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U.S. Advisory Panel Warns of Rampant Chinese Spying - Updated

WASHINGTON -- A U.S. congressional advisory panel said Thursday that Chinese spies are stealing American secrets aggressively to use in building Beijing's military and economic strength.

The U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission also said in its annual report to lawmakers that Beijing is building a navy that could block the U.S. military from getting to the region if fighting should break out between China and Taiwan, the self-governing island off China's southeastern coast that China claims as its own.

The report follows President Barack Obama's visit this week to China, where he had extensive talks with President Hu Jintao. The commission tends to take a tougher stance on China than either Obama or his predecessor, George W. Bush. Obama wants to nurture ties with a country the United States needs to deal with some of the world's toughest crises, including nuclear standoffs with Iran and North Korea, climate change and global economic recovery.

The commission, which Congress set up in 2000 to advise, investigate, and report on U.S.-China affairs, said U.S. officials believe Chinese spying is "growing on scale", intensity, and sophistication.

"China is the most aggressive country conducting espionage against the United States", the report said.

More here:
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/us_us_china/2009/11/19/2883...

Update:
These 2 stories were also in the news today...

U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Recalls Cribs Mfg in China for Suffocation Risk
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml06/06058.html

U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission preliminary reports link Chinese drywall to corrosion in U.S. homes.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/11/23

Looks like something is up!
I don't know about you - but I am glad to see China being held accountable for the dangerous and toxic products they have innundated our marketplace with, over the years. Some of these products have been linked to autism in our children, ie. the leaded paint on our kid's toys, remember?

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Diversionary Propaganda !

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Does China control the IRS?
No !

Does China regulate the value of the money Americans use?
No !

Does China payoff some American politicians ?
No !

Are a huge number of Americans in debt over their heads to the Chinese ?
No !

Does America enforce legal tender laws, while the Chinese people are now encouraged to own Gold ? { Real money }
Yes !

I rest my case !

beesting

Very interesting..

For many years Israel was the #1 in spying and attempting to steal military as well as industrial secrets. Now they run our government, I wounder if things will come full circle and China is next to take over the leadership of the U.S., as I am sure the White House and all is for sale to the highest bidder.

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The New Enemy Du Jour

Yes I do remember, but I also remember a lot more.

When I was in the 6th grade (1979), we began a new segment in school called "current events."

At that time, the enemy du jour was Iran and Russia. As the 80's progressed, it shifted to Russia. At some point, for a short period, it was Panama (Noriega). In the late 80's, it was Japan.

In the 90's, a new one emerged: Osama bin Laden, Al Queda and the Taliban. Now we're back to Iraq and Afghanistan. When I started current events in '79 - Iraq & Afghanistan were the enemies of Iran and Russia, and therefore were our friends.

Sadam Hussein & OBL used to be on the CIA payroll.

Having an "enemy" is a mechanism of control. Be afraid, and do what "they" say. I suppose it takes time to figure these things out, and it is only after watching them progress with one's own eyes.

Let's not look at ourselves, and blame the Chinese for our problems now!

I don't know about you - but I am glad to see China being held accountable for the dangerous and toxic products they have innundated our marketplace with, over the years.

Really? Do we need to blame China? Are vaccines that cause more autism than lead paint the product of China? High fructose corn syrup? Cigarettes? Crack cocaine? The military industrial complex? The pharmaceutical industrial complex?

There are bigger fish to fry than lead paint, friend, and it has nothing to do with China.

Something is up, but it is not what you think.

The powers that be are holding China up before you to avert your attention from them.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Chinese Control Most Firewalls

Most consumer firewalls are made with Chinese controlled Software. Most of these phone home using two different methods on a frequent basis.

When they boot you see them send out a hardcoded udp or tcp to an ip address that does not respond. I wonder what is going to happen the day they turn on the "responding" ip.

Also more and more consumer firewalls have formal firmware updates that phone home to the official software distibution point and self update. Once again they self update with chinese controlled and chinese software.

Buy and keep around an older consumer firewall from 3 or 4 years ago - just in case.

That's a scary thought.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Sounds like a good idea.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

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At the risk of repeating myself...

I don't know about you - but I am glad to see China being held accountable for the dangerous and toxic products that they have innundated our marketplace with, over the years. Some of these products have been linked to autism in our children, ie. the leaded paint on our kid's toys, remember?

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

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There are things going on so far above your head

In terms of the political machinations between two very powerful countries struggling for supremacy: The US vs. China.

And you're going to base your opinions on some stories from Newsmax?

Please think a little harder.

When a bull fighter waves his red cape, he does it so the bull charges the cape, not him.

This is exactly what is happening here.

The MSM has fed some stories to anyone who is hungry and dissatisfied with the state of the nation, which includes just about everyone here. You've charged that cape, just like they wanted you to. You're busy blaming because you read it on Newsmax instead of realizing what is really going on.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Uh...

...we're far worse to our people than the Chinese are. Vaccinations cause FAR more cases of autism than lead fucking paint in toys. If your kid is eating his toys, then he's probably already not terribly bright or the parents need a lesson or two in paying attention to their kids.

Let's look at what the Chinese have done for us:

- Provided us tons of loans to keep our greedy standard of living going

- Provided us with cheap everything that would be unaffordable had we not had the option to offshore DUE to increased government regulations, taxation, and inflation causing massive spikes in prices

- Provided us some of the brightest minds in this country that have immigrated here from their far superior educational system

"They" didn't inundate our marketplace with toys, we're the ones that allow the imports, and we're the ones that elect corrupt officials that have turned what was once a central bank-free society into a Communistic joke of capitalism.

That's just reality.

Let me get this straight...

Ok, so you're saying that most of our greedy, multi-national, too big to fail corporations have outsourced, so it's ok that they are creating even MORE wealth by being even greedier still and using cheap, toxic and dangerous materials to rip We the People off even more than just taking our jobs and our livelihoods? And it's ok that China is enabling them to do that? AND we should be grateful to China for giving us tons of loans that they really shouldn't have given in the first place - all given in the name of the greedy bubble game their elite were playing with our elite? I think your parents should have steered clear of those toys that were made in China.

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

Amerianna

let me get this straight. You want to act like selling us cheap toys with toxic paint is a big offense. We had no responsibility to check there safety? I'm sure no one would think our government would care very much about the health and safety of human life the way we go around bombing others in wars of aggression and using weapons made with depleted uranium that not only cause horrible cancers and birth defects to innocent civilians, but can you imagine what it is doing to the troops? And we borrow money from them to do it? Oh let's expect them to treat us with the utmost care and morality. After all it is what we do all over the world right? You don't even know if they knowingly sold toxic toys. Oh and our government doesn't contaminate us with anything? Geez. Think. Why are so many indoctrinated into believing we are soooo good and all other countries are bad or at least worse. I don't get the way you think most of the time. I'm not sure you yourself do. I don't usually like to pick on people here but I just want you to think. One minute you seem (I hate using terms but) like a liberal and then other times a warmonger.

Look...

The Chinese are not stupid. They know they hold a lot of U.S. debt, and if the dollar tanks, they'll be getting repaid with lots of worthless paper. They're understandably cautious.

Here you've got a great big country with lots of debt, lots of guns and lots of hubris, for a country that doesn't have much to be proud of anymore... except it's history of personal liberty, which is long gone. When the shite comes down, the US of A is going to be really mad and is probably going to look to take it out on someone....kinda like Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. Gotta blame somebody, right? After all, we're the good guys! The Chinese are not an unlikely target of that wrath.

If you were the Chinese, wouldn't you be just as cautious, and resort to as much spying as you could get away with? Looks like a good defensive strategy to me.

Oh and yeah, what business would the USA have intervening in a war between Taiwan and the mainland? No legitimate US interests there...

Do you have any idea of the size of the Chinese military?

They have more than twice as many personnel and weapons. It's hard to bring a wrath on an army that is just as well-armed and has twice the manpower. What they're doing now is whatever the hell they feel like doing because they have us by the balls.

Economically

they HAD us by the balls. But now there's a new sheriff in town.

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

You asked:

"If you were the Chinese, wouldn't you be just as cautious, and resort to as much spying as you could get away with?"

Yep, especially if I had been sabotoging their population with toxic products for years. You betcha!

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

Oooo yea...

....we're SOOO sabotaged.

Man, some of the folks that come to this forum...

Now play nice...

would you like some melamine milk with your cookies as you play with your lead painted toy? Wait, now who'd let that in our country?

Getting it from both ends...and you wonder why folks are at this forum...

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I hope Hannity, O'Reilly & the like dont get their paws on this!

Can you imagine the drastic measures they would propose to deal with these Chinese "terrorists."

Chinese spies.. probably -

Chinese spies.. probably - but Zionist spies have every phone call you've ever made saved in Tel-Aviv. Spying zionists are probably our biggest worry ftw.

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This is So True

People Just do not understand what is really happening when they pick up a cell.

Also - The fact that they can turn your phone on in mic mode without you knowing it at any time.

They do not even hide it - they sell you back billing and other details that they can only know if they have stored and recorded every packet.

THEN WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DO SEX TO ME?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/110317/saturday-night-live-china-c...

Maybe they're being traded for our debt..

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

I guess I better stop eating at the local Chinese restaurant.

Even though it's been there for over 50 years.

I bet they have a direct connection to the chairman of the Chinese Communist party leader's hot phone, in the kitchen, and are telling him exactly what every American is eating at the restaurant.

beesting

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are you surprised?

This time the cold war will hand us our ass... because they own 800B of it. Ya gotta love commies.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Can you say...

Debt moratorium?

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

I guess their trying to find out...

where all their money is going...

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