making things bad on purpose to drive them here. Who would want to leave their family and all they know to move 1000's of miles away for economic reasons? Of course, they give them even more incentive to come here by giving them freebies. End the incentives and they won't come but the gov't isn't going to do that.

AGREE - Stop social program incentives & Anchor babies

nospeaka -

cut the benefits of being here ILLEGALLY!

- no automatic citizenship for anchor babies and ultimately their parents and extended families

- want to have a baby here...register to have it! one baby on the US dime might be permitted, but like China, #2 isn't allowed and if you have one, it's on your dime and no schooling, no WIC money, no welfare PERIOD

i was just in a car accident...stopped at a red light and slammed into at 35 mph. totaled my car. the driver...you guessed it...UNINSURED hispanic, PREGO, with outstanding warrant and criminal past. likely here as an UNDOCUMENTED illegal...but no proof here. just another fact that when you live in a Sanctuary City, there is no means to ask for citizenship documents when involved in accidents/crimes/warrants for arrest etc.

for the PREGO hispanic driver that hit me, she will likely be on WIC and other welfare lists for handouts...and will be birthing the baby at the County Hospital.

so i end by saying this...

--while on the birthing table, TIE THOSE DAMN TUBES as PAYBACK for all the future tax burdens she and the kid will cause us.

--END long wait times at Grocery Checkouts by taking away the 'plastic food stamp card' and 'WIC Coupons' that need special handling...seems that every hispanic family I see in SoCal pulls out a wad of bills for 'non essentials,' a 'plastic food stamp card' to buy essentials and with 4-5 kids in tow, a bunch of damn WIC coupons that need validation. Take it all away and start now!

i'm so done!

nospeaka

>i'm so done!< Good you are

>i'm so done!<

Good you are done ... if you continue I would puke on monitor...

If only we had ID chip implanted how easy it would be to solve all those problems you described...

The USA now has 307 million people.

Is it possible to have representative government with that many people? Of course not and diversity makes it worse, The elites play one group against another and rule all.
When the race card is played the elites are just saying those who oppose them are evil. People working for their self-interest are now called evil.
The real reason the elites have always supported immigration, illegal or legal, is it keeps the cost of labor down. For the bigshots it means cheaper workers and servants.
They're working for their self-interest but when others do the same, they're instantly called racists. You're being scammed folks! Smarten up!
And this nonsense that illegal immigration can't be stopped without a police state is nonsense. President Eisenhower stopped a similar but much smaller problem in months. It was called Operation Wetback.
There are those who read that name and are shocked, shocked enough to yell "racist". How terrible, calling lawbreakers a name.
Eisenhower,by in large, didn't go after the illegals. He went after the enablers.
All the President of the United States has to do is announce thirty days from now those who employ or house illegals will be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Believe me, business owners are greedy not brave. They couldn't care less about illegals. Without jobs or housing illegals will head home, just like they did in the 1950's.
I once worked for a company, when they felt threatened got rid of their illegals in less than 24 hours.
We've see it before when illegals are sent packing, unemployed Americans line up to apply for the jobs.
The tragedy today is those who believe doing what's best for the vast majority, who support representative government, and the rule of law are routinely caled racists (evil). Even people who call themselves libertarian buy the nonsense.

Illegal immigration and the Solution:

I listened to our CC2009 delegates speak on the immigration problem today. What I heard was everyone recognized that there is a big problem with illegal immigration, not our current immigration law. The questions, therefore, are: 1. why do we have illegal immigration? and 2. how do we stop it? The delegates answered by saying Mexicans come here because of greater opportunities (better jobs, free welfare benefits, free schooling, subsidized housing, etc.). If we can, as American Citizens, exclude illegals from the benefits of our society: jobs, schools, health care, housing, transportation, etc., they will have less incentive to travel northward. . Furthermore, by bringing all troops home from foreign lands, they could help protect our way of life through patrolling our borders and rounding up illegals each day for deportation. It is disrespectful to jump to the head of any line. For Mexicans or any foreigners seeking respect via immigration, the law must be honored. A relevant film presentation on the Drug War was also discussed at length. The consensus was to eliminate prohibition of drugs for a safer, healthier, and more prosperous society.

"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner

"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner

Even Ron Paul says that if

Even Ron Paul says that if we cleaned house financially and downsized our empire we could utilize immigrants in our country.

This video is a good example of what the NWO wants Americans to do -- fight each other so that the NWO goes un-noticed.

And in this case the Tea Party counter demonstrators started it. They deserved the ass kicking they got. Stupid shits go in out manned and talkin' shit. I would have hammered them too if I was an amnesty protester exercising my right to free speech.

My 2 cents.

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Well

There is a country here.
And a country means borders.
And border jumping is border jumping, no matter what the color of the illegal jumper.

So the whole "racist" bullshit is just that, bullshit.
It's a canard.

In case you haven't noticed it, it IS the NWO that's promoting this border jumping. It's a pact between the PTB involving the US and Mexico, to create the Trilateral Commission's project of the NAU, in preparation toward a New World Government.

You make the usual ignorant(or agent) mistake of acting like you don't know the difference between "immigration" and "border jumping".
So, you're the retard. Or the NWO shill.

Oiga borisimo...skin color ( nor statue ) is not the problem...

problem is the collective ignorance. The wave of illegal immigration is being converted into a NWO freedom bashing, economy killing, army.
So easly munipulated...so cheaply bought off & led to serve our enemies.
*** This is "dilution of patriatism" is necessary for ""democracy"" to function in it's final goal of destroying a REPUBLIC.

It is not exclusive to the USA either...this social dilution" is being carried out worldwide. Here in Costa Rica the steady flood people from Nicaragua & South America has tripled the crime rate in the cities...cut wages in half for most working class Tico's...and created ghettos where once was beautiful coffee plantations or orchards.

There is "positive immigration and negative immigration" ... motor oil is not motor oil...dig it ?

Discover Costa Rica

Discover Costa Rica

alot of truth in what you say

While the anti-illegal ( and maybe legal) immigration stance is a populist conservative winner, but in the end, is self defeating.

I agree ending the welfare state, and the war on drugs would take care of about 80% of the problem.

The other problem that the populists don't recognize is that we have greatly reduced the birth rate in the U.S. - Without immigration, we would have zero population growth, maybe even shrinkage. This would make it impossible to support the growing number of senior citizens dependent on medicare and SSI. Immigration ( both legal and illegal) have kept these solvent for a longer time.

Funny, but many talk about the NWO wanting to reduce the population. I actually think that the reverse is true. They want to increase the population, particularly of the more dependent, less educated humans. This means sustainable money and control for them.

Now they have been killing off the middle class all around the world - those people that had the abilities to oppose them. And repopulating with people that are more dependent on them. The cycle continues - as the current crop of immigrant families begins to succeed, they will be replaced by new immigrants from poor countries.

real sustainable free market economics - that is where the average person looks much further ahead when making decisions, is the main thing that will combat that - but that is being regulated against.

Watch me flip flop here

OK, the "AMNESTY" issue is different for me. Brown people are not the enemy, but they are trying to grant blanket amnesty and get a LOT of people on entitlement programs to help break the economy. THAT I oppose. No shooting at people over skin color, but no "amnesty" so that the rich can rob from the working poor to give the the non-working poor.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

How about this for a solution?

End the entitlement programs.

If you have freedom of association as it's claimed, you really ought to be able to invite anyone from anywhere to come live on your property and/or work for your business without having to obtain permission from anyone nor face any kind of penalties should you decide to do so without seeking that permission.

I will get on board with that

I have not seen that movement holding any rallies yet...
I do NOT think the "amnesty" is the big picture, or even a big piece of the puzzle, but whenever people get a little piece of it, we need to stand with them. Pat them on the head, "Good boy! You are thinking now! Isn't that fun? Now, lets try THIS thought on..."

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Here's what I find somewhat amusing

From Amendment 1 to the US Constitution... Congress shall make no law respecting ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

Where's the part in the US Constitution that restricts where those people I wish to assemble with are from? Furthermore, even if such a part of the US Constitution were to exist, wouldn't that mean that 'the people' don't have any right to assemble with other people except as permitted by the government, making the part of the 1st Amendment I posted above nothing more than an outright lie?

The problem is

the COURTS don't follow law.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

you believe wanting people to obey the law makes one a racist

and then you try to take aim at some vague organization: NWO

Tell me, what is the NWO?

Also, when are people not obligated to obey laws? What other laws should we ignore?

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Actually....

The law is codification of the racism. An unjust law should not stand.

In a way, it is understandable. I have talked about this form of collectivism being in our nature. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be better than our nature.

Further, the only real problem with immigration is the welfare state. End it, and there is no more argument. They come and benefit us, or they don't. But we seem to have less of a problem with Citizens stealing from us than we do with immigrants stealing from us, in the form of welfare, I wonder why this is. All theft is wrong and we should stop the theft, period.
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So we shouldn't have borders? Well that's an NWO goal.

So laws protecting our borders shouldn't exist? Okay...but that means there is no nation...cuz (pssst), people and culture make up a nation, not land.

And remember who you are speaking to. I sort of like the concept of a World Order. I don't assume the NWO is inheriently evil...merely a natural progression of the evolution of civilization.

So, if you guys want to make the USA one giant pussy for anyone who can get to it and fuck it, go ahead.

The quicker you do that, the quicker the North American Union can be established...the quicker you will have to use the Ameros...and so on.

And I'm not being sarcastic. I know how many waves of illegal immigrants there have been. This is different. These are our neighbors who are hell bent on keeping their language and their culture. Also, they are actively taking back land on US soil that they think are theirs.

If you don't draw a line in the sand here, you can kiss your seemingly precious sovereignty goodbye.

>So laws protecting our

>So laws protecting our borders shouldn't exist? Okay...but that means there is no nation...cuz (pssst), people and culture make up a nation, not land.<

OK... if people and culture make up a nation so why we need borders???

... fences are necessary to keep cattles and prisoners... even invisible fences were invented to restrict freedom of chicken,pigs, cows and dogs... Monsanto, Baxter and Bank of America will create a lot more laws that protect your borders...procreation will be patented... only genetically modified semen will be allowed and to protect contamination of such semen vaccination sterilization will be mandatory... in what other way we can protect dogs and other livestock from rabies and assure pure culture... I mean.. pure breed...
Bank of America will assure your borders will be controlled by very comfortable leashes imported from China...

You are for free market competition... right ??? Why you are afraid of cultural competition ??? You can't be sovereign and slave at the same time... and if it is true that those thousands of poor sometimes illiterate illegals are taking back land on US soil it is not their fault that owners of this land are dumber than them and sold their rights to Corporations.

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We have always been...

a melting pot of sorts. We have no culture other than what past immigrants, and the few natives left, have provided. The promise of America was always that the strong, hard working, would do well, and the lazy and inefficient would do poorly, so if you wanted to bust your ass and do well, come on over. Those people are what have, and would make us strong. The problem is that our welfare state encourages laziness, and for people to come and plunder. Whether they are citizens or not, theft is wrong.

A nation is it's people, you are correct, but it is irrelevant where those people are from. Their strengths strengthen us, and their weaknesses weaken us. Therefore, we should work to attract the strong and discourage the weak as we have always done in the past, before the welfare state came about.

But keeping them out because you don't like the way they speak, or the food they eat, is well racist, even if it is the guise of the "law". The law is racist.
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Our founding principles are our culture

It floors me when people say we have no culture.

Just look at the founding principles that made our country great...THOSE make up our culture.

It is the very reason why there are Conservatives. We are trying to preserve that culture, those founding principles.

It is what draws us to Ron Paul.

Jeez...why are you even here.

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Founding principles...

Are not culture, they are a mission statement.

And we have no culture because we are only 200 some odd years old, born from scratch. Or more specifically, born of the various nationalities who immigrated here. And therefore, their culture, is our culture.

I am here because I believe in freedom for all people. Why are you here who only believe in freedom for a specific class/designation of people?

And to disallow other people's because you fear being contaminated by their culture, is one of the purest definitions of racism that exists.
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LOVE IT! How about those tall brown people, though?

It is OK to assume they are ALL bin Laden, right?

THANK YOU for this.

And the funny thing is, if we REALLY want to worry about someone, we might want to take a gander across the other ocean at all those short yellow people. ALLLLLLLLLLLLL those short yellow people are ready to kick our ass economically, and we are watching fat white people demand socialism...

Now, NO!!! That does not mean it is OK to go start shooting little yellow people. It means we better start making stuff. Now. Good stuff, too.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

I think we should deport

I think we should deport over 300 millions illegal Americans. They stole land from Native Americans...killed them with diseases and put them in reservations...

and after a few dozen years those "settlers" declared that from now on only born in America have a right to live here...

To assure greater FREEDOM in the LAND OF FREEDOM a few centuries later NEW OWNERS of America created NAFTA and in this way such words as Liberty, Freedom and Free Market apply only to cattle, bananas and other commodities.

Trading slaves is not included in NAFTA... this trade should be regulated by permits issued by INS.

Some people who hate statism, government regulations, FDA, CIA . Patriotic Act and Border Patrol checkpoints are full of love and support of rounding up people and deporting them just because they don't have state issued birth certificate that specify where they were born... for some of those freedom lovers even such certificate is not enough and they want to seek birth certificate of their parents... pretty soon they will request grandma's...

I understand those "freedom lovers"....

.... they want to do this not because they are racist... no... they are doing it because they are scared to death about their jobs...those freedom lovers are for free market... not free workplace...for their personal freedom no freedom of other people...

NEW OWNERS of this country prefer using slaves in China, Indonesia or even slaves that live in Mexico or other Salvador... and if those illegal immigrants will take over all the jobs that still exist in this country... meat packing, nursing houses, lawn mowing, berry picking or janitorial positions... what would be left for legal American slaves ???

Just wonder what Anarchist or Minarchist position is in regard to Immigration and Naturalization policy... round them up and deport them ? Issue national ID cards implanted at birth time in hospital for all legal American Slaves ???

Are they illegal??? Yes they are as illegal as those colonial settlers were...

Maybe they will not place us into reservations...

And while we're

at it, we can deport the millions in Central and South America that aren't native back to Spain. Give the land back to the Mayans, Aztecs, or Incas. Oh wait, they were virtually wiped out by greed, war, and disease. You want to talk about colonization of land already occupied? Please.

I've never stolen anyone's land.

I've never killed anyone.

I am a native American - I was born in Philadelphia, PA.

No borders and no passports.

People should be free to come and go wherever they choose.

Abolish the welfare state and this can happen.