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What's with all the pro-GOP bias on here?
Submitted by atrickpay on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 00:28
Why not also infiltrate the Democratic Party? Just focusing on the GOP makes us look like some right-wing partisan hacks. » |
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While from a libertarian, or
While from a libertarian, or even conservative, point of view both parties leadership currently are "against liberty", there are differences in degree. There is a reason, other than pure randomness, for Ron Paul to chose the GOP as his major party of choice. As much of an outsider as he is there, he is even further away from the Democrats. Many, many Republicans do vote for the GOP because they genuinely believe it is the one party out of the two they have heard about that is for the most limited government. I doubt very many Democratic voters do. Not every GOP voter vote for them because they specifically prefer them to the Dems on the war issue. It's a total, take it or leave it, package that they are voting for. Meaning they could be convinced to go along with policies much closer to RP's, if that was what the GOP's platform. It's not like all of them would suddenly switch over to the Democrats just because the GOP ran a candidate more specifically committed to reducing government. Whether or not we'll be ultimately successful in changing the direction of the GOP ship to any large degree is an open question, but it sure sounds a lot easier than making the Dems come around to become the party championing the smallest government out of the two.
In addition to Ron, look at Rand. Look at Schiff, at Gary Johnson. Look at which party had the most consistent anti bailout, anti stimulus votes, even, in the case of the first TARP, despite it being a President and Administration from their own party. Look at the latest 1207 amendment. All Republicans on the finance committee voted for. Only 1/3rd of Democrats did. The guy introducing a spoiler bill was a Democrat. Coincidence?
It's bad on both sides, but that does not mean it is equally bad. And we might as well make it easier on ourselves by at least focusing on working within the party where the (still long and hard) road is the least ardous.
well said
well said
Pick your poison
And we are trying to hack the party. Back to what the Republican party stands for. A Republic. What our nation was founded on. Not a democracy-mob rules.
I think the better question
I think the better question here is ... if we found a great candidate and that candidate was a Democrat or an Independent or a Libertarian or a Republican ... would we go through the trouble of voting for that candidate?
Much more honest and direct question which avoids all the fluff.
I am choosing to work within the Republican Party because I think I have more of a chance of making significant debate and actually winning over people who still know what the party "used" to stand for. I am Republican in the sense of republic-an .. I am not Republican in the sense that i portray Lincoln. End of story. I am open about this.
I think if we all worked with the GOP we would be better off centering out firepower on one party. But I am certainly not dictator here. It is my humble opinion ... however such a policy does not dictate support for a party but only for a good candidate ... and it does not limit choice to only such party.
I am equally happy with all reformers seeking to plant the seeds of liberty.
I vote according to
I vote according to candidate, not party. My affiliation has changed with each election. LOL It depends on who is running and what their issues are.
But yes, I agree. We will get further by putting our efforts toward the Republican party. It will be the easiest to take over for liberty.
Blessings )o(
Blessings )o(
Was it the second GOP debate?
Ron Paul was asked if he was in the wrong party? Fisrt 23 seconds in this YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46yJpAoGWWY
I'm with Nader (and now many others) who claim there is no difference between the parties.. they are both corporate owned and operated and our votes don't count, they just collect our money on slogans for hope, peace, liberty and freedom.
Look at what happened in Reno NV.. all that HARD WORK to be a delegate, winning hundreds iof votes and spmeone with not one vote goes as a delagate, and there's no recourse, becuse the law says the GOP can break it's own rules.
Enough is enough of BOTH Major parties.
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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Pretty sure there is no "Pro GOP bias" here. In fact, quite the opposite. This site is more Pro independent.
I'm curious what your basing that assumption on. A handful of "religious right" posts?
If you are referring to Ron Paul's own ideas, well that's laughable at best, he has already admitted in plain view he is working within the confines of the current system because; That is his only chance of winning, period.
*edit* forgot to add a response tot he Democratic portion*
Principle is what should govern this movement in my opinion. If our principle draws democratic leaning individuals, then that will come to fruition on it's own. To brainstorm specific ways to entice them to our movement would make us no better then the current administration acted before the final vote count. ether we are appealing to them, or we are not. If there are aspects of our movement they do not agree with, then there are mechanisms in place for them to dispute our propositions within the confines of our current system, which we will pay attention to, because of our belief in moral principal, as opposed to the the current norm we are experiencing now, where the opposing force simply finds any means available to ram i through.
I think a lot of us here are very
open to anyone with a liberty viewpoint no matter what label they attach to themselves.
While most Republicans in the Bush era were stupidly blind to freedom ideas, some have been waking up.
Most Democrats haven't had enough reality cold splashes to begin waking, they're seem still in the drowsy state of Hope that Obama promises lulled them into, and deep in denial.
I don't really care for either camp, but welcome any waking minds.
atrickpay you would be a good fit to work
that front of the war. Report back often.
Do you have any guess as to the answer to your question, BB gave you a great hint. Can candidates for POTUS run on more than one ticket now?
It is not that we are avoiding bringing people in from all across the political spectrum; seems to me we always have tried to do so. But you still have the problem of being allowed only one lily pad to bring them to; we would look pretty flaky if we alternated which pad we use.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Still bugs me
I'm still disappointed that we didn't get to argue our case to the moderates, and the (small d) democrats in the race. Some of them could have been more receptive to the anti-war, liberty stuff. But Obama got a clear shot at them and we never had a chance to go after them.
I wonder where the center will go in '12. Seems like Obama has let them down.
Ron Paul is a Republican,
Ron Paul is a Republican, and the GOP is easier to get elected in from our worldview, but we have supported Kucinich and Bob Conley so its not like we are not open to compromise.
Ventura 2012