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Feds ‘Pinged’ Sprint GPS Data 8 Million Times Over a Year

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Sprint Nextel provided law enforcement agencies with customer location data more than 8 million times between September 2008 and October 2009, according to a company manager who disclosed the statistic at a non-public interception and wiretapping conference in October.

The manager also revealed the existence of a previously undisclosed web portal that Sprint provides law enforcement to conduct automated “pings” to track users. Through the website, authorized agents can type in a mobile phone number and obtain global positioning system (GPS) coordinates of the phone.
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Take off the battery when

Take off the battery when not using it.

Creepy

They never come right out and tell you, when you buy a cell phone, that it may double as a tracking device. I hate their sneakiness.

Turn off phone

Just turn off your phone until you need it. Check it for text and voice mail occasionally.

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Turning it off will not work

Only removing the battery will "disarm" the phone.

CELL PHONE (FBI can listen to you when phone is turned off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1fNjK9SXg
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EXACTLY... TAKE THE BATT OFF if you dont want to be

tracked... info I received long ago from friends in law enforcement...
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I try not to use the

I try not to use the cellphone much anymore because of the brain cancer thing.

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If you aim to be stealthy during some special "project,"

unplug your cell phone battery.

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almost didnt click on this link

but im glad i did. well researched info. thanks.

You

You can get pay as you go cell phones without revealing who you are.

Why can't we have phones without this?

If it is not in fact against the law to have a cell phone without this capability, is there any reason why no cell phone provider is manufacturing cell phones without this GPS tracking capability? Or must they all be made by law with this feature?

This is just one of many reasons why I refuse to own or use a cell phone.

read about this a while back....

apparently all phones will now have the gps abilities...for our safety and security of course. The major cell phone companies are allowed a certain very minute percentage of customers who don't use gps able phones...I guess for the old folks and so forth. I'm thinking it was around 2% that could be on a non compatible phone. My plan is to keep on with our cheap old phones until I'm told I have to change, and at that point I will go to a no contract pre paid phone, after throwing one heck of a $hitfit about the absurdity of it all.

I'm thinking the point was for emergencies...for our protection they need to pinpoint us...I still wonder aloud..what the hell did these morons do before cell phones? Friggin sheep.

1 million or so Ron Paul

1 million or so Ron Paul voters, 7-8 pings a year.

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A more likely scenario

Fedzilla is monitoring someone and wants to know their location every 60 seconds. That amounts to 1440 pings per day - for each person monitored.

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would someone know if their

phone was pinged?

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No

Because the phone itself (the physical device) is not pinged. They're not actually hitting your phone with anything. The term "ping" is sort of slang... misapplied to cell phone GPS tracking.


First of all, most GPS is passive. This means it simply receives signals from GPS satellites, then, through a mathematical formula (there are several different algorithms - depends on which type of GPS you have) the device computes where you are. This location does not get transmitted - it's receive only.


Newer GPS is active, meaning it works just like the above scenario, then transmits your coordinates every few seconds to your service provider. Once your service provider has the data, they can disseminate it to other parties (like the feds).


So, with respect to GPS, nothing actually hits your phone (incoming) except the satellite signals, which are transmitted constantly, to all GPS receivers, regardless of whether they are active or passive.


The OP of this thread refers to the second scenario above, active GPS. Under this scenario, as I said, your phone is constantly transmitting your location to your service provider. You have no way of knowing what's being done with that information once your carrier has its hands on it. And, yes, your carrier can easily set up a web site that will relay the location data from their database, nearly in real time, to whomever is given access to it. Or, if your carrier is AT&T, they have a special room set up with equipment that streams copies of your data to the NSA automatically, 24/7.


Also, even with older phones that are not equipped with GPS, the position of your phone, to within 13 feet, can be triangulated by the cell towers surrounding it, within 10-20 seconds. But again, even in this case, nothing out of the ordinary is hitting your phone to allow you to say, “Ah ha! I just caught someone snatching my coordinates!”


In the case of GPS, the GPS modules themselves are software-driven – meaning they can be hacked and powered down (turned off) via software. Many phones have a menu option to turn off GPS, but that should not be trusted. It's best to learn the hardware, software and firmware of your phone, along with the appropriate programming language (which is usually Object-C), and ensure for yourself that the GPS module is off when you don't need it. If the GPS module is powered down, then it has no location data to transmit to be misused.


In the case of cell tower triangulation, again, the normal R/F transmitter is software-driven, which means you can patch the code to keep track of the towers surrounding the phone and intermittently/semi-randomly delay transmission to those towers by a few milliseconds. This confuses the towers as to where the device actually is (by screwing up the triangulation formula) with no noticeable effect on your communication.


The irony of it all is this: the newer, more bloated and more advanced (or complicated) the device is, the easier it is to hack, and the easier it is to find hacks for it if you don't know how to hack it yourself.

Very good info Echelon, Thanks

Re: Hacks-Any more info, links? Legality-hacking your own phone?

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Depends on the phone

...and the software/firmware it's running. Anything can be hacked - period. You might do a search for "[model of your phone] hacks".


Where cell phones and PDS'a are concerned, I like:

http://hackaday.com/

http://www.cellphonehacks.com/

http://lifehacker.com/345501/top-10-telephone-tricks

http://hackintosh.org/

...and a few others. Also, although this is not really a "hacking" site, there is a WEALTH of information here that facilitates advanced hacking, if you can understand the info:

http://packetstormsecurity.org/


Regarding legality, the way I see it is that it's my phone. I bought it. I own it. I don't care what the laws say about it. As long as I don't hack my phone in such a way as to use it for illegal or questionable purposes, or in a way that makes the phone any kind of danger or threat to others, the laws are irrelevant. However, with that said, to my knowledge there are no such laws that say you cannot hack your phone as long as the hack is not used in a way that illegally impacts others. There are some user agreements which will void your warranty, and some service providers say they reserve the right to terminate your service if you alter your phone in any way, but I've never seen that (termination of service) happen.

on second thought, there might be a way to tell

Put your phone next to a speaker which creates a buzz when transmitting. Transmitting means talking on the phone, texting, checking voice mail, or using Internet on your phone.

I have a small radio, when its turned on I get interference from the cell phone transmitting through the radio speaker.

You would have to listen for a periodic chirp that occurs on a regular basis.

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Not sure if this works in this case

But this product detects EMF radiation, cellphones often give off such. You could probably tell when your phone was sending transmissions when not in use.

http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/RF/products_rf_detector...

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Only if it were used in a court of law as evidence

Otherwise NO.

Sure would be handy if someone would show us how to disconnect the gps transponder in phones. Not that I do anything wrong, but it pisses me off they have the ability to do that.

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To disable it you need to

To disable it you need to take out the battery. As to clip'in leads so it never works - that would be cell phone specific.

The real story is much bigger - link here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/117427

-t

Same here.

The problem is, something that's perfectly innocent could so easily be taken out of context and used against you. It's not right.

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my contract is up in a few months

i will be purchasing a new phone when i renew. we will experiment with the old one, i assure you.

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Awesome - please keep us informed!

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Yeah,

What HE said!

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. @ @ . Power to the People!
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Thanks for the link to READ the story, since my STUPID Sprint

Nextel cell phone won't play videos half the time!

"The spokesman wouldn’t disclose how many of Sprint’s 48 million customers had their GPS data shared, or indicate the number of unique surveillance requests from law enforcement. But he said that a single surveillance order against a lone target could generate thousands of GPS “pings” to the cell phone, as the police track the subject’s movements over the course of days or weeks. That, Sprint claims, is the source of the 8 million figure: it’s the cummulative number of times Sprint cell phones covertly reported their location to law enforcement over the year."

Anybody know if there's a way to tell if your cell phone is being pinged or tracked?

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@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
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No Prob

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