Rand Paul - $old Out to the Neocon$ervative Machine?
Has Rand Paul sold out to the Neocons? It sure looks like it from here.
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Opinion/061749-2009-11-21-ran...
Rand Paul Sez:
Leading United States Senate candidate Rand Paul today criticized the Obama administration’s decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center and try terrorism suspects in United States Civil Courts.
“Foreign terrorists do not deserve the protections of our Constitution,” said Dr. Paul. “These thugs should stand before military tribunals and be kept off American soil. I will always fight to keep Kentucky safe and that starts with cracking down on our enemies.”
"Dr. Paul believes in strong national defense and thinks military spending should be our country’s top budget priority. He has also called for a Constitutional declaration of war with Afghanistan. "
http://www.randpaul2010.com/2009/11/rand-paul-try-convict-an...
I've already posted for
I've already posted my support for people on both sides of the issue. Well those being reasonable.
Those acting like children, I have no concern for what so ever.
You think your particular post is going to help the anti-war effort?
Think again. You're not coming across as thoughtful. You're not coming across as insightful. Analysis and reason aren't your choice of weapons are they?
Fine, so be it, you discredit yourself. The ant-war movement will require smarter people, and exposing yourself with these types of posts, just makes it easier for me to ignore anything you have to say in the future.
I have to wonder if that
I have to wonder if that quotation was taken out of context. Of course thugs do not deserve equal protection under the law. The catch is that under the law, everyone is entitled to equal protection from the State summarily declaring him a "thug." It's called a fair trial. Innocent until proven guilty.
We assure the rights of those we feel pretty sure are thugs, not to protect thugs, but to protect the innocent. We do not give the State the authority to declare who is guilty and who is innocent. For that we require a jury.
Another knee jerk Obamacrat post
Understand this:
POTUS is trying to set up a new court system to try "TERRORISTS" in the US.
Once this is in place the Executive branch can use this new court system against American citizens to rubber stamp convictions just like the NAZI'S did with the people's court in Germany against Jews and German dissidents.
Put that in your Marxist pipe and smoke it.
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Bull crap! Rand Paul is the real deal and 100% correct.
In fact Rand Paul is 100% right on this issue.
None of us like GITMO and that includes Rand.
It doesn't mean that we are for bringing the foreign combatants into US domestic courts. Rand is right... This is a really stupid idea coming from the Obama administration.
Once again the trolls are playing off of a mis-perceived issue.
Trolls go away!
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GITMO is on US soil. They
GITMO is on US soil. They are already in the USA
A fundamental precept of libertarian and conservative philosophy
is that rights are natural for human beings and that the US Constitution merely recognizes pre-existing rights, it does not grant them. Therefore our rights as human beings do not depend on the Constitution.
I say that Rand needs to revisit the writings of Thomas Locke and our nation's founders and couch his answers in a way that reveals more understanding of the principles he claims to embrace.
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BUMP for another $25 to Rand
And I'm STILL walking door to door for him!
Fortunately the situation on the ground here in Kentucky is still very favorable for Rand and this has not affected him one bit. The people that are voting for him are supporting him based on his core issues: the economy, monetary policy, health care reform and cap and trade.
Per http://www.randpaulgraphs.com/index.html he's still solid in fundraising on a day to day basis. So KY Rand supporters stay sharp, stay focused and let's win this thing in May!
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nice try troll.... A prudent
nice try troll....
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
not a troll..
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1 year 48 weeks
I wish people would drop this subject though. How many damn threads are going to be started based around OLD news just to try to divide us?
'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul
age of account has nothing
age of account has nothing to do with being trollish or not.
but I agree with the other part of your post.
It probably won't go away until Rand addresses it.
Even if we stopped talking about it, that doesn't mean others will. The link in the OP is to an article in another site, and not just any other site. Freedom's Phoenix is Ernest Hancock's site.
Nick Danger...
..most definately IS a troll. I don't care how long he's been here...he's a troll.
- deserves a response....
"His press release taken in any part or as a whole it is now hard to imagine Rand Paul represents anything but more of the same. I imagine more than a few disappointed activists around the nation are wondering where they can go to get their money and their time back. Whether Dr. Paul is elected or not clearly he is not the next Ron Paul. Not even close. He is just the next politician. Pity." (from the opinion in Freedom's Phoenix)
Here is your response. $100.00 to Rand Paul.
You sir can give all of your opinions but it will not change mine. He is Ron Pauls son and I have to believe at least 75% of that rubbed off. I know that my STEP SON is in agreement with me 80-85% of the time. That is not even blood. I will go with blood over BS anytime. If you want to post this stuff maybe you should go to Trey Graysons site. OOPS! Maybe you already have.
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Im sure many of the critics of this post have not even read the article. Here is for them :
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Opinion/061749-2009-11-21-ran...
"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2
Um
Dead horse anyone? Dead horse here. Get you bats and come beat it up again. 5 dollars a hit. All proceeds go the the Rand Paul campaign as donations so swing away.
This is interesting, let's not set dangerous precedent
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed’s Trial Will Convict Us All
By Paul Craig Roberts
Republican members of Congress and what masquerades as a "conservative" media are outraged that the Obama administration intends to try in federal court Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of 9/11, and four alleged co-conspirators.
The Republican and right-wing rant that a trial is too good for these people proves what I have written for a number of years: Republicans and many Americans who think of themselves as conservatives have no regard for the US Constitution or for civil liberties.
They have no appreciation for the point made by Thomas Paine in his Dissertations on First Principles of Government (1790): "An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
read the rest here:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/A-Trial-That-Will-Convict-b...
Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow
I'm making a thread on this,
I'm making a thread on this, thanks for the post!
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*sigh*
Are we going to start this crap in here again?
Honestly, how many times must a subject be 'debated' in here, only to have it end up in another bullsh*t pissing contest? For such an intellectual group of people, you all keep making the same dumbass mistakes.
Some people looking to start crap
That was the sole reason this thread was posted. A moderator/admin should lock it. We've been through this in a dozen other threads.
This is a different article.... and yes, it differs from the oth
This is a different article, an opinion; It differs from the others. And the DP is a forum for just this type of articles.
Debate away!
"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom
"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2
Anybody who wants to
Anybody who wants to continue any of these wars can't be trusted.. sorry Rand, supported you for a while, but not anymore.
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Let it be debated.
As for me, I will be going door to door for him late next year.
God Bless.
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http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Clearly, This Needed Yet Another Thread
And one with a laughably stupid headline too!