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What do you think of the ACLU?

What do you think of the ACLU?

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Mixed feelings

Every now and then they will come out and fight the good fight, but it's not as often as it should be. They mostly fight for the liberal agenda.

Re Japanese-American internment

The ACLU tries to defend its position on this issue by saying they were one of the few groups that came to the aid of Japanese-Americans. However, I do not think this effort had the teeth required to win their case. They lost both court challenges which cases went before the Supreme Court based on racial grounds. These challenges did not have the backing of the national ACLU which board of directors were split 2 to 1 with the majority against challenging FDR’s authority. Fred Korematsu, for example, was represented over the objection of the national ACLU in Korematsu v. United States (1944), the other well known case being Hirabayashi v. United States (1943). Overall, the ACLU could have been more assertive but the majority chose not to pursue that path. Historian Peter Irons faults both the ACLU and the Supreme Court itself for falling prey to the national dialogue over the civil liberties issue. The ACLU also dragged its feet in establishing its policy. Its national policy was not formulated until almost three months after evacuation had begun. Some posit that their headquarters in New York kept them remotely vs. actively involved on the West Coast, but I don’t think they had the gonads to challenge FDR.

That said, I see the value in some of the things they do. I just wish they were more consistent in defending our civil liberties as I think their liberal orientation tends to interfere with the basic premise of defending the Constitution which should be irrespective of right or left political persuasion.

A complete joke

It is just a liberal organisation trying to justify their positions as being civil liberties.

Here is one of their key categories (reproductive rights) and criteria as to why they gave Gary Johnson 2/4 torches:

"Supports a woman’s right to choose abortion until “viability” but favors banning late-term abortions and withholding public funding."

In other words, late-term abortions and public funding for abortions are key criteria to be a civil libertarian.

Now i am completely pro-life, but even the most vial people still see that late-term abortions as killing a baby. The ACLU? No. Apparently the right of a woman to make a 'choice' completely supercedes the right of a human infant. In other words, this unborn baby has less rights than an animal has and less rights than a slave did. And they are for civil liberties??? Give me a break.

looks like a lot more good

looks like a lot more good than bad to me


I, too, find the ACLU very hypocritical

although occasionally I do sign some of their petitions, agreeing with them, my experience years ago was not good. The school I went to in a rural area of NH, after I was grown up, was sued by the ACLU. It was their tradition at graduation to let the Gideon Bible Society to hand the graduates Bibles, although none were required to take it. They could just walk by and not take it. Well one year some Pakistani students (two) went to the ACLU to put a stop to the tradition, despite the fact that all of the other students wanted to keep it. The ACLU won the case, although they didn't win any hearts in those many towns that had children in that school.
Another one, in Virginia, an elementary school child wanted to do her book report on the Bible, and someone with a child in the class didn't like it. Called the ACLU and they went after the school to not allow a student do this. Fortunately a Constitutional lawyer, John Whitehead, took the girl's case, and won.

Their philosophy is

Their philosophy is completely backwards. Anyone who has read history regarding the founding of the Constitution can easily ascertain the Founders never intended the Federal government to dictate to State and Local governments. I mention this for the ACLU's constant suing of courthouses and schools and firehouses for posting the 10 Commandments or for praying. James Madison brought up 3 separate times a provision that gave the Federal Government this exact power, to nullify State Law, and 3 times it was defeated in the ratifying convention. The intent of the 1st amendment was so the Federal government could not keep anyone from practicing religion and so they could not impose a national religion.

The ACLU has perverted their original intent. If a local school or a local courthouse wants to post the 10 commandments, it is none of the Federal Government's business. That is my main problem with the ACLU.

Where were they on ObamaCare?

Where were they on ObamaCare? the ACLU is/was designed to make you think they are fighting for your rights so go back to sleep. They support abortion and planned parenthood. They are a fraud just like the NRA.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

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I love 'em.

They are the only organization out there that remotely understands civil liberties and are generally at the forefront of stopping the infractions with their team of attorneys.

Are they perfect? Nope. But at least they do some good.

Some good, some bad

They do some good things and some bad things. They seem awfully inconsistent in their definition of "civil liberty" they'll fight certain abuses of government power but turn a blind eye to others. For example, they are leading the case in Iowa for medical marijuana, but they are also involved in trying to remove many veteran's monuments on spurious "separation of church and state" arguments.

I'd suggest neither vigorously supporting them or opposing them, but use them as an ally when we can.

"I get E-mails from right and left condemning the ACLU"

That should be a pretty good indication that the ACLU is doing something right.

Admittedly don't always agree with their priorities or with every topic they choose to fight for, but who else was going to stand with the C4L guy(and all of us) against the TSA after the incident in St. Louis?

I have a problem with their inconsitency regarding Ammendments.

The Liberty a society retains is inversely proportional to the number of Lawyers in the Government.

The Liberty a society retains is inversely proportional to the number of Lawyers in the Government.

I only ask because I get

I only ask because I get these emails, from both right and left folks...
condemning the ACLU.. say mail them xmass cards to p*ss them off for being against christianity.

I figure if it is bring both left and right together like Ron Paul, it must be good!

If without, Look within!

When an issue falls into the ACLU

It's almost like that issue is imprisoned, waiting for justice.. as if the ACLU protects the establishment in the name of defending the victims, by taking all the time they need researching, making arguments, getting press, opening debate... and ultimately, no matter what they do, seems the establishment wins.