help wanted: taxes
As the economy flounders, some Ron Paul supporters within my circle who woke up after an immense personal tragedy which devastated them financially and closed a 401k after leaving a company now find themselves owing an enormous amount of taxes they can only pay with great difficulty, if at all. Now penalities are building. Has anyone here experienced this, and does anyone have any legal or financial advice? I may sound naive, but I've also been caught in the tax pinch and found that the penalties were ridiculous. Amazingly, we got out of it but only barely recovered, if we did. Over and over again I see that those already suffering economically are hit by the IRS gang. My friends are people who have been through a tremendous amount of suffering, and they've never taken government assistance. They've also been harrassed in their area for their Ron Paul bumper stickers.
I know there are DPers who refuse to pay taxes, but I am not sure this is a possibility for these people now. Is there something else they should know? Is there some kind of support network for people who are caught by these thugs?
401k Dispersements in Same Tax Year
If you are talking about taking 401k money out this year (sometime in 2009) then if the money is rolled over into a qualifying plan then there is no tax liability. If the company disbersed the 401k they are supposed to withhold 25 or so pct from the disbersement. If they didnt then you just roll all of over. Keeping the money is worse than paying it back. The penalties are onerous once you go past the year the disbersment took place.
So there is no way you can have a tax problem form 2009 for a 401k disbersement during 2009.
I am assumign you are talking about some other detail and not the simple problem i just described.
Get advice from a true professional. HR block and all those guys in strip malls are not a good source. Those place are only for sheeple.
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Just to clear a few things
Just to clear a few things up here:
The 16th amendment being properly ratified has little to do with income taxation, because the amendment was already ruled by the Supreme court as conferring no new powers of taxation....
This meant, and means, that if you didnt owe taxes before the 16th amendment, then you dont owe them after...THE reason it could matter, is that the IRS often claims that their power to tax is derived from the 16th amendment, although, they KNOW that it is not. It is easier for them to claim the 16th amendment gave them the taxing authority, than to say the truth, which is that Income taxes apply to anyone in a public office, any foreigner contracting or working for the U.S. (government), or any CEO of a corporation.
The IRS works by contract, and when you fill out a tax form, such as a W-4 form, you are actually 'electing' yourself to public office, the presumption of you being a Federal Employee is further bolstered by your Social Security number, that ALL federal Employees are required to have. In fact, by having a social security number, you are considered "Federal Personnel":
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/5/usc_sec_05_00000552---a0...
(13) the term “Federal personnel” means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits). <----------Social Security is EXACTLY that, and you, are NOT required to have a social security number, unless you are a fed. employee.
This is part of the problem with income taxation, People fill out a form without reading ALL of the by-laws and definitions surrounding the form, they THEN sign their name under 'penalty of perjury', then they declare that they earned "income"....then they want to fight the tax, wont work!!
They signed a contract to deal with the IRS, the elected themselves to public office, they hold and use a social security number, no wonder they are presumed to be a federal employee, thus subject to taxation....You cant expect to get benefits, without paying for them. The social Security number is a benefits program, things like, credit, pensions, medicaid, health care, tax rebates, cash for clunkers, ALL of these programs require a social security number, without one, you WONT get those privileges. SO, if you want the privileges, keep the number, but you must also pay the privilege tax!
So....
are you out of the system? Do you pay income tax?
Last year I sent mike lawson
Last year I sent mike lawson a copy of what the IRS sent me. Perhaps he will share. I have no social security number.
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They must find a true tax attorney
This attorney can mount a offer in compromise. It worked for me about 10 years ago. There was no way a wage earner could have ever paid back 257,000 not counting penaltiess or interest, to the IRS. It was not easy but it worked. The stress was almost unbearable, but it worked.
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They need to learn about privacy and protecting their assets.
http://www.howtobeinvisible.com/index.cfm/page/how-to-be-inv...
They need to learn about how the courts system works.
www.richardcornforth.com
They need to understand that while the IRS is very scary, they really only want to go after the easy targets. "In practice the application of criminal penalties is infrequent. in fiscal year 2009, the total cases referred for prosecution of legal source tax crimes were as follows:"
* Investigations initiated: 1,531
* Indictments and Informations: 757
* Convictions: 666
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-27692-LA-County-Libertari...
In some strange way, the #
In some strange way, the # of convictions seems to be fiting for the IRS.
Continenetal Congress
Continenetal Congress addressed the issues of Federal Income Tax and have declared them null and void becuase the 16th amendment was never legally radified. Go to their web site http://CC2009.us
http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/notratified.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2398389779813975826# ( 1 1/2 hour video and how to avoid paying taxes) Enter at your own peril.
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ask wolfe and FB...they'll
ask wolfe and FB...they'll tell you "everyone owes income taxes no matter what, and there is nothing you or anyone can do"
http://www.sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/TradeOrBusScam.pdf
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Great minds think alike. I
Great minds think alike. I was sending him here....
http://www.sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/TradeOrBusScam.pdf
Also go to your library and try to find a copy of U.S. Senate Document #240. If you are successful, make certified copies and post them here. Very few copies seem to be around for some strange reason? It's a commission report from the 1930's. Their conclusion? To paraphrase....the 16th and 17th Amendments were NOT properly ratified and are null and void. I heard about this document from a Red Beckman interview with Gary Franchi. I am looking forward to 'digging' through my local library soon.
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