END THE FED.... Then What? - The Transition to Sound Money
Submitted by Jake Towne on Tue, 11/24/2009 - 09:33On November 22, 2009 I delivered some remarks after a rally and march at the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia. Following my return from China, this was the first time I had the chance to speak publicly on the transition phase to sound money, and while there are plenty of FED critics, it is still rare to find solid ideas on how best to replace the FED, and furthermore, how such a transition be accomplished.
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HR 1492
Does anyone in the remnant remember HR 1452 that was around in 1998/1999?
Basically the Congress would create gold based currency to be loaned to taxing municipalities for infra-structure repair. The plus is that it would be interest free.
If we needed 1 million dollars to fix a school or repair a road a town could borrow and then pay it back interest free. A municipality could also borrow money to pay down its debt permanently.
Collecting taxes to pay interest is making our fore-fathers roll in their graves.
I believe it was introduced by Ray Lahood.
One possibility:Regional
One possibility:
Regional and local banks figure out a way to gradually start merging their client accounts with:
www.goldmoney.com
www.bullionvault.com
Or the banks themselves start competing in that arena.
Ron Paul is becoming the de facto President of the United States.
Thank you, excellent suggestion.
Americans better learn how electronic Gold/Silver banking works.
I have had a Goldmoney holding for 9 years. However, the Goldmoney "Customer Acceptance Policy" is now so stringent it totally discourages new holders, in my opinion.
I blame this on the U.S. Justice department working with the IMF/IRS totally out of their jurisdiction, to intimidate honest would be savers, into monetary submission to ultimate FED/IMF banking control.
beesting
You're right, the paperwork
You're right, the paperwork is a headache...that's why I've been putting it off for months...like you said - discouraging.
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Ron Paul is becoming the de facto President of the United States.
END THE FED and replace it with NOTHING
Then what!? The market will choose its money(s), just as it has for thousands of years.
rdw
yes
Exactly !!
Thank you! Right ON.
I guess Jake Towne is talking about the least disruptive and the most harmonious transition to sound money.
Dear Mr. Towne, thank you for your comprehensive essay.
I have studied the essay { The transition to sound money } and read and listened to several linked URL's.
I applaud you for your efforts.
In proposed transition III in your essay you wrote:
snip; "The Federal Reserve Note (FRN) would be replaced with a fiat United States Note at a parity with the FRN." {end snip }
My question is; How would the new United States Note receive a fair, or free market, valuation?
I understand that you suggest Gold/Silver coins be re-introduced also, but wouldn't a United States Note just be the same as a federal reserve note is now, with a different issue-er, the U.S. treasury?
Please provide further detail.
Thank you in advance.
beesting
Yes..
...a United States Note just be the same as a federal reserve note is now, with a different issue-er, the U.S. treasury
Yep, I figure this is the least disruptive. The details here would have to be thought out (ie exchange at parity for X months, then stop, etc),
Remember, I am not claiming this to be a final solution. If you have a better idea, I'm interested, let me know, but please visit the website TowneForCongress.com or shoot me an email since I might miss your reply to this thread.
Jake Towne
2010 Candidate for US Congress, PA-15
Liberty, Sound Money, the Rule of Law, and Accountability
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US Mint vs. Federal Reserve
a United States Note just be the same as a federal reserve note is now, with a different issue-er, the U.S. treasury
If we had something like that now, would you start using it?
We have it now in the form of coins. Coins are issued by the US Mint. The US Mint is under the Treasury http://www.treas.gov/offices/treasurer/usmint-overview.shtml
Obtain dollar coins at your bank or order them online http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category...
If you don't like the dollar coins, use the silver eagles.
Why not start today?
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Thank you Mr. Towne.
The Constitution says: { Slightly paraphrased } Nothing but Gold/Silver "coin" may be used as money.
In my opinion a one ounce Gold coin in 1792 held the same significance in that day as a $1200.00 or higher, 1 ounce Gold coin does today.
The significance is, only a very small percentage of the total population would carry cash or Gold valued at over $1200 in their pocket or purse for obvious reasons. { possible theft }
However, the intent of the Constitution was to have no central bank. { Because it would monopolize the value and amount of money in circulation }
So, local banks were a natural result of growing prosperity and free enterprise.
But, with fractional reserve practices in high gear, and usury laws all but ignored, the Fed took over most banking in the USA, by writing the rules for interlinked banking, and dis-allowing local banks to keep large amounts of Gold/Silver as collateral for the loans being made.
What is the solution for 2010 and beyond?
Well, here is something I wrote yesterday, thanks to the Edwin Vieira link provided in the Jake Towne essay:
Please picture a debit card system using fractional amounts of real physical Gold/Silver as the medium of exchange. With the invention of I-phones this could be an individual to individual or business system 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
Constitutional lawyer Edwin Vieira explains in this video what Americans should try to do, and what is Constitutionally legal, when it comes to money.
This video is over 100 minutes long so if you're pressed for time skip to minute 80 to hear about Gold/Silver monetary contracts.
Skip to minute 90 to hear how electronic transfers of money { Gold/Silver etc. } can be made.
Skip to minute 97 to see how Dr. Vieira suggests implementing a state by state plan.
http://vimeo.com/2865332
My suggestion would be for a state to set up a system whereby a secure vault was used to store Gold/Silver and use this system on a one to one electronic Gold/Silver straight exchange system that doesn't use/allow " any" borrowing or lending at all.
Eventually, the system could be similar to the debit card system currently being used, with Gold/Silver predominately used instead of federal reserve notes.
Comments welcome,
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beesting
CoS
The Constitution says: { Slightly paraphrased } Nothing but Gold/Silver "coin" may be used as money.
That applies to the States, not the Feds.
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm#con1.10.1
"Section. 10. No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."
Edwin Vieira is working with Committees of Safety http://committeesofsafety.org/ to implement sound money bills at the State level. I recommend people check out CoS.
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Thanks for your response.
My sister debated with me this very same statement:
"That applies to the States, not the Feds."
So my argument would be; The Fed is conducting business in every state of the United States and it's territories, including Washington D.C.
Therefore if the Fed was confined to Washington D.C. or a U.S. territory, { Where U.S. dollars are accepted } they, the Fed, might apply for an exemption to the only "Gold/Silver law".
However the Fed through the IRS has "Forced" Americans to use an un-lawful substitute for the Constitutionally mandated type of money to be used in these United States, the federal reserve I.O.U. note.
Here is a good article on this subject written 7/28/09:
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/sanders/sanders072809.html
beesting
complicate the issue
I fear that sometimes we complicate issues to the point that people outside the freedom & liberty movement think we are lunatics.
The federal Constitution is short and straight-forward.
Section. 8. "The Congress shall have Power To ...
coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;"
This says Congress has the power to regulate the value of money. Congress subcontracted that power to the Federal Reserve.
"the Fed, might apply for an exemption to the only "Gold/Silver law"."
Where in the federal Constitution does it say Congress must have money that is gold/silver? (Hint: it only says that for the States)
In any case, you aren't forced to use FRNs. You can alternatively use coin money from the US Mint.
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Sorry for not being more clear.
The U.S. Constitution "is" the Supreme "Law" of the land:
Article V I:
" The Constitution and the laws { There's that word again } of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance { to carrying out } thereof; and all treaties made or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law { capitalized in my Constitution } of the Land; { again capitalized }"
Let me guess.
These words are capitalized because of their importance.
Therefore the Gold/Silver clause is a Constitutional law that is being ignored.
Subcontracted ? ? ?
Where in the Constitution does it say Congress can sub contract their responsibilities ?
To change what is written in the Constitution a new Amendment must be written and approved. This was never done according to my Constitution.
Philadelphia, located in the "State of Pennsylvania" was the nations capitol when the Constitution was ratified:
{snip} Philadelphia--"was the temporary national capital from 1790 to 1800 while Washington, DC was under construction."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia
Therefore, it is my humble opinion, that when the Constitution mentions the words "state", "states" or several "states" the founders were referring to the entire land mass known as the United States in 1791.
Ref: No "state" shall......make anything but Gold/Silver coin a Tender in payment of debts. { in 1791 there was no way to know electronic payment systems would be a part of the 2009 monetary systems.}
The lunatics must be those in power who refuse to obey the Constitutional oath's of office they took.
Happy Thanksgiving 2009 !
beesting
clarify
Where in the Constitution does it say Congress can sub contract their responsibilities ?
The Federal Reserve is doing some work for Congress. Like a subcontractor. I'm not defending it. It appears to be a fact. Or is something else going on?
Therefore, it is my humble opinion, that when the Constitution mentions the words "state", "states" or several "states" the founders were referring to the entire land mass known as the United States in 1791.
Do I correctly understand that you think all parts of the federal Constitution (including those parts specifically for the states) apply to the Feds when the Feds operate on the land mass of the United States?
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We Americans Have An On Going Situation, That Must Be Corrected.
According to Constitutional scholar Michael Badnarick, the U.S. Congress doesn't have the Constitutional right to give their responsibilities away.
They did so in 1913 when they apparently agreed to allow the Fed { A group of unelected private bankers } to be formed.
The world is now suffering the consequences through the debasement of the dollar, caused by the Fed.
This thread was started for Americans to try to figure out how to survive in an American monetary crisis.
beesting
yes or no?
Why not answer yes or no to the question?
For solutions, did you see the suggestions here http://www.dailypaul.com/node/116132#comment-1261501 that fulfill Jake Townes' ideas? These can be implemented now.
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I already answered way at the top.
I'm already using Goldmoney.com
beesting
No counterfeiting machine for the Treasury
Once the Treasury gets it hands on the keys to the counterfeiting machine, we'll play heck trying to wrest it away. The Constitution bars the states from issuing bills of credit. They are barred from making anything but gold or silver legal tender. The same restrictions should hold for the US. The US was intended to be a confederation, but it's a real state now - a mega-state. The "states" are reduced to provincial status.
The Founders knew what they were doing when they barred bills of credit. Governments, just like other persons, ought not be able to counterfeit money. Interest payments are good. The whole capitalist system, when it is allowed to function properly, revolves around interest on capital. Granting the government the power to print money with no obligation to pay it back to anyone is a horrible idea. The capitalist system is not the problem. It's irresponsible borrowing and spending in DC, facilitated by the Fed. That's the problem.
Very good point!
Very good point about the Constitution!
Counterfeiting is conjuring purchasing power out of nothing, or out of government force. No one should have the right to do that, not the Fed, not the government; because counterfeiting is theft through deception.
The only solution therefore is commodity money, of which gold and silver historically are the most practical.
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end the fed then what?
The way to effectively end the Federal Reserve System has been brilliantly mapped out by the American Monetary Institute. www.monetary.org This is perhaps the worlds leading think tank on monetery issues. Stephen Zarlenga has spent a lifetime in researching this topic. With over 800 books used as reference material, going as far back as Aristotle. His book is "The Lost Science of Money", it is the most accurate and complete that you will find anywhere. The bottom line is that a gold backed money supply will not work in the long run, as whomever has the most will controll the rest of society. Aristotle gave us the best description. Money is an institution of law. The American Monetary and Financial Security Act will be introduced soon. Chech it out at the AMI website. This is very important. Everyone should support this groups effort so that we may save our Country and remain a free nation.
Stephen Zarlenga is wrong, Jake Towne is right!
Money is not an institution of law! It is simply the commodity that is most widely used as the means of exchange!
Get the government out of money business all together, let the free market decide what money is, and only then will you have liberty!
@uri
Money has never been properly defined. This is because that without an accurate definition of money, it can then be used to suit the needs and wants of those in control of money (public vs. private). The current trend or beliefs in defining the markets and money, is that it is omnipotent, a god, it is unpredictable. If this is the case, then economics is not a science.
How can you have liberty when the fundamental right of a democracy has been relinquished to the privately controlled Federal Reserve System? As you know, the people of a democracy are the government. …We the people… are the rightful owners of the money power.
It is most unfortunate that you have your wish that there is no government control of the Federal Reserve System. The Federal Reserve has been a privately owned entity since December 1913, thanks to the Wilson administration and others. It initiated the start of income taxes and is the reason that the agricultural sector does not get parity for the raw materials they produce. The agriculture sector represents 70% of all raw materials produced in this country. It is the true engine of our economy. Without this economic engine receiving parity, the turn on the dollar is less than 1 in 7. This is because of the efficiency of the farms in the US. One farm is able to keep seven families fed, and if they receive parity, then the turn on the dollar is 1 in 7. In 1942 congress passed the Steagall amendment that gave the farmers parity on a sliding scale of 90-110%. It paid for WW11 without loans, or if you will, taxes. In 1948 the Aiken bill reduced parity to a 60%-80% sliding scale. Today, the farmers are getting less than 40% parity. The start of the Federal Reserve was the start of “free trade” as we know it today and the beginning of the decline of the US.
Last year, the Federal Reserve System crashed the world banking market again. And you, the government, just bailed them out, at a tune, many times greater than 870 billion dollars. This is the only privately owned company that has the exclusive privilege of privatized profits and socialized losses. The government has no say in how they run their business, because, as you say, money is not an institution of law. Perhaps it is time to stop hypothesizing what money is, and evaluate the actual circumstances of history, and see just how money actually works in society and the world. Without laws protecting one of our most important rights of a democracy, we have no recourse and will forever be nothing more than legalized slaves. We will never have control over corporations, over healthcare, over education, over pollution.
Here are a few lines from Stephen Zarlenga’s book “The Lost Science of money”. …ARISTOTLE EXPLAINS “NOMISMA”
Money in Greece came to be known by the word NOMISMA because it attained its authority by law (or binding custom) which in Greek is “nomos.” Aristotle (384-322 BC) gave the culmination of Greek thought and experimentation on money: “all goods must therefore be measured by some one thing…now this unit is in truth, demand, which holds all things together…but money has become by convention a sort of representative of demand; and this is why it has the name nomisma – because it exists not by nature, but by law (nomos) and it is our power to change it and make it useless.” And he continues: “Now the same thing happens to money itself as to goods – it is not always worth the same; yet it tends to be steadier…money then acting as a measure makes goods commensurate and equates them…There must be a unit, and that fixed by agreement” (ethics 1133).
There is much more than meets the eye; Aristotle’s brief description has never been bettered, and is seldom equaled.
Yes, money is an institution based in law if you are a democracy. To get a more complete definition of money, uses, misuses and overall complete history, I suggest that you read the “Lost Science of Money.” As for a quick review of the nature of money, go to the website www.monetary.org and read the proposed American Monetary and Financial Security Act. It has all the answers to virtually any question that you may have about our money system.
I think you got it in reverse.
The Fed made their worthless paper an institution of law through legal tender laws.
What I suggest is repeal all legal tender laws and put money on the same footing as any other commodity like milk, concrete or computers; then free market, or the people will decide what money is, and historically, absent government force, it has been gold and silver.
The definition of money that I like is this one: Money is any commodity that is most widely used as the means of exchange.
To be most convenient form of money, that commodity should be: 1) durable, 2) infinitely divisible, 3) preserve purchasing power over time, 4) contain great value in small size. Historically it is gold and silver.
There is no great mystery about money. The fraudulent banksters want you to think there is a mystery. In reality, honest money is just another commodity. There is no need to make it an institution of law unless you are going into legalized counterfeiting business. And that's the whole dirty little secret behind legal tender laws. And this is why banksters and governments HATE gold, because gold = freedom from government fraud and force. Commodity money is the protector of property rights.
sdwolfe.
Aristotle wrote:
"snip" There must be a unit, and that fixed by agreement” (ethics 1133).
This was written long before the U.S. Constitution decreed individual rights to "ALL" men/women.
Therefore, in a free market system using a freely agreed upon medium of exchange where the U.S. Constitution is recognized as the Supreme Law of the Land, the individual, not a central bank or central body of eggheads, determines the individual agreement.
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