Celente says Third Party! We Must Not Be Linked To The GOP Or Neocons!
Submitted by Fedor on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 15:49
If we continue to walk down this road, the game is over. There are millions of undecided Americans that are looking for something different. Something like Pro Peace, Pro liberty. That is NOT what we are linked to now. We can't reach our goals linked to the GOP or neocons. It is impossible.
WARS DO NOT = LIBERTY OR FEWER TAXES.
Why do you think Gerald Celente has predicted a third party? Why? Because it's our only chance. We have to start somewhere.
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quit bumping this thread you low-life wannabe
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Wars do not = liberty or fewer taxes
I 100% agree with that statement.
Voting and Lobbying is Perpetual War
----This is 100% fact
----There are winners (who didn't get all of what they wanted)
----There are losers (who didn't get any of what they wanted)
----Both will show up next time and even if the score was fairly even there will be a reversal; unless one-side represents absurd profits (like abortion)
----Thus PERPETUAL WAR
My point is you cannot "ask" for Liberty -- You must take it non-violently.
The "bad guys" Revenue Stream: 1) Consumers-who-Purchase, 2) Consumers-who-Invest, and 3) Consumers-who-Abdicate (Voting - Lobbying - Paying Taxes - Purchasing from Corporatist)
All of DP is anti-Global.
Counter-Economics is THE WAY
Eventually you guys will get tired of "it" never ever ever working (protesting, putting people in office, and warring).
You will fatigue -- I'm just trying to plant seeds for the day when the "big wake up" happens.
National Sovereignty will not work either -- We can live free now and it is covert; it does not announce itself and it's member body is relatively un-known.
If you wait another 10 years their technological ability to track you will be so advanced that even Counter-Economics will be impossible -- they will know your every purchase; they are on their way to this now.
It was sobering when I 'woke up' -- I went through a period of powerful disillusionment; it was "Liberating" smile.
Protesting (has never worked)
Voting (has never worked)
Lobbying (has never worked)
Purchasing from Corporatist (has never worked)
Theft (has never worked)
Discussions (has never worked)
Sit-ins (has never worked)
Revolution (has never worked)
We need entrepreneurialism and conscious-consumers -- that's how freedom is won that's how it is maintained -- according to Mises.
Also, we need to kick the Rothbardians out of the Mises Institute!!
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
I agree with Celente
In order to bring about REAL change, to end the wars, truly investigate 9/11 and other so called terrorist acts, to stop the fed, to undo the monopolies, to stop wall street and new age barons we need a real people's party. The Neo-cons can only derail it. The liberals will use the neo-cons against it.
that's why the movement cannot be the glenn beck movement, it cannot be the republican movement. It has to be the LIBERTY movement. A revolution not tied to the baggage of any previous political party.
The neo-cons hijacked the tea party movement which gave the liberals ammunition.
The only safeguards left is a pure movement with no baggage of either party. Not the Obama lies party and not the Bush wacko party.
It has to be libertarian or constitutionalists in origin. The baggage of republican and democrat will only bring the revolution to a halt. This is our last real chance at a peaceful revolution. This is it. Our last chance at changing the false democracy back into a republic without the use of force.
If this revolution fails and is hijacked by either sitting party they only option then is actual force. That's why it is so important to weed out the neo-con warmongers, the Israeli puppets and the treasonous bankers. it's getting down to the wire. There will not be another chance at a peaceful revolution.
If this revolution fails things will go from bad to worse and that's when violence breaks out. Once the actual fighting starts that will be a civil war. That is why it is vital that this movement remains pure. If it becomes compromised people will take to violence and then many people will die.
This must be the libertarian movement and those joining must break away from their old parties and join the new. the libertarians need to recruit and make people denounce the old party.
Return our Republic to its roots.
Return our Republic to its roots.
Amen.
This must happen. Liberty will never find a home in the GOP.
Dallas County, MO Contitutional Party meeting
Nov 1, 2009, At O'bannon Bank South; Hwy 65; Buffalo Missouri
http:///www.constitutionpartymo.org
The CP is gaining lots of support in Dallas County MO and in surrounding counties. I'm hearing people are tired of choosing from the lesser of 2 evils with the 2 Party system. I'm hearing vote out all incumbents from either party. I think we will see an overthrow of incumbents from local level and up.
That Date should be Dec 1, 2009
tonight 7:00 PM
yes,
I encourage you to drain the people away from the GOP and hasten it's collapse.
you need to drain them away
you need to drain them away from the dems too ... are you a democrat fedor?
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
"drain the people away"
Freudian slip Fedor? Exited utterance?
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
nope,
drain them away from the GOP and their Neocon/religious right leadership. A leadership that will never support Peace and Liberty.
and the democrats? are they
and the democrats? are they supporting peace and liberty?
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
Good one
Hey Fedor, please direct us to your posts in DEM forums agitating for a third party. A Peace Party.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
I'm part of
the Liberty movement. An Independent. I am not part of the Dems or the Neocon GOP. For very good reasons.
Still wanting to see evidence that you
are doing in DEM forums what you are doing here, what you consider a NeoCon Repuke forum. If you cannot then it lends support to a conclusion that your stated motivation is not your actual motivation.
You often speak of comments of others being telling. Should we find it telling of you that you write Dem unmodified by a pejorative but you add NeoCon when writing GOP? I support neither of the corrupted faux conflict parties, NeoCon or otherwise, Socialist/Communist or otherwise. Why is your focus only upon the R side of the phony D/R game? If you are primarily concerned w/ ending the slaughter of innocents in these unjust, pointless, etc. wars, as you here purport, wouldn't your efforts be better focused now on members of the currently in power faction? As you would say Fedor, Interesting.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
then start bashing the dems
then start bashing the dems too...
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
nope
and there are millions of Dems looking for a place to go and it will NOT be the GOP.
Force depleting
Busy Box
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Fedor no comment on this-
No action required if you are as certain of the correctness of Celentes prediction as you say you are Fedor.
As you would say self-bumpingly; "Interesting"
Regarding your premise that we must form a third party to make Celentes prediction true.
If he is correct then you merely need await the emergence of Celentes third party and climb aboard.
If it does not happen, no worries either, it was not to be/Celente was wrong. You would suffer no more injury than other believers of prophecies that turned out to be worth no more than the words used to form them. Certainly, you will be much better off than those believers that sold everything and waited in a field in 1844 or the running shoe suiciders that were dissed by the Hale-Bop mothership.
Of course, the preceding assumes the OPs goal is as stated. As stated a thread with a title like "WooHoo my Man Gerald Celente says Third Party Inevitable, Salvation at Hand!!" would suffice. If, OTOH, the goal is to sow dissent and fracture the movement, then this thread and others by this poster make sense.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Cute.
Now Liberty members are attacking each other over the GOP. A party obviously lead by Neocons and the religious right. A group that will NEVER stop the wars in the Middle East. Celente predicts a third party and now Celente is attacked and his work is turned into a conspiracy by "patriots". Time to wake up my friends. The GOP wants our energy and resources. They even threw us Tea Parties. Nice try, gmason. Please feel free to continue attacking Gerald Celente and his record. I think this is valuable information/behavior for many real liberty patriots here :) Keep watching this thread folks.
Nice
bunch of words stuck together Fedor-No relation to what I am clearly asking you to comment on but nice anyway-Very much like the standard issue politico response. A response that is not a response w/ words/ideas never stated put into the mouths of others.
Back to the ball-please try to keep your eye on it.
Regarding your premise that we must form a third party to make Celentes prediction true.
If he is correct then you merely need await the emergence of Celentes third party and climb aboard.
Of course, the preceding assumes the OPs goal is as stated. As stated a thread with a title like "WooHoo my Man Gerald Celente says Third Party Inevitable, Salvation at Hand!!" would suffice. If, OTOH, the goal is to sow dissent and fracture the movement, then this thread and others by this poster make sense.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Sorry
gmason, the ole "he is trying to fracture the movement" nonsense is getting real old and reveals a lot about you. I'll say it again, if the GOP becomes the center for the Liberty Movement, the movement is DEAD. I think we can all smell the GOP support here on the DailyPaul. The GOP is to be used and kept separate from the real Liberty movement. The GOP is a PROWAR party and the GOP leadership has made that very, very clear. The Liberty movement needs a base that actually supports the message of the movement. I suggest we start working on creating that base and NOT embracing the GOP and it's Neocon/religious right leadership. Now, lets hear some more of those attacks on Gerald Celente and his work. Come on gmason, the cat is out of the bag now, keep it coming. I'm sure I'm not the only one here that finds your comments revealing.
Back to the ball-
please try to keep your eye on it.
posting this again since you either missed it or conveniently ignored it.
Re: You and divide and conquer/splintering
Actions that net out to divide and conquer/splintering cause the same damage regardless of (impossible to discern) intent.
Pointing out such actions for what they are never becomes "ole" as long as they continue.
All the important points about this issue, which was long ago hashed out and resolved, have been repeatedly made to you-to the point of beating you about the skull w/ reality and the only logical course in light of regrettable but unavoidable reality.
IF-THEN
IF
you continue as you have
THEN
Two basic conclusions-each negative and requiring correction
1. You deliberately will not grasp what clearly must be grasped-intent malicious
2. You currently lack the required combination of knowledge/experience, aptitude and wisdom to grasp what must be grasped-intent unknown but net result exactly the same. If intent is good then you need further incubation before you resume crafting/promoting lead threads.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
gmason,
your attack on Gerlad Celente and his work and your aggressive response to his reasonable prediction of a third party is very revealing. The GOP is a PROWAR party and will not be the base for the Liberty movement. It is impossible and trying to make it happen WILL fracture the movement. I'm trying to keep the Liberty message clear and attractive to real patriots that want peace and liberty.
Still trying to work that strawman Fedor?
Feel free to continue that, however, likelihood I will bite and try to topple your strawman=0(zero).
and
Please lift the needle-your record is broken
and
Still waiting for your reply to my comment. It was meant to be more than a thread bumping Op for you.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Um gmason,
self declaring a fantasy, intellectual victory is pathetic. You came here and attacked Gerald Celente and his work. That was your choice and it is clearly displayed in the thread. You added nothing but a smarmy attack. It proved nothing and added nothing. It did reveal your agenda and your solid support for the GOP. I think many members will find it interesting how quickly some "patriots" are jumping ship and ridiculing a patriot like Celente to benefit the GOP. A political party run by Neocons and the Religious right. A party that will never support Peace or Liberty. A party that will NEVER support real Liberty Patriots.
Um, your nonsense gibberish, BTWBS reminded me of another
great potential Thread Theme Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPhUr-T6UM
Put the needle on the record
Put the needle on the record
Put the needle on the record
Put the needle on the BROKEN record
and keep it there
I will have to find quiltingsando, she would love this one I think. She likes to rock/bop as she continues her very valuable contributions to our winning strategy.
BTW Fedor, you have attempted numerous times to create numerous strawmen w/me and others. One you have tried w/ me is claiming I am dissing Celente. I am dissing someone but it is not Celente. Can you guess who I am dissing? Just want to clarify the record.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
I think the
conclusion here is, The Liberty Movement can't become a GOP movement. That is FATAL. The GOP and it's neocon/religious right leadership has an agenda that will NOT change and will NOT allow peace or Liberty. It is impossible. This is obvious to millions of Americans. These individuals will not turn to the GOP for peace and Liberty. Use the GOP and it's resources, do not have any illusions that the GOP will provide a base for peace and liberty.
what about the democrats
what about the democrats fedor?? why are they not stopping the war like they said they would? are you a democrat fedor?
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
Let me tell you sonething
Register to vote DECLINE TO STATE PARTY (kick the collective bandwagon next election).
Vote and support only Independent Candiates.
Ralph Nader has keep the Indy door open with his quioxtic presidential runs... yes sirree folks... Nader has been battleing the beast, and he's not asking you to join him... he's suggesting you get off the Party and get to work.
I'm PROUD to be a Party Pooper
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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sounds good.
It would be nice if the Liberty movement didn't get labeled in anyway a GOP sponsored movement.