Is EVERYONE protected by the U.S. Constitution?
The recent post and comments about the terrorist suspects at Guantanamo have reminded me of a favorite technique used by the NWO to subvert the constitution and our national sovereignty.
Have you ever noticed how quick the political establishment and their MSM shills are to mix "human rights" with references to "constitutional rights" when discussing FOREIGN detainees?
They LOVE to blur the distinction between U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries. It really doesn't matter whether they are on U.S. soil or abroad, whether they are here illegally or legally, whether they are native born American citizens or someone who has declared himself to be a sworn enemy of our country; EVERYONE (supposedly) is afforded all of the "rights" of U.S. citizenship.
The bottom line is this, when they have convinced us that everyone should be treated the same, there is no purpose to our citizenship or our precious constitution.
THAT is why they are so quick to defend the "human rights" of mass murderers, not because they are such great humanitarians.




















Natural Rights
I think the concept of Natural Rights transcends the Constitution. God/nature gave us our rights, not a piece of paper (it just affirmed and protected them).
Thus, all people should have "Constitutional" rights.
Unless we are at war...
"its just a G** d*** piece
"its just a G** d*** piece of paper "
-george bush
I agree with you, but we
I agree with you, but we still have to respect international law, and remember that US citizens were/are in Guantanimo.
Ventura 2012
14th Ammendment Citizens are not afforded the same protections
as American Nationals.
The Liberty a society retains is inversely proportional to the number of Lawyers in the Government.
The Liberty a society retains is inversely proportional to the number of Lawyers in the Government.
"To Whom Does the Bill of Rights Apply?" by Harry Browne
"The important point is that the Constitution doesn't apply to Americans, it doesn't apply to citizens, it doesn't even apply to "people." It applies to the federal government. The body of the Constitution tells the federal government what it is allowed to do, and in some places it explains how to do it (election procedures and such). The Bill of Rights tells the federal government what it is not allowed to do . . ."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/browne/browne27.html
Please clarify.
Is your argument that the NWO has the media saying that everyone should be entitled to the same treatment as US citizens, and you disagree? You think only citizens should be entitled to Constitutional treatment? Or do you think "they" are trying to do away with Constitutional discussions altogether?
And is this only pertaining to criminal trials?
I don't mean to antagonize you, I just don't understand your post.
Happily...
Dilution is a trap.
For example, when everyone is responsible, no one is responsible.
That is why a stranded motorist may wait longer for help on a busy street at rush hour than on a lonely highway in the middle of the night. (In the first instance, every passing motorist thinks that someone ELSE will help them.)
Similarly, when everyone has rights, no one has rights. Only an all powerful, global government can insure "universal rights". But such a government is the quickest way for us to lose ALL of our liberty.
That is why our founding fathers formed a federation of states rather than a monolithic centralized government.
And that is why we have been so successful (despite the erosions of this last century) at preserving the individual liberties of our U.S. citizens.
I hope that helped.
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."
Very important question.
Thank you for bringing it up. I'm very interested in what DPers think. I have not thought a lot about this yet.
Do we want nations to be virtuous?
- let us begin then by making the people love their country; but how can they love it,if their native land means no more to them than it does to foreigners, and if what it does for them is only what cannot be refused to anyone?
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
The Social Contract
Exactly...
The U.S. SHOULD be an example and an inspiration to the rest of the world.
We should NOT be "nation-building" or trying to impose "democracy" on any people who are not ready to fight and die for their own liberty.
As nice as it sounds, we cannot GIVE "peace, freedom, and prosperity" to all of the people of the world.
The very best we can do for them is to restore our own Republic.
After all, isn't that what this website, Ron Paul, and the freedom movement in general is supposed to be about?
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An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.
Natural Law and Natural Rights
http://jim.com/rights.html
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."
When you get right down to it, the Constitution is ineffective
in protecting most of our rights.
You only have the rights that a large majority of citizens insist upon, and these is dwindling daily.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
Thus the reason for the
Thus the reason for the CC2009. To bring us back to the Constitution so that the people once again carry the power in this country, and only then are we able to retain our rights. You should really support the hard work they are doing to try to protect you and your family.
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The Constitution limits
what the Fed Govt can do. It has nothing to do with who they can do it to. If they do it without a legal sanction, they are doing it as private citizens.
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Thank you.
That is a very concise answer.
BINGO
Every DPer should read this post.
Depends on where in the Constitution U look--Persons or Citizens
The Privileges or Immunities Clause is Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution. It states:“ No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States ”
14th Amendment elsewhere says :
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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I am not a lawyer,
but in the context of what I just read in the 14th amendment above it sounds like they're talking about "citizens" when they go on to say persons.
Thank you very much for posting this.
Ah yes, the "wonderful" 14th amendment...
This is the darling for those that want to centralize power and subvert the rights of the individual states established (or more accurately, reinforced) in the 10th amendment.
Like the "general welfare" clause, this has been used and expanded to eviscerate the original intent of the U.S. Constitution and turn it into a "living document" that is Play-Doh in the hands of the NWO.
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http://jim.com/rights.html
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."
There are 51 constituions in this country
There are 51 constitutions in this country. Each of us is "protected" by two of them.
The first is our individual state constitution. The second is the Constitution of the United States.
Each of these describe the limits of government in certain areas. It is the limits on government that by contrast give us our rights.
It really does not matter whether they are a US citizen or not. The State (ie, government) has rules of conduct. The state cannot violate these rules. They apply to the state, not the individual.
As far as other "rights" such as voting or participating in social programs, these are justly conferred as benefits of citizenship.
News flash
Comments like "The bottom line is this, when they have convinced us that everyone should be treated the same, there is no purpose to our citizenship or our precious constitution." really illustrate how screwed some people are in the head.
Do you honestly believe because of the patch of ground you were born on you're somehow any better or entitled to certain 'rights' than somone born elsewhere isn't? I have a news flash for you....you're not.
I did not say I was "better", but I DO have more "rights"...
Our forefathers (and, yes, MY forefathers) fought and died to establish and preserve these united States as a NATION with a Constitution.
We have natural rights as distinct from constitutional rights, but recognizing the difference between them does not diminish either.
I may not be "better" than a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Mexico, or Denmark; but I DO have a U.S. citizenship that is distinct from theirs and worth preserving as a separate entity.
If that bothers you, you will find plenty of sympathy and support for your position in the Council on Foreign Relations.
http://www.cfr.org/
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An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.
Natural Law and Natural Rights
http://jim.com/rights.html
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."
The CFR sucks
In fact, anyone who claims to have any 'authority' over anyone else that is established and maintained by force sucks.
When we first invaded
We flew planes over Iraq, dropping millions of pamphlets all over the cities to let the people there know we would be back shortly to round up terrorists and that anyone who would help us find the terrorists would be given what is to them a small fortune.
This created a finger-pointing frenzy - everyone pointing a finger at everyone else, for no other reason than to get their hands on monetary reward. Those who had fingers pointed at them were snatched up off of the streets, with absolutely no investigation into the accusations against them, and whisked off to a military prison. All it took for them to be arrested and branded as terrorists was a pointed finger.
Now it is being said of many of these "terrorists" that they are too dangerous to ever be tried OR released. So we have a military prison full of people with no formal charges against them, and who will never have a trial to determine whether or not the charges against them might be true, and who will never be let go.
Constitution or not, this is WRONG to do to ANYONE, ANYWHERE in the world, for ANY REASON! We see the detainees as terrorists. The rest of the entire world sees US as terrorists.
I bet your attitude will be different if/when this happens to us on our own soil, which may not be too unrealistic in the near future.
If i'm not mistaken
The bill of rights are unalienable rights granted by our creator. So, the distinction must be in who created these mass murderers, correct? So only those people created by OUR creator are eligible for human rights. Glad you brought this to light. Why even bother with a trial for mass murderers anyway. since they're mass murderers already, a trial would be redundant and we should do away with them immediately, or at least as soon as we've obtained information from them with whatever means necessary. Remember, being born to a certain person or certain geographical area mean inherent birth rights above those of all other human beings. It's a good thing we fought for our independence from royalty.
We hold these truths to be self evident
That all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Edit:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/115368#comment-1253243
Thanks, you beat me to the
Thanks, you beat me to the punch on that one! LOL
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