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Rand Paul: Try, Convict and Lock Up Terrorists In Guantanamo

Rand Paul: Try, Convict and Lock Up Terrorists In Guantanamo

Published on 19 November 2009 by admin in General News

For Immediate Release
November 19, 2009

BOWLING GREEN, KENTUCKY – Leading United States Senate candidate Rand Paul today criticized the Obama administration’s decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center and try terrorism suspects in United States Civil Courts.

“Foreign terrorists do not deserve the protections of our Constitution,” said Dr. Paul. “These thugs should stand before military tribunals and be kept off American soil. I will always fight to keep Kentucky safe and that starts with cracking down on our enemies.”

Dr. Paul believes in strong national defense and thinks military spending should be our country’s top budget priority. He has also called for a Constitutional declaration of war with Afghanistan.

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Nonintervention should not be conflated with intelligence....

I believe nonintervention should not be conflated with intelligence gathering and detaining enemies of this country. i have read michael scheuer's writings and i believe that most of the mistakes in dealing with terrorists/enemy combatants/heinous criminals or whatever you want to call them, has resulted from administrations in the white house politicizing and cherry-picking information. innocent people winding up in guantanamo is the result of the politicization of the war on terrorism and not letting the intelligence services work properly as michael scheuer describes. this is a separate issue and should be dealt with. however, to simply close down guantanamo and to go out of your way to extend rights to heinous criminals is just silly and i believe rand paul is correct in this matter.

Not innocent

Personally I think most of the people in Guantanamo bay were actually arrested for attacks or conspiracy to attack the US (am a psychic), I dont think its actually that hard to find people shooting at the US army.

But how do u prosecute someone attacking an occupying force stealing liberty and treasure (iraq oil contracts) from their country? They are guilty of one thing and that is fighting for freedom, get out of Iraq and free them and if for any reason they decide they want more fight with the US, then arrest and prosecute them in military or civilian courts

interpretation

let's just cut the bullshit and state your view.

-you want gitmo to stay open
-you want the detainees to be locked away forever, regardless if there are any innocent men being held.

now to address the rest of your meandering packaging of your two simple statements:

ok. so you think people are conflating, i.e. BLENDING the concept of nonintervention with intelligence and detention. Not sure how you arrived at that concept. Sounds like you're conflating regulars on the DP for ignorant slackjawed idgits, except that you'd be wrong.

well let's just kick the thought that anyone's blending/conflating/fusing what-have-you, right in the nuts.

I totally disagree. People around here have very STRONG OPINIONS on intelligence gathering and detention, independently arrived at over the course of many many in-depth discussions, taking place over weeks, months, years. Which you might have known had you spend some time reading through the archive.

All you have to do is go to google and type in:

nonintervention site:dailypaul.com

or

detention site:dailypaul.com

There's no conflating going on here, on this topic. And as far as your theory goes about how this would have gone a lot better had the administration just let the intelligence agencies "work properly" ...I think you're high.

I don't know where you came from, but before you dive in and post anymore, you may want to spend a month or two reading through the archived articles and postings.

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On November 22nd, 2009 clint4liberty says:

It is clear Rand Paul is right on the issues save one. I stand behind Rand Paul for US Senate except one issue. Please do not allow Trey Grayson to slip back into the lead after Rand Paul just took it. By the way, Kentuckiana Grassroots Radio is covering the End the Fed Protest Live from to 2 PM to 3 PM on Sunday, November 23rd. Click here to listen: http://www.blogtalkradio....
I also encourage everyone to listen live or later on via archive to Norm Davis Interview on how to work on issues for liberty and putting egos aside. Mr. Davis will be on air Monday night Nov. 23rd from 6:30 to 8:00 PM Eastern Time. Anyone may call-in 1-347-637-3086 or e-mail: kymattsingleton@yahoo.com
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can we condense this matter all into one thread?

Michael,

is this a possibility? And just delete any redundant ones and put them under the same thread? There are so many other pressing issues. I think it is only fair for other topics that need to be addressed, i.e, FED audit, economy, global warming, gun rights, and other pressing issues.

Disappointing

“These thugs should stand before military tribunals and be kept off American soil." - Rand.

Here's the problem: the people being detained at Guantanamo Bay may very well be completely innocent. We don't know because they're denied due process, habeas corpus, and the right to defend oneself against their accusers. We do know that the process by which many were brought to Guantanamo Bay is flawed. The US military offered rewards for bringing in terrorists, but what would stop somene from kidnapping an innocent man and telling the US military that they are a terrorist? What would Rand Paul tell an innocent goat herder or farmer who has been rotting in Guantanamo Bay for the last 8-9 years? Good luck at the Military tribunal? This is a violation of basic human rights. Rand is definitely a Neocon on this issue. And I think this will really hurt his chances of pol;itical success because the neocon philosophy of "giving up liberty for security" is ver, very unpopular.

Let me get this straight

If your dislike Rand Paul you're going to support who? No one? Grayson?

Rand is the man for liberty.
Unless you're going to vote for Grayson. Then you're just here to demolish Rand Paul's support.

Interesting...

A member for less than an hour and a half?

Hmmmm...

Don't feed the trolls!

We are under assault

by grayson trolls. who knows, maybe by becomign imposters and typing what they don't believe in, they might actually wake up

Ofc he must be a Greyson

Ofc he must be a Greyson troll for criticizing Rand Paul, no chance that hes a libertarian Ron Paul supporter visiting a Ron Paul site. Another thing I dont understand is why are you guys quick to pass the mantle to Rand Paul and not people like Peter Schiff, Harris or even Gary Johnson.

Not exactly, juleswin.

Someone isn't necessarily a troll because they criticize Rand.

However, when someone who has made little or no contribution on the forum becomes active just to do something like that, it is rather suspicious, and even if it is not part of some concerted effort on the part of ~opposition~, it is in poor taste.

Rand has the best chance,

raised more money and is ahead in the polls. Schiff is polling at 4% Harris is around 26%. I do agree we should be supporting Harris more with our donations, i can only recommend Harris put out more videos of his Campaign. I don't think i have seen one speech from him, sorry i tell a lie, i have seen 1.

Rand is also a worker, he gives us a lot of updates on what he is doing almost on a daily basis, you can feel he is doing a lot and working hard. I can't say the same for the others. Not that they are not, they are just not promoting it as well, so we don't know.

As for Gary, he is not running for anything, he just set up a PAC i think. he might soon, but not much we can do except wait.

As for Rand, i truly believe he does not mean what he says, and is pandering to the voters. He has gotten to the point where now he wants to win and is afraid to lose imo. For someone that has never run for office i would say he probably does not know how to handle the incredible situation he finds himself in, and is in real danger of loosing because of his lack of experience.

All i can say is cut the guy some slack, keep supporting him even if is compromising on his integrity a little. and make sure he knows that we know he is compromising and never let him forget it but don't pull your support.

It is not a choice between lesser of two evils at all, Grayson is 1/1000 of what Paul is don't forget that.

??

"I do agree we should be supporting Harris more with our donations, i can only recommend Harris put out more videos of his Campaign. I don't think i have seen one speech from him, sorry i tell a lie, i have seen 1."

Have you even done the slighest bit of research on the liberty candidates? Visiting their websites is a great starting point.

http://rjharris2010.com/media.asp

There are enough videos, interviews, and blogs on that site to keep you busy for months.

"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises

6

i only see 6 vids of which i have seen them all. not sure which ones you are talking about. If you would be so kind as to point me in the right direction as i would very much like to see them. thanks

19 Videos ... 4 Interviews

On the left side of that page are links to seperate categories with various other videos.

There are also dozens of blogs and positions on the issues written as well at other locations.

Just navigate the site. You can always go to the guys YouTube page too http://www.youtube.com/rjharris2010

"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises

huh

Excuse me? I'm not a grayson troll. I don't hate Grayson but I disagree with him on most issues. I really am anti-torture, anti-war, anti-empire, and I destest neocons. I don't believe we should sacrifice liberty for security, and I don't believe we should deprive people's rights for 8-9 years without due process. How would you like to be locked up without an opportunity to defend yourself? I'm not saying Rand is a neocon but he is acting like a neocon in this instance.

Thank You For Your Contribution to this discussion

Patriots' struggles are not easy. We will get through this. Open discussion is the hallmark of democracy. It is reasonable cry out for explanation. Thanks for your help.

Waterboard Rand Paul 183 times

within 30 days and he will swear to you that Barney Frank has the nicest set of natural teeth on Capital Hill, or whatever else you want him to say.

I feel sorry for Michael and those who are genuine defenders of the Constitution, there's so many unscrupulous people here that it's starting to stink.

that's a pretty dumb

that's a pretty dumb comment.

detracts from the sincere viewpoints on both sides.

1 Gallon of water

and few seconds I'd have you calling that THE greatest comment you've ever read before, and I'd still have 3/4 of a gallon left over.

Whenever you decide on getting 'sincere', you let me know and I'll be glad to show you.

The problem is that the viewpoints of both sides are bogus, there is no such thing as the 'war on terror', it's a gigantic fake bogey-man conjured up to scare people like you.

You don't have to feel sorry for us,

because while we may have been disappointed in that one confusing text. I am encouraged by this video of RAND. Rand understands what is happening and he is NOT turning his back on the Constitution or his supporters. Just my two cents.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/115581

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

this is where RAND differs from Ron.

at least in Language. I don't think they are far off, but I believe that Congressman Ron chooses to portrait his foreign policy as anti-war, anti-nation building and anti-empire, YET he sometimes forgets to state that he is for a STRONG national defense. We know he is but his message sometimes gets lost.

I've heard Dr. RAND speak about how he feels that his father could have done a better during the 2008 election stating his case because many Republican Sheeple mistakenly assumed Ron favored a Liberal Idealogy dismantling our military.

Regarding the 9/11 Detainees, I see both sides of the argument. We could open a can of worms with a trial on our soil, but if someone commits a crime on our soil, they should be convicted here.

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Ack (as bill would say)

I think many of you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Surprise, Rand isn't Ron! And if he honestly believes the basic and generally accepted explanation of 911 then he probably feels compelled to support the premise that KSM and company are a form of war criminal. (personally I would support open trials for all involved, including Bush and Co)
My belief is that he isn't comfortable with Gitmo but feels the quickest way to get resolution for the accused is by military tribunal. Not very fair, but there it is. If you think that the USGOV is gonna take one for the team on Gitmo then you have another think coming.
Rand is trying to get to Washington primarily for MONETARY issues. In this, I totally agree with him. This country can survive Gitmo (albeit with a tarnished visage) but we will falter and fail if our dollar goes Wiemar on us.
So, as a recap; Surprise! Rand may be doing a small bit of politicking to attract more voters. Personally I can accept that with no problem.
For those of you who think that Ron Paul hasn't paid the piper occasionally I offer my heartfelt sympathy. Growing up is a painful process. May I suggest a quiet evening listening to Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor, Op. 23. This has often brought me solace when the world gets too large.

And finally, for the person who made the statement about someone blowing up a Humvee in Iraq or Afghanistan. Do you think these people are criminals? Are they not Patriots of the highest order, defending their country from an illegal invasion? Would we still condemn them if they had blown up one of Saddam's or the Taliban's patrols?

Neocon in sheeps clothing?

The wars are already a top budget priority and have helped bankrupt us. Any informed person knows by now this is only enriching corporations and private interests and our legislatures invested in the war machine. It is totally staged.
Sorry Rand. You might be RP's son but you are way off track.

No, Rebel...

...you're way off track.

If you want Republican primary votes, you say what they want to hear.

And, to be far, if you look at how the Federal government is supposed to be, it's only primary purposes are to maintain a standing army, and coin money. Therefore, in a Constitutional government, most of the budget taken from tariffs, excise taxes, etc. would go towards the military.

No, Nidhogge...

... you're way off track.

You can still be strong on national defense while still being principled and sticking to the constitution.

We cannot just give Rand a pass on this. He needs to come out and clarify his position. If his position is one that he doesn't support due process for all individuals... or believe in natural rights for all humankind... then I must pull my support for his campaign. At the foundation of this debacle is the question of whether or not we have natural rights because of government and law/luck in where we are born, or if they are fundamental inalienable rights.

"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises

Not quite.

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, Signer of the Declaration of Independence, VP of the United States 1813-1814, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

Don't some people just make you pissed

I sometimes think we have a bunch of Obama mania people here who support Ron Paul. They never think through their own words, just come to crazy conclusions by misrepresenting what another person says.

Every few months I seem to get really annoyed by something, this is one.

I get it.

Also ,even if he does support these diabolical wars, he's still the best man running in the Rep race.