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Iowa GOP Extorting Ron Paul Campaign

Director of communications for the Ron Paul Campaign, Jesse Benton, stated today that the Iowa GOP would charge the Paul camp $184,000 if they wanted to verify a paper count of the coming Iowa straw poll. Today, on the Dale Williams radio show, Mr. Benton said there will be a manual electronic count of the Iowa poll results. What Mr. Benton did not explain, as exposed in a previous National Expositor Article, “it is commonly known that this manual count” with Diebold machines “would only consist of spot checks of the voting machines for device calibration purposes. This does not constitute a verifiable check of the accuracy from either an engineering or statistical perspective.”

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In what amounts to extortion, the Iowa GOP is telling the Ron Paul campaign they must pay an excessive amount of money to manually verify the results in this weeks’ poll. Both Florida and California have recently uncertified the same electronic Diebold voting machines that will be used in Iowa. The validity of the upcoming Iowa straw poll should not rest on one campaign but is the responsibility of the Iowa GOP.

You must let the Iowa GOP know that you disapprove of the use of uncertified Diebold electronic voting machines and nothing short of a verifiable manual paper ballot would be acceptable for the Iowa straw poll this week.

This is a call to action, anyone who wants a verifiable election must call the Iowa GOP and demand a back up paper count. Iowa Republican Party - (515) 282-8105 (source)



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Please stop it

Two people from the Ron Paul 2008 committee have asked people not to write or call the Iowa GOP about this. They have urged supporters not to complain about the machines after the straw poll. Just get over it. It's a done deal.

Please people, let's work together. Trust the campaign staff. They are doing a magnificent job. They do not need more work heaped on them for damage control. Ron Paul is running as a Republican. Antagonizing the core GOP can only hurt our cause.

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Antagonizing the GOP?

It's time to stop being afraid of voters. They will do what they will do. Playing dumb is going to cost us the future even if we win.

What we ought to do is criticize where there's a wrong but give them ample room to save face. Not act like we're going to fold.

Reality is an uncomfortable place, but we're in this mess because we want it easy.

The reason the GOP is

The reason the GOP is charging $184,000 is they can't raise money any other way...no one is donating to them. They must be really hurting.

They have to make a buck where they can. Wonder if we will see them standing on a street with a sign saying, we will work for....you fill in the blank. LOL

The party is not only morally bankrupt just like the Democrats, but they will eventually end of financially bankrupt if they continue to treat their voting members like this. We need to got back to paper ballots, hand counting and maybe purple ink. And We the People are the ones who should do all the counting.

Technology is great, but it doesn't belong in the voting booth, in my humble opinion.

wolfe's picture

THe GOP has weakened.

Which means our influence from within can be greater.

If you want to spend your time fighting, than no one can stop you, but change does not come by screaming loudly. It comes from persuasion! When was the last time you bought something from a sales guy who said you were an idiot for not seeing how great his product was? Or the last time you bought something from someone who told you that you were a cheat (or insert other negative statement here)?

We, YOU are Ron Paul's salespeople... We won't win by whining, or screaming... Persuade! Give them a reason to join us!

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wolfe's picture

WE MUST STOP FIGHTING WITH THE GOP!

We can not win by fighting! We can only win by becoming a part of the GOP. We have the numbers. Be nice courteous and less confrontational in general.

It is JUST a straw poll, which is why they are using the Diebold machines. I dislike it too but we need to stop acting like everything happens to hurt Ron Paul specifically. We will not get them on our side by fighting them.

The only way to convince them to help us is to convince them that Ron Paul stands up for them and their values! And we can do that without arguing or being confrontational.

If you want to voice your anger, do it at the Democrats (even if you are a Democrat, especially if you a Democrat) because THAT is what the GOP understands and sympathizes with! If you tell a GOP member that you used to be a Democrat but when you heard what the GOP really stood for with Ron Paul, you felt a need to join, they WILL listen to that.

Even if many of us weren't GOP before, we are now, so we need to act like it. And don't tell them that you are only there to support Ron Paul, and afterwards you are gone. How would you feel if someone joined your club for some ulterior motive with a promise to leave when they were done using it! When we join, we are joining to support the platforms of the Republican party as they are stated, and not just for Ron Paul! It just so happens that Ron Paul is the first in a very long time that behaves like a REAL conservative!

The GOP is who decides who gets the GOP nomination! Not us, so our time is better served becoming a part of and interacting with the GOP, not fighting them. If we do that, and show them why we support Ron Paul, they will support him too and THAT is what will bump his poll numbers up, win the nomination and carry him into office!

When all things are said and done, they don't even have to put Ron Paul on the primary ballot if they don't want to, so don't give them reasons to hate him or us!

Wherever you came from politically, you are GOP now, so let's start treating our fellow GOPers with some respect. You can still hate the MSM though... ;)

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Reality doesn't work that way

The peope who are inconvenienced by the truth have already lost. This is not your neighborhood store. This is a serious campaign. These people have no intention to let their guard down. The proper tactic is to let them save some face when they get caught.

This isn't a scout camping trip nor is it a birthday party. This is serious work.
Stop pretending Barney the Dinosaur is MC'ing.

Even if many of us weren't

Even if many of us weren't GOP before, we are now

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Are you sure about that, it just may be that many who weren't GOP are now GOP, because of RP.

And as far as the GOP helping, I'm sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence of that and being pessimistic on the subject I doubt very much that Dr. Paul's campaign will see any of that help.

In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the "Grand Old Party" didn't do everything they could to scuttle his campaign. And since outward criticisim has only brought the ire of his supporters, they will be more stealth with their actions in the future, just my opinion.

And if Ron Paul wants his supporters to stop calling he or his campaign manager are the one's who should be signing the email telling them to stop. Again, just my opinion.

The GOP is either going to help Ron Paul or they are not and phone calls from his supporters should have no bearing whatsoever on that decision.

The GOP are big boys they can deal with these phone calls, that is unless they want to use them as an excuse for withholding their help. Now that would make more sense.

CAMPAIGN ADVISES WE STOP CALLING IOWA GOP!

The campaign is advising to STOP calling the Iowa GOP. Please read the
following message from Jeff Frazee:

Everyone who is calling the Iowa GOP over these diebold machines is doing a tremendous disservice to the Ron Paul campaign. Stop it. You are destroying relationships and turning the Iowa GOP against Ron Paul.

The campaign is taking every reasonable precaution we can to ensure a
fair vote, and we ask that you leave it up to the campaign to speak with
the Iowa GOP. They know Ron Paul supporters are not satisfied with the voting process, and any further phone calls only causes more problems for the campaign.

Focus your attention on turning out to vote for Ron Paul in Ames on
Saturday as we are trying to do. Stop creating more problems than
necessary.

Please spread this message far and wide within the Ron Paul community.

Thanks,
Jeff Frazee
National Youth Coordinator - Ron Paul 2008

And he will get 2% in the Straw Poll with 50% of the T Shirts

Although half who show up will have Ron Paul T-Shirts, after they go into the closed room (like Alan Keyes as someone has documented), and count the results, they will proclaim McCain got more votes.

The Butterfly Ballot effect?

To ask what might be an obvious question (and I'm in southern MN, and wanted to go), why bother getting out the vote to the straw poll if they will just rig the machines (or otherwise cheat) so that most actual votes for Ron Paul will be credited to someone else?

And no, I don't trust the corrupt GOP party machine. Why should I? I've dealt with them and most are like Saul Anuzis and whomever it was from the Iowa Tax people and will cheat or do what is necessary to get their party line man nominated.

The only time I ever disagreed with Ron Paul was over Most Favored Nation status for China, who had no property or legal infrastructure (hence even Mattel who owns their factories have to recall toxic toys). He apparently trusted the Chinese too much thinking that thieves, robbers, vandals, brigands, barbarians and pirates should trade equally with the civilized. I don't know if he regrets it or not, but I doubt he approves of what happened.

When he loses big in the face of obvious majority support, maybe he will stop trusting the GOP machine.

As to how or who would pay for a recount, I would only ask the IA GOP how are they going to assure us the count will be fair? And "just trust us" doesn't cut it.

Paving the way for a rigged election

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This smells pretty bad. Especially since the Diebold voting machines can be manipulated from off-site and results altered.

Vote fraud has a long history in the U.S., at least 30 years, going back to Janet Reno and Dade County, Florida. (I think Florida holds the prize for the most consistent vote fraud; and, interestingly, it was the League of Women Voters who were coerced into doing the dirty work. One woman, when caught, burst into tears and confessed).

But the Diebold machines require no on-side manipulation--just a stooge who knows how to work the software.

Daily Show movie on Diebold machines

I already posted this in another thread, but I've found it quite useful in illustrating the power of humor & Jon Stewart's Daily Show, as well as the problems with these machines. Diebold has every right to keep their source code for election machines secret, IMO, but if they choose to do so, there's no reason taxpayers should spend a penny on these questionable machines. And writing an open source election program probably ISN'T rocket science for the various programmers out there, if my guess is right. It might even work on formerly-useless Diebold hardware taxpayers have already been saddled-with by past bad decisions.
JMR

http://avirubin.com/vote/dailyshow.mov

i just called

I just called and talked to Carolyn... I demanded a back up paper count and she said she'd pass it along... CALL EVERYONE DEMAND IT.. WHAT A JOKE THE RNC IS... AN ABSOLUTE JOKE!!!!!!!

WAHHHHH?????

how can they charge 184,000 dollars to a fellow republican to check the count... it should be done anyway at no cost to anyone.... WHAT A FRIGGIN JOKE THE RNC IS... RNC... YOU MORONS ASK ME FOR DONATIONS.. I'LL NEVER GIVE YOU A DONATION, BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU HAVE TREATED RON PAUL.. AFTER I VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN THE PRIMARY I WILL CHANGE MY AFFILIATION TO CONSTITUTION PARTY. THE RNC IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY... JUST A BUNCH OF GOOD OL BOYS WHO DRIFTED FROM THE DNC. TAKE BACK OUR FREEDOMS AND LIBERTY FROM THESE IDIOTS... VOTE RON PAUL IN 08!!!!!

Political Parties

Personally, I think that political parties are a joke. They are organizations for sheeple who don't want to think - they just want to vote the "R"s and the "D"s and be done with it. Thank God for Vermont - I can vote in any primary I want, regardless of my party affiliation. I've been a Republican for years, but since I live in VT, I'm seriously considering changing my party to Libertarian, Constitutionalist or nothing. I don't know - it really doesn't matter after all.

yeppers

I agree 100% the Man who gets my vote will be the person who puts the CONSTITUTION 1ST!!! GO RON GO!!!!!!

What if......

Almost all Ron Paul supporters are leary of the voting fraud possibilities, and most would be more than willing to drop their name in a "Physical Count" box to give a verifiable count for Ron's support. If nothing else, it would sure keep the voting machine handlers nervous, and bring attention to the problem.

My question, is this feasable? Not nowing the layout of the election site, or how many voting places. Seems like it would be fairly easy to position "ATTENTION-RON PAUL VOTER" signs around the campus locations. Ron's supporter would then drop their name in a real hat! No one is ashamed, or hesitant about their support for Ron. I think this may even create more sentiment as to "why" we need Ron Paul in the White House!

alan laney

Dont pay that.

It does not matter if the machine makes its own paper trail or audits itself or whatever. If you illegally add votes to the system or change votes the system itself will believe the new data and that will show on the paper trail it prints out.

You can not keep a electronic voting machine honest. The only solution is not to use them. Fill in the dot paper ballots that are machine read are just as good, just as fast, and if you really need to find out how people voted you can open the lock box and look at the actual ballots.

the only problem with not using voting machines

The only problem with not using voting machines is that this could keep the disabled such as the blind from having anonymous and secret ballots. The National Federation of the Blind actually faught for voting machines in Florida for that reason. I understand your mistrust of the Iowa GOP, but I hope you understand my mistrust of poll workers.

I'm a poll worker

So I understand your mistrust. And I agree with it.

My job is Judge of Election in my precinct so I am the chief poll worker at my polling place. As a libertarian I do my best to keep my workers honest, and I do think they are. However, I always have some of them asking me to get rid of one of the others. And of course they are always asking me to get rid of a person whom they disagree with on the issues. The complainers have never had a valid reason so I have never dismissed anyone.

As voters you need to keep your eyes open and watch what the poll workers are doing - including me.

This may be impractical, but

This may be impractical, but would it be possible to maintain an unofficial independent vote count alongside the official one? That would give some idea how accurate the hacker-friendly Diebold machines are - and it would probably be a lot cheaper than paying for a recount.