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EASY way to prove government trickery


Anyone can do this, and everyone should try this. the worse case is the letter gets returned for postage due. (FB and Wolfe especially)

Take an envelope, place a letter inside, put a 3 cent stamp on it, address it to someone "outside of the United States" which means any of the 50 states, and not in Washington D.C., any military base, any federal zone, NO ZIP CODES

Here is an example address

Bill Griffith
3521 Fort Street
Seattle, Washington
[zip exempt]

your return address should not contain a zip code either.

The last thing you need to do is write:

First Class Non Domestic
bk.12 Statutes At Large
Chapter 71 section 23
37th. Congress Session 111

If you use a zip code or 2 letter abbreviated state, IT WILL BE RETURNED...

Ive tried this many times over the past months to trouble shoot it,
I purposefully used zip codes on some, and ALL were returned, I used 2 letter state abbreviations on some, and all were returned.

For larger packages the rate is 3 cents per 1/2 oz. in addition to the original 3 cents (i believe)

Send a letter to your friend today, THEN tell me this is not true.


Because, this will prove to many nay-sayers:
1) that the zipcode "makes" your address a federal zone.
2) that the 2 letter abbreviation is seen as a "federal State"
3) That the post office is a corporation and is tricking the average American into using 42 cent stamps, when only a 3 cent stamp is required.
4) That all 50 states are "without the United States".
5) And that common knowledge of government is OFTEN misunderstood.
6) that the "United States" can mean the "federal Government"

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"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

Juliusbragg, I copied and

Juliusbragg, I copied and pasted your statements on the team law (dot com ) web site. I am not a member yet. Got a 'board warning' for posting. However, some one replied to my post, so they could not delete it, ect, ect,.... I got an E-Mail FULL of "constructive Consultation". ( that the political correct way of saying, “ass chewing”). Basically, they stated that the 2 cent rate is for addresses within your city (postal carriers route) and that for all other areas it is 3 cents. I will forward their e-mail to you if you can e-mail me at Dallas county@live.com or through the DP contact info. I would like to forward it to the site you have mentioned for their review. I am all for lower postage, but want to stay within the law(s) even if it means an extra penny. LOL

Call me if you would like 417-345-0069 or e-mail dallascounty@live.com

YOUR servant for freedom, Clay Carey

interesting...either way, if

interesting...either way, if you stop and think of what this means, it is amazing.
1) The Post Office is acting in both a constitutional capacity, AND in it's new corporate capacity.
2) That the government is complicit when it comes to tricking its Citizens.
3) That the Post Office is aware of its trick.

I wanted to add, I have sent

I wanted to add, I have sent 23 letters with the 2 cent postage. All were received without a problem. I feel I should go pay the post office the other 23 cents I apparently owe them?

worth a shot!

DP thank you post cards should come like this!

I'm gonna try...


Keep this going till more tests are reported. I like my carrier too much to do this until I see more reports of it actually working. Sorry Julius, no offense - just being careful.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

Good stuff julius. I have

Good stuff julius. I have not tried to use the lower postage when mailing things, but I have switched over to the non-domestic mailing method for my correspondence. Funny thing is that the USPS wouldn't be getting hurt too badly financially if the 2c were still tied to the silver dollar. They would be getting pretty close to their present fiat rates for domestic mail.


fiat money is the problem

"if the 2c were still tied to the silver dollar."

Legalize sound money. End the Fed.


Will have results by early next week. Sent one locally, one to another republic (state).

Perhaps we can manage to send Christmas cards again. :-) We stopped several years ago because the post was just too dear. If first two are successful, will send cards and post results.

Phil. 4:13

dont forget, if you use the

dont forget, if you use the zipcode, it will be returned. I just did a test 2 weeks back. I sent a few pictures and letter to michigan, with the zipcode on it. It was returned and said "postage due $1.01", I had 1, 2cent stamp on it.
I took a black marker and crossed out the zipcode and added 6 more cents of postage, and resent it. it arrived 3 days later.

I don't get it juliusbragg

on the 2nd attempt was it 4 cents of over kill?

From the postage due in fiat land

From the postage due in fiat land, it seems as if his letter was over 1/2 oz. 8 cents will mail 1.5oz letters. So if his letter was between 1 and 1-1/2oz, he had no "over kill," but rather correct postage (2c for the 1st 1/2 oz, 3c for each 1/2oz thereafter).


thanks republic!


republic is correct!! I

republic is correct!! I think it calculated to 7 cents, all I had was 2 centers...sadly I wasted 1 cent worth of postage:):)

Is it UCC-1-308 or USC?

I'm putting UCC.

it's UCC...not sure why it

it's UCC...not sure why it says USC??


I think it stands for United States Code.

UCC Uniform Commercial

UCC Uniform Commercial Code


We tried this and the letter was received the next day. Will spread the word. Thanks.

try it many times to prove

try it many times to prove it's not a fluke,

then, try it using a zip-code, and you will see it get returned, this is because the zip code, which is NOT mandatory, places you in a Federal Zone, and thus subject to the Commercial Post Office, rather than the Constitutional Post office. see:

Only Congress can set the price of a constitutional post office, BUT, since "THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE" is a corporation, similar to UPS or Fed-Ex, it can set any price it wants....and if you dont express that you want to use the Constitutional post office, then you are defaulted to the corporate POST OFFICE:
Also Traded as US POST OFFICE

Count me in....what's your

Count me in....what's your address? LOL

Man, I love this:

My brain is already on overload trying to learn stuff about titles, straw men, fictional vs. non-fictional. What the hey! Might as well burn it up completely.
Not sure how many cells are left from the 60's or 70's anyway. heh heh heh

Wish you were my neighbor Julius

I love my country
I am appalled by my government

I love my country
I am appalled by my government


where do you write the following? where the stamp goes, or what?

First Class Non Domestic
Without Prejudice
bk.12 Statutes At Large
Chapter 71 section 23
37th. Congress Session 111

I usually write it on the

I usually write it on the right, under the stamp...see the link above

how does this prove anything?

maybe your postmaster just doesn't feel like picking up the phone and dealing with nonsense and just forwards your mail

Haaaaaa...I was thinking

Haaaaaa...I was thinking that you would have a response like that. You just think there is NO way the government is acting beyond its authority, dont you?

Why did they take the time to return the 12 letters I sent, where I DID use a zip code and state abbreviation? perhaps coincidence?

lastly, did you happen to read the postal codes from the link I provided?

o.k, that wasnt last., Why do you always disagree with fact? I can see you thinking the Strawman theory is absurd, or that 911 was NOT an inside job, or even that the Federal reserve isnt a private foreign owned bank, but why dont you accept the laws and case law they are written?
ie "national banks cant lend credit", or:
"[at 12 Stat. 705] SEC. 23. And be it further enacted, That the rate of postage on all letters not transmitted through the mails of the United States, but delivered through the post-office or its carriers, commonly described as local or drop letters, and not exceeding one half ounce in weight, shall be uniform at two cents, and an additional rate for each half ounce or fraction thereof of additional weight, to be in all cases prepaid by postage stamps affixed to the envelope of such letter, but no extra postage or carrier's fee shall hereafter be charged or collected upon letters delivered by carriers, nor upon letters collected by them for mailing or for delivery.

Julius: Question

If I have a 100lb grandfather clock I want to mail to my nephew (UPS and US Post Office want $700 to $1200 to mail it) what you are telling me is I can do it for $96?

$96 (1600oz = 100lbs -- $.06 per 1oz -- 1600oz X $.06 = $96)? Is that correct?

Have you tried anything "big?"

If this were true we should go into the shipping business -- we would only need to get packages from locations (personal or business) to the Post Office -- We could make $Millions by under-cutting UPS - Fed Ex.

*rubs hands greedily*

Or am I getting ahead of myself?


I think there is a max of

I think there is a max of fifteen lbs....Not positive

Max weight for single piece

Max weight for single piece parcel post is 70 lbs. Perhaps a few tests on some larger weight parcel post items are in order. Although it seems that the 2c(for the first 1/2oz) + 3c/(additional 1/2oz) would be $67.19 for a package that weight.