If We Choose To Negate Our 'Creator' From Our National, Governmental Documents...
Submitted by Anisha on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 16:08
Does That Not Negate From Whom We Derive Our Natural, Sovereign Rights?
OR....would we prefer instead to exchange our dignity for mere privileges from cunning men of design?
Honestly, I don't see that we can have it both ways with all due respect to all those of the myriad faiths, practices, and religions.
We either acknowledge our Creator and allow this to be universal for each or.......
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What do you suggest otherwise?
(This is concerning CC2009 and the prayer inclusion)
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Our creator? Neither my
Our creator? Neither my mother or my father are mentioned anywhere in the documents governing our land.
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Either we derive our Rights
Either we derive our Rights from our Creator, and those Rights are unalienable - no legitimate government can take them away, or we are granted privileges by government. It's either one or the other. You can't have it both ways.
Now you know why un-American forces have been working for decades to destroy any acknowledgment of our Creator. These individuals lust for power. We see what they have done when they have managed to get that power in the actions of the Third Reich and the Communist states. These people are the real domestic enemies we need to protect ourselves from.
Any public servant who attempts to convince the American people that it is in their interest to relinquish their Rights, for example, their Right of an armed citizenry, or the Right to be free from unreasonable search, is a potential totalitarian. These people would be right at home in Hitler's Germany or running a Communist nation.
The understanding that we get our Rights from our Creator, and NOT from government is paramount in keeping them. Any attack on references to our Creator as the author of those Rights is an attack on our freedom, our nation, and We, the People.
Spoken well Greg Butko, friend of Liberty.
Defence of the ideas must come from the people themselves. And if the people are poorly educated on 'esoteric', and deeply 'mystical' side to these docs, there is a whole side to our American heritage that has been kept quiet until a better time when Americans are 'ready' to hear.
Well, it is my feeling that now is the time to know and understand the 'mystical'.
All around the world Indigenous tribes have been releasing their prophecies to those who are interested. Well, I sense the time is ripe for those to know ours.
Truth be told, the freemasons whose lineage are directly connected to our founders, held the truths of this philosophy, but so much has been done to egregiously malign these 'pure' ones like so many of the good things done to attempt to free humanity from bondage . So they remain 'silent'.
These founding documents, ( cannot defend themselves, the people must defend these ideas), are the most profound key and mechanism to guarantee recognition and protection of our sovereignty.
We must work even more feverishly to do all we can to help one another learn these documents, read them over and over until they 'get it' how unique in all the world they are. How precious.
We must work even more feverishly to undo the insidious attempts to lock us in bondage through our money system, religion, education, smear campaigns against the founders and the Constitution, Pharma drugs, and perversions of the worst kind.
The ones who work against our liberties, swear oaths only to betray, they appointed judges who have deliberately perverted the law, they work feverishly behind the scenes at their lavish U.N. think tanks where they plan, develop, and write the 'new' laws and policies their 'paid' plant in Congress and the Senate will gladly pass. We have seen it all now.
And now it is the 11th hour and 59th second.
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Creator isn't what you think it means
The Founders didn't link creator to a particular religion...just a generic creator of the creation (the universe). Thus, they are merely saying that human life has a set of rights that supersede any rights set by the government that directly impedes living. Basically, that humans should and will disobey laws that detract from basic living...such as the Codex restrictions on vitamins; the restrictions on seeds; the restrictions on farming, making energy, having children, etc.
I know some of you are dying to post quotes where our Founders tried to link these rights to Christianity, but I have to remind you that our Founders DID PANDER to the Christians to keep themselves in power.
It is abundantly clear that the Founders tried to escape the tyranny of the Church of England...to express other belief systems.
Trying to make people believe that the Constitution is enforced by Christianity is unConstitutional.
It is just astonishing that so many don't pick up on what you
point out here.
Jefferson was given the task of creating the first outline for the Declaration.
Line by line in many painstaking deliberations the Gnostic/Deists and the Protestant churchgoer delegates worked out the words and ideas until it met their approval and each agreed to it.
Gnostic/Deists are not a religion, but a philosophy of our Universe and its Laws. What they declared was a profound 'idea' not a religion.
Therefore, it is universal for all who came with pure hearts to this country that upon passing immigration, their sovereignty would be recognized and therefore guaranteed protected under our law at all levels.
It was also profoundly important that each elected and appointed member of our government in all its levels and forms were to swear the 'Oath to office' to defend these ideas and laws.
Woe to those who swore an oath before their Creator, and then turn around and betray that in any way. The founders knew the law of the Universe was its own 'check and balance' and will at some point 'react' to bring balance.
Those who would understand these concepts can just look around and see the effects of the 'betrayal' everywhere.
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Denial of the Christian underpinnings of this country is
a serious error.
Christianity is a serious error
a perversion of the teachings of a great spiritual leader, Jesus
so adhere
to the Christian underpinnings and allow each person "freedom of religion" which is only possible with a generic creator concept.
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Thank you ... this is the
Thank you ... this is the very question I am seeking to answer in my search of philosophical proof for the existence of the CREATOR
THANK YOU ANISHA ... i am still searching and have not studied what I am looking for yet
Why are you asking this?
Why are you asking this? Are they re-writing the Constitution?
Of course
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. -- John Adams
But there will always be people that want to engage in sin and so they try their best to discredit God. Our Creator is the only basis of true Liberty. Without our natural rights, like you said, we are at the ever shifting whims of madmen.
There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man. -- Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
That's right
This nation could only be saved if the people would repent of their sins, but it must begin with the leader of the nation. The leader must call the people to repentance. To turn back to God. Do you think Obama will do that? Nope. According to the Bible in Jeremiah chapter 51 and Revelation 18, America is Babylon and will be destroyed. "A golden cup in the Lord's hand." "Nation surrounded by many waters." The only other nation besides Israel that was a golden cup in the Lord's hand was America. The prophecies will come to pass.
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It's sickening, that our "leaders" for so, so long . . . . . . .
Have set the example as usurpers, deceivers and gut less.
Simply sociopathic mob of leaders.
"Don't steal. The government does not want the competition".
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
I have been doing some thinking.
I don't think God would be happy to have his name attached to fiat bills that are created by people who worship Lucifer. It seems like a slap in the face and WHAT God are they putting their trust. Maybe, let's get that off there and put God back in our hearts and not worry about it being on money.
Just my two cents.
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Good point quiltingsando.
WHAT IF those who co-opted the original 'illuminati', usurped the symbols of the American seal which were never originally meant to go on fiat money, put them there to give them a kind of borrowed legitimacy symbolically?
Of course with each passing atrocity from 1914 onwards, all the evil would be put 'on the patsy' so to speak?
Hasn't this 'pattern' been taking place for some time now. Either patsy or false flag? I think their intent is being seen now more than ever before.
We also see how powerful when a certain organization points fingers and calls people 'anti-semites' causes people to shut down and NOT speak truth. That is just one simple example.
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Oh for crying out loud...
What the hell ever happened to believe what you like, just leave others alone? Why all of this BS belly-rubbing discussion for justification or excuse of higher power?
Here's a novel idea- BE YOUR OWN BOSS for once and stop looking for reassurance or reaffirmation in a book, symbol or bottle.
Honestly, If it isn't one thing it's another. One day it's Gitmo, the next day it's another 9/11 argument, the next it's another Spanish Inquisition / holy war on the DP, then it'll be another revived gold market thread from who knows how long ago JUST for the sake or stirring sh*t up... Oh I can't wait to see what the next big fight will be in here.
Don't you people get it yet?
This isn't counting coup. This isn't about some grandiose movement anymore. It comes down now to individual decision.
You can go along, or you can be self-reliant.
You can fight when the man comes, or you can stay and be burned in your house.
You can be shackled by the BS laws thrown on the table every other day, or you can ignore them and fly the finger at the oppressor.
You can throw another fluffy-butt rally, or you can spend time getting prepared.
Stand on your own damn feet.
MW...
I am with you as well. I am tired of these all these people crying foul, and they have never stood on their own two feet.
That won't work.
You say "What the hell ever happened to believe what you like, just leave others alone?" -MW
Well that's the problem when people believe what they like. Their are more and more people that believe what they want. Like murderers, thieves, etc. What if their belief is to not leave people alone??
It all comes down to freedom and liberty, which you won't have without a moral code. The 10 commandments. We must follow after God. You may not believe the Bible even when very specific prophecies have proven it's divinity, but the Book really helped this nation. You can thank Christianity for all of the hospitals and goodness spread around the world. Also remember there are those that call themselves followers of Christ but really are not. We must love our neighbors as ourselves and keep the commandments the best we can. That's what will make a great nation, but we Christians are under the Kingdom of God.
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Ahem.
I don't think murders and thieves "just leave others alone." I agree with MW.
Ahem.
What harm comes to those who are in the midst of a prayer? If anything it magnetizes the group into doing what they are about to do with the highest of intent.
Now, if you are an Atheist, a Muslim, an Agnostic, a Native American, A Christian, a Gnostic Christian, a Buddhist, a Pagan, how are you 'harmed' by such a ritual?
Yet, this is what this is all about. A fear, a belief, that if you are anything other than a 'Christian', it is offensive to your 'difference' in worldview to stand there and partake in a 'prayer'. Christianity does not have the dibs on 'prayers'. Prayers can be made by anyone of any path.
Wow. I have partaken in ceremony, teachings, and ritual with Muslim, Native American/Inca, Christian(Catholic and Anglican), Gnostic, Buddhist, Pagan and except for Atheist(since they have no rituals), I can say there is NO harm!
So what is the big issue with the prayer IF WE AGREE that we derive our sovereign Rights from our Creator. For all intents and purposes our Creator is what? An all intelligent/sentient spirit/being/energy that we pay homage to because 'something' magnificent created all this wondrousness.
Most importantly it is 'greater' than our own 'egos' is it not? If we do not accept G-d/Creator, than would it not be 'ego'? That is materialism. That is what we have so far identified as 'the enemy' of morality, good government, and peace with all.
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People need to get over the fact that the God of the Bible is
for real. He is the "Creator" they were referring to in the Constitution. It's not some mystery.
I would not trade a second of my life as a believer in Jesus Christ with anyone.
Call the Founding Fathers what you will, Atheists, Deists, Christians, WHATEVER -- they still penned a document that stands the test of time. And that's one of the ways I discern the truth in matters -- enduring truth.
Go stand in the rotunda at the Jefferson Memorial at 6 am on a spring morning and read the inscription around the ceiling.
As a spiritual creation you can't escape the reality that those words were given -- not thought up. They were revealed not brainstormed into existence.
That's one of the reasons why this country is so screwed. People forgot they had a good king, God our Creator, and they decided over the course of time that they wanted mortal substitutes. Obama Mmm, Mmm, Mmm, sound familiar?
We worship idols, just like the Hindi's and the thousands of other sects around the world. Only we have the longest list of idols of any civilization on earth. We're worse off than some of the most backward countries because we're rich.
This country isn't going anywhere until it turns to the Creator. And if history is any predictor, that won't happen until this country is in excruciating pain.
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Daddy Warbucks...
Have you ever committed a sin? If you have, you dear man cannot walk on water, or expect others to, you are not my lord or savior who has forgiven me of sin, so stop sounding like you think you are okay. On a personal level, I have a relationship with my Lord, and savior, and I do uphold the Oath I took for my country to defend it against all who oppose it, and those that will do evil to bring it down, whether they be foreign or domestic.
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I walk on water every winter. Don't you?
Tessie say to me"....so stop sounding like you think you are okay."
I say to Tessie,
"Wonderful Grace Of Jesus
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Wonderful grace of Jesus,
Greater than all my sin;
How shall my tongue describe it,
Where shall its praise begin?.
Taking away my burden,
Setting my spirit free;
For the wonderful grace of Jesus reaches me.
Wonderful the matchless grace of Jesus,
Deeper than the mighty rolling sea;
Wonderful grace, all sufficient for me, even me,
[Higher than the mountain, sparkling like a fountain,]
Broader than the scope of my transgressions,
Greater far than all my sin and shame.
O magnify the precious name of Jesus,
Praise His name!
Wonderful grace of Jesus,
Reaching to all the lost;
By it I have been pardoned,
Saved to the uttermost.
Chains have been torn asunder,
Giving me liberty;
For the wonderful grace of Jesus reaches me.
Wonderful the matchless grace of Jesus,
Deeper than the mighty rolling sea;
Wonderful grace, all sufficient for me, even me,
[Higher than the mountain, sparkling like a fountain,] Broader than the scope of my transgressions,
Greater far than all my sin and shame.
O magnify the precious name of Jesus,
Praise His name!
Wonderful grace of Jesus,
Reaching the most defiled;
By its transforming power,
Making him God’s dear child,
Purchasing peace and heaven,
For all eternity;
For the wonderful grace of Jesus reaches me.
Wonderful the matchless grace of Jesus,
Deeper than the mighty rolling sea;
Wonderful grace, all sufficient for me, even me,
[Higher than the mountain, sparkling like a fountain,]
Broader than the scope of my transgressions,
Greater far than all my sin and shame.
O magnify the precious name of Jesus,
Praise His name!"
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Music: Haldor Lillenas
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