I watched the video of the video stalker videoing Rand Paul "flipping pancakes at the Lions Club" or it might have been his church. Guy wouldn't say a word, just stood there behind the camera like a pile of crap.
They should have picked him up and thrown him out. LOL !!
Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow
Would have been interesting to see how my magistrates and judge executive responded to Rand's speech! I've been hanging out at Fiscal Court for the past year or so, and they all knew I supported Ron..... I'm glad Rand's giving em a dose of Constitutionalism :)
rand is a george carlin fan, therefore awesome
and 99% is still an A =)
The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!
My first post here. I've lurked a long time, always in doubt that there is any hope of beating the system.
I was starting to get a ray of hope with the polls on Rand. But now he makes one comment that is questionable, and the obsessive-compulsive perfectionists are beating him up.
Apparently a guy can be 99% right, but that isn't good enough. So the alternative is to allow the people who are 1% right to get elected.
Thank you for confirming my original doubts - now I can quit wasting my time here.
is something you are well versed in!
try being proactive and not reactive, that would be a good start...
if your preconception is that this site is a waste of time perhaps you are not yet fully awake
there is an old saying we have here in tennessee...you need to "poop" or get off the pot!...meaning, you are in the way and not being productive
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its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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Not everybody her is Throwing Rand Paul under a bus.
I agree with you. 99% right or 1% right. That's a big choice.
Let's support Rand Paul
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when the grassroots were busy collecting hundreds of thousands of signed petitions delivered to the congress to audit the fed? or do you only lurk when idealistic talks come up?
They are not trivial matters.
Hope may not be lost if he can satisfactorily clear things up.
hey amigo, don't be too hasty.
we're dealing with important stuff, and people lose their minds some times.
it's all gonna work out. trust me.
rand will either win or he won't. we don't have control of that. Kentucky does.
All we can do is just do the best we can. This crowd is diverse, an even if you have 100 posters upset with Rand, remember, they actually have a good point, even if they are going overboard.
The other thing to remember is that there are THOUSANDS of DP visitors and members. I read posts on here all the time, that quite frankly, I'm not so interested in. But it doesn't distract me from the main purpose.
To preserve what's left of my liberty.
And this is one of the best places for that. This place is a hub to a lot of other great things. websites, podcasts, newsclips, youtube bites, extremely well read opinions, etc...
Just breath. It's gonna be fine.
comments. I think it is just the way that some people vent. In a ideal world we could have everything perfect, but people are not perfect.
One thing some people seem to forget is that we are all learning all the time if we don't have a closed mind.
Open debate and even strong uncompromising stands can be good.
It is definitely true that some subjects are best not spoken of if you are running for a public office. That's the reality.
Our rights and liberties are God given to all, not just Americans. To suggest that only US citizens should enjoy these rights and liberties means you believe your rights are given by the Government and can be taken by the Government.
The hardest part about freedom is recognizing that other people have it too.
"Your love for liberty is not measured by how much you favor the freedom to do the things which you like, but by how much you favor the freedom of others to do those things which you do not like." - Micha Petty, 2007
Live in Liberty,
Audit the Fed = End the Fed
No Fed = No NWO
The "New World Order" proponents use the Federal Reserve System to purchase power and influence. The ability to create infinite amounts of Federal Reserve Notes enables them. Take away this ability and the NWO will die on the vine.
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learn something . . . as I do with Ron Paul. Thanks for posting!!
That was amazing how he called out Grayson! Did Grayson respond to this? So hilarious!
I blogged the video here too.
Is there any more video of the event?
This is a complicated issue, and here are some things to consider.
I still support Rand.
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I'm sorry but the "GITMO question" is not a mere side issue for me. Rand may still be the "best" candidate for the job out there but I swore off the whole "better of two evils" BS with Ron Paul. The fact is Rand Paul is not Ron Paul and he's made that very clear with the sickening position he took on the torture camp at GITMO. How dare he talk about the Constitution when he is just as selective about its application as any other neo-con. He will not be getting my money or support. Ever.
how many KENTUCKY repubs. you think would fall for simple trick of equating this guy (RP 2nd) with "Al-Kayda"(phonetic reconstruction of imaginary hillbilly dialect), GITMO, OBAMA, etc., etc., etc. with the consequence being they support a thoroughly evil bank-snail like grayson. I bet there are a lot of such Kentuckians, as there are a lot of such Americans : gullible, easily tricked. GITMO is a red herring, get over it.
Revere1776, I totally understand your anger.
All I ask is that you temper your idealism with love and wisdom.
There are many many people, which our wisdom and idealism tells us to immediately reject as being opportunists, liars and hypocrites.
Rand isn't one of those. Yes he made a highly questionable statement. He's new to politics.
When someone is in my circle of friends and family, and they make a mistake or do something questionable, we ask questions, get information, rally to their aid, and it all works out.
It is very rare, that I've had to break off a friendship and support for someone that is in my circle. I have forgiveness waiting in the wings, and my disappointment is tempered with love...
It's right for you to inquire. But choose your words wisely. If this turns out to be a misunderstanding, the damage you do will be mostly to yourself.
If you are a one issue pony, then so be it. Vote for Grayson, who cares. You are probably a Grayson plant anyway. You do not know what torture is, water boarding is not torture. I guess we just turn a blinds eye to what these radical muslims are doing now? I guess its our fault the idiot at Fort Hood did what he did? The radical muslims will just skip over ole Revere1776 when they do their sucide bombings here in the USA. We do not need you to get Rand in the Senate, bye bye have fun with whatever you do. As for me, I support Rand 100% with my time, money and effort.
YOWD5, it's amazing you've been a member for so long and have learned so little. Do you read? Virtually everything you said would win the glowing approval of Charles Krauthammer and Bill O'Reilly. I'd highly suggest picking up a few books and maybe watching a little less Fox News so you don't continue to make such poor ignorant fool of yourself on the forums.
Before you go to bed tonight, just make sure there aren't any of those big scary terrrr-ists in your closet or anything.
The title of your post says it all! Well said man.
You'll be voting for Grayson then. Because Grayson is a better choice over Rand.
This is what the establishment wants. Divide and conquer. Please don't let them succeed. Personally I don't agree with Rand on this particular issue, but he's still miles more free market, and non-interventionist then anybody else currently in the US Senate.
Regarding the Military Spending, If the entire federal budget is cut down to 10% of it's current size obviously The military would be cut down to a fraction of it's current size too. Rand Paul is just saying that of that 10% left, defense should be the majority of that. so Rand is for dismantling much of the Military. Not as much as I, as an anarchist would like to see (which is a complete abolishment) but certainly more then anybody else currently in the US Senate.
Trey Grayson attacked Rand on the issue because he knew it would be divisive. Trey new Paul either had to say one thing, and make the people of Kentucky very unhappy, or say another thing and cause problems in much of his national base.
Please read the two articles I've put together. This is definitely a very well orchestrated event by the Trey Grayson camp. And Rand, being a little green to the political process simply had trouble with handling it.
Rand Paul and Guantanamo: First debate with Trey Grayson
Clinton backer turned GOPer Grayson calling Rand Paul a "flip flopper"
Remember people, this is why we LIKE Rand, because he ISN'T a career politician, but that means he's going to make a mistake now and then.
Rand Also clarified his positions which I've blogged about here:Clarifying Rand's Position on Guantanamo
The problem then, seems to be the lack of any official declaration of war, like I've blogged about before. Had Rand been in the US Senate at the time, he would have forced an official declaration and there wouldn't be any question about whether or not these are prisoners of war and what their rights are vs regular citizens or "enemy combatants" (which seems to mean whatever Bush wanted it to mean).
But the fact is the Afghanistan war wasn't done properly and constitutionally, and now we have to figure out the best way to unscramble an omelet. I will state for the record that I disagree with Rand on the issue, but I do think it's possible for libertarians and anti-war people to disagree on the best way to unscramble the evils of the state. Murray Rothbard and Frederick Hayek disagreed on the best way to unscramble the central bank, but they were both classified as solid Libertarians. read the restTracy
We don't care.
Actually we do care.
I'd like the regulars on here to be respectful of each other, when discussing Rand.
It's only fair. It's OK to want a better explanation as to the comments.
People need to stop coming unglued in regards to this topic.
Hopefully this is a misunderstanding and it'll be cleared up.
Funny how you attempt to speak for everyone. I'm not trying to start a fight here. Ron Paul is the most heroic figure in the entire history of American politics and I continue to stand by him. Rand however seems to arrogantly disregard the wisdom of his father and take positions on the war, civil liberties, the drug war, and now GITMO that demonstrate his ignorance of basic principles of Liberty. If you're willing to compromise your values and everything Dr Paul has stood against to give someone a job in Washington, then be my guest.
Enjoy seeing your purity principles never advance, Don Quixote.
I'm not sure where he is compromising on anything. He opposes and has said he'd have voted against going into Iraq during this campaign, opposes torture, opposes the PATRIOT act and wants to end the federal war on drugs.
The untempered, childish, and black and white posts of SOME of those that are unhappy about Rand's comments are signs of an immature, unthoughtful, impulsive mind.
Yet, your posts are no better. You want to frame the argument in the terms of winning/losing vs unwavering pure principles.
You are equally wrong.
"untempered, childish, and black and white..."
Black and white? Since when is torture, illegal detention, disregard for habeas corpus, and off shore secret prisons, a GREY issue subject to debate? I believe it is you sir who's understanding of principles of liberty are immature and lacking thoughtfulness.
You'll have to forgive my "purist" attitudes about torture, murder, and locking folks up for years with no access to legal recourse. Pesky morality. Messes you all up in the head.
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