Homeless and Destitute.

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I just saw some homeless people this morning on the way to work. I look down at the temp reading in my car and it said 18 degrees.

That sucks!

No one said life would be easy and no one should get a free handout right?

When I grew up I was always taught that charity would take care of these people and it's not the governments place to redistribute wealth to these people.
I still believe that,,,,I think....

Does charity really take care of these people? Do they have the resources? Are we to assume that is the only answer?

Should we let them just fend for themselves...after all they must be lazy and not willing to work like the rest of us right?

Sarcasm aside, what is the right thing to do here? I have never believed in welfare but am at risk of capitulating to the theory.
Correct me if I am wrong but it was Thomas Paine who also felt we had a duty and obligation to be good to human kind including those less fortunate ….

I am struggling here…

Anyone care to comment? Show me the light!

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For Charity!

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getting the gov out of our

getting the gov out of our lives so we can keep more of the fruit of our labor, people would be much more charitable.

A sign on a pickup load of wood said $150 or trade for food!

It was parked on the street in our town. I ran my quick errand and went back to find it gone. I now wish I had immediately gone back, or at the very least wrote down the phone number!
I didn't need the wood, but would have gladly paid for it to be delivered to one of the elderly in the community on a fixed income. And I would have given extra money for groceries--this person obviously believed in working for a living.

Dr. Paul just won the National CHARITY LIFETIME

achievement award as someone who OPPOSES government welfare and wants to lift the burden of big government off the backs of people so they can more easily engage in private CHARITY.

That should answer your question right there.

When addressing such questions, there is one more that

I think one needs to ask themselves before coming to a conclusion:

Do I think it is proper to point a gun at someone and take their money to accomplish this idea?

If the answer to that is, "NO!" then you have your answer to government involvement.

"Government cannot give, that which it first does not take."

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force. Like fire - a dangerous servant and a fearful master." Geo. Washington.

The only tool government has is a gun.

So would you use a gun to feed, shelter, or clothe people?

No?

Then don't have government do it.

Do it yourself.

People who think government "needs" to do something, are themselves too lazy to do something, or else don't want to be "bothered" to do it, or learn enough about why it might need to be done.

Also, some people can't fathom that it isn't their place to presume someone else needs "their help."

To be sure, no one wants to see someone starving, or cold so...

bring them food.

bring them blankets.

Offer them a ride to a shelter.

Volunteer at the shelter.

But the moment you mention government, you just threatened to point a gun at ME, and steal from ME, to do what you want.

Now tell me, how is THAT appropriate?

I used to work with the homeless.

the sad conclusion is that most of them are self defeating. The ones we were able to help really just used our resources as a foothold until they were able to make it on their own. You knew within a few days which was which.

It's tempting

to follow the emotions rather than reason. The child waits for Santa Claus, the parent knows that he must work and save money to provide the gifts.

Every person is tempted to shun reality and join the "hope" parade, it is so much easier. This is why we're at war right now and printing money like madmen, but just as in economic matters, there will be a correction...it can be sooner and less violent or later and catastrophic. If even our own are being swayed by the emotions, it will be the latter. As others have said, take matters into your own hands if you feel charity doesn't serve them. Just make sure the money you hand over doesn't run straight to the liquor store which can be the case all too often.

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Oh my!

Isn't it nice that you have such strong charitable inclinations toward that homeless fellow.

Isn't it dastardly of you to suggest that others be forced to put up the money to help you meet your need to feel good about yourself by being charitable.

Be as charitable as you can afford with your own money, but keep you hands out of my pockets. What you are suggesting is simply theft, both to meet the needs of the homeless and to meet your own needs to be charitable.

Forced government charity is hardly charitable to those forced to pay for it. It crowds out private charity by impoverishing givers, limiting their ability to follow their own charitable impulses. Government charity is a rip off in the sense that most of the money does not reach the object of the charity, but winds up in the hands of politicians and bureaucrats. Government charity is inefficient at screening those who truly are in need and those just looking for a free ride.

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley

Here! Here! Henry

I agree.
Dont steal my money under some bullcrap guise of charity.
Here is the deal

- Some folks will always be poor destitute
- The church should help all the poor through food,
clothing and also money sometimes
- Governments are always bad and evil because they
are run by humans. Their number ONE priority is
their contonued existence.
- YOU should do what God convicts you to do.

For me and my wife, we give money every month to a small, young, hard working, frugile, non-alcoholic and Christian family that we know personally. We did this anonymously for about a year before we screwed up and they found out. We give them gas cards and cards to the local grocery store. We sent them Omaha steaks. Etc., etc.
We DONT ask others to give to them also.
If 30% of the people out there did this, the poverty thing would shrink considerably.

Gwinnett County Georgia

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Thomas Jefferson

Uh oh

Meant to comment on a different post...sorry

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When Government took over helping the poor

The churches pulled back on these efforts. Not many are set up to help strangers. Also they have poor among themselves and they are busy helping the people you don't see on the street. That is the advantage of belonging to a faith community.

Next, Because government did there job so poorly in giving benifts to people who never should have received them. They have taken the $ from those who truly have need today. Another law of unintended consequences.

Now as for those people you see. You cannot help them all. Try to spot the ones who are not crack heads, or self imposed poor. Take a few to an all you can eat buffet, pay the tab, and leave them to eat for 3 hours straight.

I never give money, I always buy food, or items and distribute.

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Merry Christmas

If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last

By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask

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Aquaponics, not charity

If we become self sufficient, we can then teach others to be. If you set up an aquaponics system to feed your family, you will be able to help others set up systems. You will get more baby fish and seeds than you can use. When you freely give away that which you do not need it is not charity, it is "potlatch." When enough of us begin to have that type of mindset, it will be Jubilee.
Empty warehouses every where, and homeless people locked out of them. Love is the answer, but people are so afraid of being taken advantage of... If you are freely giving what you do not need, how are you taken advantage of? Someone "undeserving" may benefit from your kindness, but that is not a reflection on you.

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LOVE!

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There is an easy way to find out for yourself.Go to a couple of thrift stores and buy about 20 blankets,Take these out and hand them to the needy on the street,Then ask yourself how you feel!You may experience one of the most incredible feelings you have ever felt.In this you will find your answer.

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Charity

There is nothing wrong with choosing to be charitable, but do not confuse charity with government welfare which is simply theft. Real charity means giving of yourself, real charity does not mean giving away some else's money, the product of their efforts. "Public" charity is forced charity, theft, slavery. "Public" charity is not a virtue, but a vice.

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I heard a stat

that said that eighty percent of homeless people are homeless for less than six weeks of their lives. At my church we have an awesome homeless ministry and many times we help people who are just down on their luck, and we often get to hear how they get new jobs and get their own place to live. One of the homeless guys and I worked together in the church for a couple of weeks turned out he was homeless because his wife divorced him and he told the judge if he didnt have to see her again she could have everything and the judge agreed to it and he walked away from two cars and a fully paid house, and ten years of marriage.

On the other hand their is a lot of homeless people who want money so that they can just get another drink or another high, for that reason please dont give these people money give them some food or take them out to eat.

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The average person...

The average person assumes the Govt is taking care of such matters. "The People"-based societal structures such as charities and churches have atrophied and more-or-less disappeared as the welfare state has ballooned into the behemoth it is today.

As far as the question of whether we have a moral responsibility to aid our fellow human-beings when they are in desperate straits? I think the answer is absolutely "yes" and don't see how it benefits anyone individually or any society as a whole to embrace social darwinism.

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What I have done...

once or twice was buy them a hot sandwhich, cup of soup or cocoa....what good does it do to give money to a person that has nowhere to put what they could possibly buy with it....

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I don't believe you would be capitulating

If we follow the Dr.s' orders. He stood on the stage in front of a national audience and spoke the truth. We all know it. We need to "change what we believe the role of government should be. If we think the government should take care of us from cradle to grave...police the world..etc. "

Congressmen Paul didn't talk about turning people out in the street. He talked about drawing down empire, taking care of responsibility and re-educating people to the proper role of government.

For speaking the truth he was ridiculed. We know the truth we just don't want to accept it. It won't be easy, I think Dr. Paul would be the first to admit that. He should know, he's been working toward that vision for a long, long time. But it can't be impossible, if it's impossible we are doomed.

Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio

Good question

and what if no family to fall back on? The gov't influences charity and one's ability to give. Taking away non-profit status from churches? How would that work out for homeless? Just keep giving to charities and food banks.

As much as 40% of homeless

As much as 40% of homeless suffer from a mental illness. It could be even higher. A large percentage also deal with substance abuse. Not all suffer from mental illness or substance abuse but many do.

This is a huge factor in trying to get people off the street.

Columbus, Ohio

I used to be homeless...

now I help them.. and feeding pigeons almost every day too...

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Homeless on 31st Jan in Dallas.

Well, we all never think it will happen to us, but of course it does. A neat freak, houseproud woman 66 on Jan 14 out of legitimate work for a year following an accident and bad lawyer choice now waiting for my apartment management to ask me to leave, as I no longer qualify to rent it it would be $730 this year. My application for recertification was denied. I am not destitute, I have an income of $928 a month, but it is not enough to rent an apartment or anything else. I have never missed a rent payment in the 3 places I have lived in 4 years, never bounced a rent cheque, but I am not qualified to lease, so I sit here with boxes stacked, suitcases packed and no where to go. My two little dogs, my companions need new homes, they do not understand why Mommy doesn't love them and is disposing of them anymore than I understand why life is disposing of me. I am leaving everything I worked for for 3 years, everything, just for the maintainance crew to ravage, I can't get anything to the resale stores, they are not accepting. Just taking a couple of suitcases and going to live in the car. I am going to try and keep my little dogs in the car just for safty and warmth. Yes, handicaqpped and with a myriad of medical problems that I can not afford to address. This is unbelievably cruel. To be evicted for non payment is one thing, to simply not qualify to keep your apartment because your income does not jive with what it should in a tax credit facility you have lived for 2 years, for over 62's, with a next door neighbour who is 58 and most people have have either $0 ret or $92 a month, I am frightened, no question. But I am not mentally defficient, can't find a job for several reasons but send out CV's by the ton, I look decent, dress well, well, that os a thing of the past now, and I can discuss world affairs with the best of them. So, what does someone suggest I do?. A real suggestion, not insinuate I am am simply a deadbeat.

Jan Freeman

Jan what exactly do you need?

Jan what exactly do you need? Money for a new place? let us know. I would love to give a Christmas gift to you and your pets. I am sure the rest of the DP family will kick in too.

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yo, sierra ...

... a week later.

Have you done anything to help Jan?

Update.

Hello Sierrahbt,

I must say I was so surprised by the caring notes from strangers, it made me sit and thing about what I could and should do, what I can do for others, always a ride somewhere if I am going, or offering to take someone without a car somewhere. Anyway, after the fear and terror of "what will happen", I know now what I need. So, I will try and tell you, wow!, is it difficult. I was so lucky to discover that I have been granted section 8 housing in Sarasota Fl, you see, I was trying everything and everywhere, as I thought I could get myself out of this terrible mess. Anyway, today I talked with an owner who is renting to section 8 tenants, it is in a decent area of Sarasota, Bee Ridge and Fruitville, not far from town. A good place for the erlderly to live. My head is clear now. I have never taken anything from anyone, but I know I need a loan to move to Sarasota. I would have my banking officer explain my situation, and make arrangements for a repayment plan. I try to take care of myself as you can see, but sometimes one has to say "I need help", but they need to know what it is they need help to do exactly. I do now, perhaps your offer of aid is still available, perhaps someone else has been helped instead, but for sure, I have learned that I can help someone through being helped.
I need to rent a u-haul to take my possesions and little dogs to another state, enought for my deposit, of course, rent and utility deposits and gas, you would be able to talk to the old landlord, the new one, my banking officer so you are sure this is a real person with real needs, but I think, with help, I can look forward to a better life with no fear of being forced out of a home just because my income doesn't suit the management company. I don't know if the offer is still good, but it would be so very appreciated. You see, you can't ask for help until you know you have a plan of action in place. This site is full of amazing people, stories, ideas, things to think about. Sincerely, Jan

Jan Freeman

So...do you need money now?

So...do you need money now? Can someone start a chipin for you? I would be glad to help out..

A Con

The company who contacted me were con artists. SRQ region section 8 closed in May of last year. I have tried all over the place for available section 8, there are few, some in Vermont. But old and arthritic I am getting more and more frustrated, no one wants to talk to me. And, there are others that are like me I know. But they have mortgages. I will end up at the end of this month taking what I can manage to get in the car and living in it for a while.

Jan Freeman