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Reinstating the draft

I think Jesse Ventura is right, reinstating the draft is the only thing that will end the war. No one cares about the war because we don't have to fight. If your son was drafted and killed in the war people would wake up and stop fighting the war.

RIght now only the professional people die and no one cares, because there professional fighters. If litte Johny from your neighborhood fought and died in the war, everyone would get mad.

The other thing he talked about was having a war tax, so that we all suffer/sacrfice something when we go to war. Right now theres no sacrifice, the professionals die, and no one cares.

Its probably not likely to ever happen, but its a cool idea.

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I call BS.

I remember Viet Nam and the rich got out, there are ways. The elite love to hear people talk like this because for some reason people eat it up. The war will end when people realize that WAR IS A SCAM. They are not called recruiting centers anymore they are called CAREER CENTERS. LOL LOL BS BS BS

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This is simply reprehensible!

Rich, poor or middle class, war is nothing but a disgusting racket!

I think where Jesse was coming from...

is that if we had the draft, AND IF they drafted the rich kids and the politicians sons and daughters, then the war might end. Just having a draft on the middle & lower class wouldn't change much.
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

I remember the draft as if it where yesterday.

After reading about the Viet Nam war, I saw we were entering an already 25 year old war Viet Nam was having with French envolvment.
It was the first "live" televised war, and I remember those two years of avoiding the draft was what woke me up to the Tri-lateral Commission and George Bush Sr. So, the issues were larger than Viet Nam.

So, every afternoon, I'd come home from our local college, and see the count, usuall from 30 up to 245 american soldiers in Viet Nam died daily.
Every day I watched the staggering death toll of GI's.
The last American soldier killed in the Vietnam War was Kelton Rena ... The most casualties for a single day was on January 31, 1968 ~ 245 casualties.
http://thewall-usa.com/names.asp
You may remember that famous magazine cover of the terrorized young vietnamese girl running down the street, no clothes on an screaming.
Just about this time, my father phones me and tells me that their are two agents at the door, and they want my body.
Well, within two months, I was on my way, innoculations and all.
Not one, not two, but over four of my child hood friends were killed in Viet Nam, these were kids I went to school with in our adolescents.

War is a racket. There are better ways.
End the War on Drugs and end "war" altogether, it is possible.

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

And for what???

What good really came out of it?? Deja vu in the middle east. Glad you made it back Raw, sorry for your friends. Just barely missed the draft myself, but it was close.

This quote was written about Viet Nam, but could just as well have been written this year:
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Didn't work in Viet Nam, till Congress cut funding.

All for freedom? Freedom for all!

Free includes debt-free!

I'm sure the pressure from

I'm sure the pressure from the public had something to do with that! If not everything to do with that! These bastards only wan't to be relected.

Not true. George W Bush and

Not true. George W Bush and Barack Obama have done very little to show that they valued re-election. When you have a monopoly on political power you don't have to try as hard.

Ventura 2012

The Draft: Bad idea.

The War Tax: Stupid idea.

Just my opinion.

Punja,what's your head unda?

COOL IDEA ??!! GIVE OBUMMER MORE CANNON FODDER ? SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU

I'm not perfect. I just

I'm not perfect. I just believe what seems more rational to me. Show me where the light is and I'll listen. I am ready to requestion, relearn and change any belief at any time.

to Punja and others

To even consider FORCING our youngsters to die for
an immoral and illegal war is,to me, grossly inhumane
and speaks volumes about your priorities and thought
processes. To reiterate; something is seriously wrong
with you. You should be thrown off this site and out of
my country.

that's the whole point

Perhaps the only way to get these apathetic, "kill them over there" butt wipes to see the immorality is to rub their face in it.

I will say that long term it is a very rational idea. Short term it is a very troubling prospect, especially if it's my son or daughter being sent to slaughter or be slaughtered.

Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio

Hey guy, I'm giving you an

Hey guy, I'm giving you an opportunity to convince me, yet you insult me.

When someone has a different opinion than you, you call them insane. What are you achieving by that? Do you think you are going to win anyone like that?

Buddy, do wou think your gonna call us all insane and then expect we are going believe what you say?

Yes--please read about the one who wants

to sacrifice our kids. Convince you of what? That
offering bodies to the wars is immoral?
Believe me about what? You are the unbelievable one-
as in UN-freakin'-believable. Your ideas are truly awful
in a very base way--inhuman--you can't be American

Maybe this is Obama's secret plan to end the war and

earn his Nobel Peace Prize.

My view is that Obama is actually insane, so who knows what he will push for.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Obama is insane, and severly detached from nature.

He is a paranioid sycophant man and lives in a universe of lies.

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

My theory is:

My theory is: You won't get a draft even if you beg! They are one or two steps ahead of you! Yes this so called war is very important to them and they have all the troops they need and want. All they had to do is get them to sign up. EASY they did what they did to make the unemployment rate go from around 4% to around 12% percent so i'm guessing that People may be sighing up like crazy, they need jobs.

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Yes, I think they are

Yes, I think they are smarter than us and they know that the war machine will end once people are forcefully drafted.

They are probably more powerful by having volunteering soldiers. These type of soldiers probably won't speak out against the wars the're fighter either, because they probably think they're part of the cause. They volunteered anyway, its a really awkard situation. I guess they would feel they are betraying the're fellow soldiers too by speaking against the war.

If you are forced by the governemnt to go to another country and kill people, and you have no choice, obviously everyone would protest.

The government is aware of this, I don't think theres any way we'll go back to a draft, unless we need a massive amount of troops. But its still an interesting thought.

UNREAL !!! ARE YOU A PLANT?

So,lets get 10,000 more kids slaughtered so we can
have a little protest action. Is that it? Are you a
protest groupie?

I don't know how old you are; do you remember Viet Nam--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I mean, not as a child?

The draft did NOT end the war!!!

If anyone has told you that, they don't know what they are talking about--

I was there, and the draft didn't end the war.

The war ended when the 'powers that be' decided it could end and no sooner--

and they will pay--someday.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I wasn't alive, everything I

I wasn't alive, everything I know is from what I've read.

Hmm...I find that the draft had nothing to do with ending the war baffling! Lets see if I can have some proof so I can see if I'm convinced. Reading links/ videos on youtube etc.

THE PROOF

is in your words and opinions. You are insane

those of us who wept through that awful 'war' . . .

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

and watched our friends and family come home in body bags or with permanently damaged minds or bodies . . .

didn't think it would EVER end--

and then it suddenly ended . . .

no, it wasn't the draft--

*they* had finally done enough damage--to the nation and to the people of Southeast Asia, and they had finally filled their coffers and figured there was another place they could get rich--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

This is a good thread for the new proposed divisive forum

The Draft is not relevant to getting Ron Paul elected to president, thus it is not suitable for this site...Yet it is politically charged and interesting to most RP'ers; thus, it is a good thread for the new proposed divisive forum.

Is Ron Paul agaisnt a draft?

Good talking point for a Campaign that hopes to have a principled message for those of draft age.

All for freedom? Freedom for all!

Free includes debt-free!

What's banned?

Is making stupid remarks banned, or is calling them stupid banned? Just curious.

How do you justify your call for slavery?

Slavery is evil, and conscription is slavery. How do you justify your depravity?

Well, the Vietnam example is

Well, the Vietnam example is evidence that this is not the case.

Ventura 2012