Spreading the Libertarian message on NON-libertarian websites.

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I haven't posted on the Daily Paul for...how long is it now?

Seems like forever. I've popped in and scanned the Active Forum Topics every now and then, but that's about it.

Hopefully, most of you will now be asking:

"Who is this guy? I thought he was a noob..."

Clearly, my internet energies have been directed elsewhere lately. Before my hiatus, I kept thinking that it would be interesting to see how Libertarian ideas would be recieved outside of purely political forums.

Of course, most of the internet has pretty strict demarcation along the lines of particular niche interests.

However, the format of one particular social networking website lends itself remarkably well to "Libertarian subversion".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_Project

So I signed up for the "Experience Project" and spent the majority of my time in the "Q & A" section giving people advice.

I swear, I must be a frustrated "agony uncle" or something because that **** is addictive!

I was very careful to keep my political posts few and far between.

Normally, when apolitical folks are approached by anyone with a political message they "switch off" mentally.

All they hear is the "wah wah wah..." of Charlie Brown's school teacher.

So maybe 5% of the time I was railing against the military industrial complex, central banking, false flag terror, etc. and 95% of the time I was answering rather mundane questions along the lines of "what's your favorite color?" or "why is my husband such an asshat?"

All good fun, nonetheless.

In the "Experiences" section I found "Experiences" such as "I Believe a Global Elite Runs the World", "I Have Seen the Face of Evil" [with an Obama Joker picture], "I listen to the Alex Jones Show", "I think 9/11 was an Inside Job", etc.

I wasn't the only Libertarian on the Experience Project by any means!

Just when I started to get a little popular and build my "circle" on there, I got thrown in "EP Jail".

Without any warning, EP members sometimes have features of their membership withdrawn.

In my case, it was the ability to ask questions in Q & A. Ironically, I had only posted about five questions myself. I normally just answered them. Only one of the questions had any political content. Even that question was largely ignored.

I contacted EP support about this. No reply. Eventually, I just deleted my account. I must have offended someone. Somehow.

I'm curious to hear other Daily Paul members experience of "spreading the word" on the internet outside the normal channels.

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Great thread

with wonderful information. I try to post something whenever any here links to articles or Youtube.

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Well said, Brit! I have

Well said, Brit!

I have joined the ranks of spreading the message outside of the Dailypaul to other sites with different philosophical foundations....

Thanks for helping spread the message!

What sites do you enjoy "spreading the word" on?

Not all Brits love the Queen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_i1_kAyVQ

To answer your question here and in the post below...

I used to do a lot of posting at libertylounge.net. Actually enjoyed the conversations there with people from all over the world. It's a mix of Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Anarchists, you name it.

As far as your point in the other post of teaching how to talk to the other side, a couple things.

One is I'm writing a book that I feel can penetrate both parties on a certain level. Naturally, I have to do what is called "reframing" to win people over to my point of view.

Second is I've had about 10 years of training in NLP. Not the "I can coach you" type of training, but from Kenrick Cleveland who I consider one of the best. Everything he sold, I bought. I also traveled to Florida a couple times for his seminars and went through his coaching program. While his stuff is slanted towards sales folks, it works for me as I learned language patterns and techniques to "persuade." Some of his stuff is so powerful it can ruin people's lives. But he doesn't utilize his talent to teach that. He lets us know about it to be aware of what other might be doing to us.

I know this is kind of a vague description, but the stuff works. I look forward to when I might possibly do it in person as it's much easier that way than posting on a blog.

Here's an example of using language that the only response you can receive is one where they too are cordial rather than confrontational. It's one I used not too long ago replying to someone that I disagreed with:

"I would hope that you think my reasoning is sound. I give you credit for responding to my first comment. Most wouldn't. We may disagree and that's ok too. It's the discourse I'm after, not proof of who's right or wrong. Time will take care of that, but you have allowed me to present my side of the discussion."

Hopefully that helps...

Oh...and it helps if you don't have an ego!

Cheers!

My Christian/Political Blog:
We the Serfs! Blog

We need everyone we can get in this fight....

....To topple the banking apparatus and install a Congress that values freedom. Not only that but instill our values to be held above those of banks and major businesses.

Heck we even need Neal Caffery of the TV series White Collar, to send a message to these big banks and be on our side by putting an allegory in the TV show. That would reach millions. Even if it was just something as simple..... "I think we need to know what the Federal Reserve is up to."

Subtle language like this moves mountains over night, as it taps into the sub conscious. Making people reassess their knowledge of history.

BmoreBrawler got me hooked to...

http://www.tcunation.com/

But, I am still addicted to the Daily Paul

Ron Paul 2012 for Peace

Ron Paul 2012 for Peace

How are Libertarians recieved there?

Have you tried any apolitical sites?

Not all Brits love the Queen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_i1_kAyVQ

They are Conservatives...

so many will listen. The Neo-Cons their due tend to engage in debate which always makes it fun to enlighten them…especially when you are spreading Dr. Paul's message of liberty and freedom.

Ron Paul 2012 for Peace

Ron Paul 2012 for Peace

Love it Brit!

To be banned or in your case "thrown in EP jail" on a forum should be worn as a badge of honor.

I joined Sean Hannity's site to ask one simple question....my first post...."Why doesn't Sean Hannity ever talk about the Audit the Fed bill, H.R. 1207?

By asking that question, I was "banned for life!"

I remember debating folks on Michelle Malkin's sites, MicheleMalkin.com and HotAir.com, in 2007 and 2008. I managed to get membership in both sites as she would only open it up to new membership every so often.

I remember a Brit on that site too, but not sure if it was you. If it was, I always enjoyed the posts.

I would throw out a thought now and then and get into a discussion by asking questions (socratic method) and learned quickly that if I said anything against the war, I would be categorized immediately as a "leftist." Then, when they found out I wasn't a leftist, but a Ron Paul supporter, I would be categorized immediately as a "tin foil hat wearing, 9/11 truther, racist."

So practically every post I had to utilize a disclaimer saying "I'm not a leftist, tin foil hate wearing, 9/11 truther or racist."

Having cleared that up in advance, I could get down to some good discussions. The folks who tried to slander me were immediately eliminated from any further discussions, as they had no further talking points.

So having established myself as someone who could debate on the issues, I challenged anyone and everyone to debate me "on the issues" choosing their candidate over mine, Ron Paul.

I only had one person accept the challenge. I remember a moderator chiming in that he was keeping an eye on me. But why? Because he wanted to prevent the others on the site from being swayed to the truth?

I noticed the "Experience Project" was started in San Francisco. I'm sure you know SF politics are slanted a certain direction. I'm sure they were keeping an eye on you too, ha!

I think the best thing to do these days is approach conversations from an economic effect point of view and ask questions without getting political or revealing your intention of garnering support for the liberty movement. Perhaps if you had a little more time to get your "circle" larger, then you could have some allies in protesting censorship once you started getting more political. Then, if you were still banned, you could spend $10 and start a website like "ExperienceProjectCensorship.com" or something that would expose them for who they really are. Free speech and all...

I did notice that by Googling "Hannity H.R. 1207" that there are a couple Ron Paul supporters that are on his site talking about the Audit the Fed bill. A moderator shut one thread down for any further posting because it was his first post. But there are a couple other recent posts on the issue from folks who have over 1,000 posts.

What irks me is when it is one sided like that where the person or sites agenda keeps someone from asking pertinent questions that might be in conflict with said agenda.

I take screen shots of everything now and expose it on my blog. I wear the screen shot of being banned by Hannity as a badge of honor: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd8ngkwz_5fcz9v372

Cheers!

My Christian/Political Blog:
We the Serfs! Blog

That is a very direct approach. You are too brave!

On neo-con or Democrat forums you would be talking to "true believers". I wouldn't be so bold as that.

There is a vast pool of apolitical - or just disillusioned - people who will decide the fate of the world by their action or inaction.

They massively outnumber all the kool-aid drinkers of different persuasions. They are not resistant or defensive in the same way. There is our audience.

Not all Brits love the Queen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_i1_kAyVQ

3 things Brit...

1. I'm planting seeds (based on economic consequences which of course they now are the party of "fiscal conservativism." Sean Hannity speaks of the "free market," but I bet he couldn't define what it is.

2. I have an overall plan so I'm not giving you..."the rest of the story".....as Paul Harvey used to say....

3. I agree with your vast pool premise. It is definitely the place to share the message. My "plan" will address most of them, but I do believe I can make a dent in the neoconservative mindset as well.

The "boldness" only comes from knowing my subject matter...and Ron Paul's message. Once one gets through the name callers, and down to the "issues," there isn't much of a leg for the neoconservatives to stand on. But it is the gift of neuro linguistics that helps keep the discussion flowing as a meeting of minds rather than a war of words. That is the key. If one crosses the line, they lose. It's not easy and one can be drawn into a trap if not aware.

Fedor was doing that here on DailyPaul. I tried pressing him on adding some monetary aspect to his ideas. Instead of addressing them he went after me. Then he started a new thread and proceeded to be divisive. I felt I could see right through his words to his intent. I ceased any further conversation as it was just wasting my time.

I have been drawn into the trap before. I probably will be again. I am only more aware for it and with that comes a better conversation. It's not easy when they come after you personally, but like Ron Paul, the message is all that matters.

Keep up the good work!

My Christian/Political Blog:
We the Serfs! Blog

Its interesting that you mention Fedor.

He thinks that Zeitgeist Addendum has all the answers and that's it. He's immune to logic.

Trouble is, political forums are full of "Fedors" of one stripe or another. If its not Zeitgeist Addendum, its Michael Moore, Glenn Beck, etc.

If you can get a hardcore Democrat or neo-con to listen to you then I take my hat off to you sir. Show us how its done!

I prefer to convince "normal folks" that I'm not the "boring politics guy" and then drop little nuggets of politics in there when they least suspect it.

I'm sneaky like that.

Not all Brits love the Queen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_i1_kAyVQ

Fed up, your post really struck a chord with me.

Especially the part about the neocons using PC terms like "racist" and "truther" and "tin foil hat wearer", etc.

Have you noticed how much this exactly mimics what the Democrats have done for years?
This type of behavior has characterized the basis of Dem "arguments" for almost a century. They use attacks and slurs viciously in their "PC police" methods to limit discourse to ONLY what they want said.

And this is no coincidence.
The neocons ARE leftist(Democrat) infiltrators, but they won't admit it.
But, Irving Kristol, Godfather of Neconservatism, does admit it in writing, and you can find it on a Google search.
Their methods betray them, and all the neocon domestic polices are big gov't, big spend, big debt, liberty stealing, gov't control, types of policies. And that is what they wish to "export" to the rest of the world with their "nice sounding" goal of "bringing Democracy to the world".
They are International Communists.
It behooves us to recognize this FACT.

The Neocon movement was in fact a movement to take over the Republican Party from within, and oust the limited gov't proponents from the Party, and make for "one-Party" rule, while retaining the "ostensible pretense" that there is some choice between parties still going on.
There is only one Party now, with 2 different names, and some social issues around the edges left for contention, so as to bolster the appearance that there is some policy difference.

And this is why the Neocon arguments are ALWAYS just like Democrat arguments, slathered in PC bullying tactics.
Because the Neocons ARE Democrats who've infiltrated and taken over the Republican Party for their own use.

That's why you see these people and websites doing what they do.
They are protecting "their turf", because they run it all now, and they are NOT about to give it up.

This is what we're up against..

"What we're up against"

Big T,

Irving's son Billy boy continues in his father's footsteps eh? Birds of a feather, one and all....

Yes "this is what we're up against.."

I accept the challenge.....as I'm sure most here do.

Thanks for sharing...

My Christian/Political Blog:
We the Serfs! Blog

I do it all the time.

In fact,I've already been doing it this morning.

Many forum-type websites have a "general discussion" page for all topics to be discussed. It is common for current events topics to come up, and they often include what is considered to be the "crisis du jour", or "problems that need fixing", and involve politics in some way.

I just present the Ron Paul solutions, and expand on the needs to return to free markets and less gov't interference.
I don't mention "libertarian" or "Republican" hardly at all. I talk about acting on principles, and doing the right thing, and show how these plans could work out for our benefits.
I don't argue, or get contentious. I just present the material in a non-confrontational way, and some people begin to wake up.

It's pretty easy to do, and many times it results in converts, or at least results in people going to check out Ron Paul and his positions more thoroughly than they ever would have before.
This makes progress.
It's slow, but it's sure. Each convert can convert more from his social circle. It's the "ever-expanding circle theory", and this is proven to work.

It's just one of many ways that each of us can have some more impact every day to move forward.

Just this morning, a few minutes ago, I had some discourse on a non-political website where healthcare was being discussed. The other person was employed in academia, and obviously surrounded by liberal thinkers, and was promoting socialized health care.
I brought up Ron Paul's HR 1495 healthcare reform act, and described it.
That resulted in this liberal-thinker looking into it, and he came back and said that he actually liked alot of what Ron Paul's positions are, and never really knew about any of that before.
His only answer after that was that there aren't enough people who know about this or about RP to get something done, "in time".
Obviously this person was caught-up in the "crisis management trap" and thinks "something has to be done right now".
But, the seed was planted, and now he knows, and he admits to liking the idea.
You know what happens then.

So, even liberals can come around somewhat. But if they never hear about it, they won't know about it.
Just let them hear about it.

Good tips there Big T.

"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)

HuffPost

I think I'm going to get myself an account there and try to throw some wisdom on their boards once in a while.

I also recently signed up for the local news sites in Kentucky. We need to get Rand as many positive reviews as possible.

HuffPost is populated by morons

who are locked into the left-right paradigm. I find that frustrating. Sometimes you see people making sense there, but they are largely ignored. It's just hard seeing the full-blown crisis of stupidity in America, and HuffPo puts it all on display.

All the MORE reason to wake them up.

When you face entrenched opinions you have ask lots of pointed questions.

There must be millions of Obama supporters in America who are wondering why he has broken every single election promise.

Think of all the hilarious folks saying:

"...he has a big job in front of him. He's just getting started. Be patient..."

"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)

I spend some time on other high-traffic news sites.

My focus is to provide commentary that runs in contrast to the establishment mantra. The idea, of course, is to at least implant a few freedom-related thoughts in the off chance somebody actually considers it and takes it along them into the future. Even if they don't immediately come around, it could always come back to them sometime in the future.

Don't waste your time with the loyal rank-and-filers. They will never come around. Keep them guessing on your party affiliation. The sooner they find out you are "one of them," is the sooner they disregard everything you've stated. Use words like "We" and "Us." Never, never, refer to others as "you people," or "you liberals," or "you neocons." The moment you start categorizing them, is the moment you fall victim to the very thing you were hoping to prevent. Be critical, but phrase it in the form of a question. Instead of "obama is a war-hawk!" say: "I was supportive of obama's anti-war stance, but, wouldn't you agree that he has dropped that position?" this personalizes your message and gets them to consider the scenario without rejecting it as an attack. Even if you think you've lost your effectiveness with the regulars after a few months, you are still having an impact on the casual observers. Stick to high-traffic websites that you can actually effect the pool of commentary. I'm extremely pleased with those libertarian-minded people who have maintained the patience to stick with it at huffingtonpost. Not only does it rank high for volume, but it offers unbiased commentary opportunity. If you happen to be there right when a brand new story hits the wire, then you get the first stab at commenting. I, personally, don't have the patience for huffpo, but that is a great example of a place that we should focus on for the greatest impact. The right has a lot in common with the left -- we just don't know it.

It works

The idea, of course, is to at least implant a few freedom-related thoughts in the off chance somebody actually considers it and takes it along them into the future.

Good work, keep it up. It's impossible to read something without letting it have any impact on you whatsoever. Each post may have a only chance of a small effect, but it's very worthwhile.

That's good work troy.

The amazing thing is that I didn't any encounter any direct opposition to what I was saying with one exeption.

An English lady told me to emigrate the US because I wasn't a gun grabber. LOL.

Funnily enough, the folks stuck in the right-left paradigm were too busy arguing with each other to give me any grief.

I got a very warm reception.

"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)

good!

you must be doing something right.

my #1 agenda is to break them from their two-party trance, and to get them to see how their group-thinking is causing them to take up opinions that they normally wouldn't have on their own.

this is a much easier task with the younger ones, of course.

keep up the good work, but don't forget to take a break from it. it can be draining and unhealthy. especially if you find yourself in an increasingly naive echo chamber.

Yes, I think I'll be spending more online time right here.

Its nice to be surrounded by Libertarians again. This is "base camp".

"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)

Thanks for your good work.

When I'm researching the 'net (a lot) and run across threads that can use a liberty boost (a lot, LOL), I engage the commenters and often get reply comments. It doesn't take a lot of extra time, and over time if we all do it, we help change internet conversations and wake up minds to ideas of freedom.

Absolutely.

I remember reading an MSM article about the Federal Reserve where the comments were absolutely swamped with folks rebutting what the writer had to say and giving reasons why Americans need to End The Fed. I think there were only two pro-Fed comments. One in broken English and one in SMS "txt spk".

"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)