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Lefties Call for Alliance with Paulies Against War

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Wed Dec 16, 2009 | DailyKos

Citing Dr. Ron Paul's clear and unambiguous "non-interventionist" platform which condemns US troop presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, anti-war speakers at a rally headlined "No You Can't" called for an alliance between anti-war left and anti-war right on war and peace issues. Organized by the newly-formed anti-war coalition End US Wars, the rally was held in Lafayette Park in front of the White House last Saturday. The coalition announced a new alliance of national and grass-roots antiwar organizations and more than 100 leading peace activists. It featured a joint appearance of four former presidential candidates, former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, former Rep. Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader.

Newsblaze reported:

"Rally organizers are calling for the left to end its support for Obama now that he has committed to a troop surge, and to condemn and oppose Obama's war policy. In addition, the process will begin to replace Obama with an anti-war candidate, and to remove any pro-war legislators. Protests will intensify..."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/16/815000/-Lefties-Cal...



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In case anyone gets bored...

talking to the Progressives, you can always join the discussions with the Neo-Cons at:

http://www.tcunation.com/

Ron Paul 2012 for Peace

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

I just joined up under the same name...

it made me feel a little sick because of many of the comments I read. But then I thought, well if a lot of us "Paulers" do it, we could shake them up and make them look at Ron Paul as he actually is... dispel some of the awful untruths they are promoting.

How will I recognize y'all? I say we use the same names there. That way if we entice any of them to come and check out the Daily Paul they will recognize us.

Your thoughts?

Ain't nothing but a heart breaker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv5BYEOQYLo

All for freedom? Freedom for all!

Free includes debt-free!

i would be willing to set aside some of our differences

to put an end to these wars, as long as it does not require a new tax and another government department to do so.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

my first comment on DailyKos

I don't understand why people of San Francisco did not elect Cindy Sheehan and given a boot to Nancy Pelosi this war loving criminal.

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Oh, that is good, love

to know that answer. Hmmm, maybe, it is because the elections are rigged.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

They should call it

the Peace and Freedom Coalition.

Do you think they would

work with us to rescind the Patriot Act, I hope they are worried about their civil liberties as much as we are.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

We HATE the Patriot act

its just a file vile thing.. Another Obama fail. I like him.. but god.. listening to the wrong people.

I dont trust a Lefty

any more then I trust a communist, they are one in the same. If it comes to that on this forum ------------------------- I am outta here.

Remember that the State Run

Remember that the State Run News Media has been brainwashing us for Decades so the Left and Right quit talking to each other! Looks like they have suceeded. The only chance we have to win is to get 10 to 15% of them to join our cause.

The Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper- G W Bush

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

And do not think of us as evil

We just disagree on certain policy points. Heck even us liberals disagree. I have been called Paultard and other names.. I have even been called a racist because I voted for Paul in the primaries. But I do not care. Our nations rises and falls wiht us WORKING together in all things to make our nation stronger. I swear if you and I can agree to agree on some things and disagreee on others I am so happy and am not trying to convert you or something. I just want a stronger nation with creative peole like yourselves that can discuss learn and change with each other.. Do not let them split us up so we are weak.Corporations and Banks use our fears and our mistrust to keep us from succeeding. Lets work to get the war to end and then I promise you if you dont trust us to work with you and make our cooalition stronger you can blast us etc.. But if we help and get something started here can you think of it.. Libertairians and Progressivse, socialists and commies (although I have yet to meet one at kos) will be stronger and a lobby that will have to be listend too on things we agree. This will foster dialog.. something we have not had in 9 years. Lets do this together!

Love you.

Tim

Just want to make a statement

TimC:

First let me thank you for your support on the issues you do agree with most of the people that follow paul on. I absolutely do appreciate your insight and input on all matters. It does not matter to me if all of us agree on everything and I know we all will never agree on everything.

With that said...please make sure you do your best to understand why quite a few folks on this side of libertarianism will take issue with "going along to get along" with people that are interested in the government managing some portion of the economy. I think you are doing a very fine job of being patient and not getting hostile when others get hostile with you.

But (speaking in general terms) there are quite a few people that will look at government involvement in any sector of the economy as inherently evil. That is not an exaggeration of those views by any stretch. I am not out to convert you as I can see you are not out to convert anyone else. I am trying to give you a heads up as to why you will see a push back on joining teams.

I, like many others around here find it difficult to distinguish between different means of government control. Communism, socialism, and fascism, by people of the voulenturist/anarcho-capitalist/right-libertarian persuasion, are merely feathers of the same bird. We find any scheme that takes money from one group to give to another immoral. If you want to think of it as a religious belief instead of a logical frame of thought, fine, but most of us think of it as logical frame work because we know that government cannot get money to spend on its projects with out taking it from another citizen.

With that said I am practical and a realist. I don't ever expect to convert even a small percentage of the "left". There is no Utopian society. People will suffer, people will be poor, and not everyone will be satisfied no matter which poison you pick. That's for the most part is explained in Austrian economics...human wants will never cease to exist. The question boils down to what you believe is the fairest way to distribute wealth, capital, and goods through out society. In some instances (healthcare) its obvious you believe the government has better insight into this distribution of goods and services as opposed to the market. I don't wish to argue this point with you or any other "liberal".

If we can get together on ending the needless killing and waste of spending in our foreign policy, I am willing to concede a large portion of spending to secure government healthcare for those that need it. This position isn't any different than Ron Paul's, but that also includes one small concession where people are given the option to opt out of the government systems and be self reliant (medical savings accounts and no mandates to have certain coverage).

How those two points of view get reconciled and all works out is yet to be determined. What I am personally hoping for is an agreement to set aside our differences on healthcare until the trillion dollar a year militarism ends. I haven't clue how to reconcile differences on cap and trade either.

I see all other issues as a distraction from what the wars do to us. This can be looked at in many lights. Lets set aside all our differences to end these wars!

One last statement about the "left" that draws some concern from the people on this site that may have not been expressed is there seems to be a large portion of the "left" that does condone wars to "improve" the plight of other people of other nations. This is evident by the words of the leader of code pink and her support of Afghanistan war in the name of women's rights. Another example is the cry for involvement in Darfur. This is the where the term "isolationist" is used against us.

i am sure these views aren't held by all "lefties" , but how do you distinguish between different "factions"? Do you have any thoughts on this matter? Personally I can't find away around this issue and your input would be very helpful.

Sorry to use collectivist terms in grouping folks, but I struggle to find ways of expressing these things to people that I am unsure of without them. I don't believe in the left/right deal at all. I simply want peace and to put the merchants of death on a budget as close to zero as possible.

HI I lov your writing.

Lets see, I too believe you should be able to opt out of any govt system. Its all about individual choices and ideas. I am done with the prmitive reflex to say I belong to tribe A and Not b. So I look at every view and consider them. Fairly. Now that does not mean I do not catagoize people but I do so carefully and with the knowledge that catagorizations are full of problems. For instance you may see me as a commie but if you look at what I am saying about individual choces then you will know I do not believe the government owns anything. So I cannot be a commie. So by learning from and about one another we learn about ourselves and strengthen the binds of our diversity and indivaulalism.

So while I may consider myself a Democrtic socialist it does not do me justice. For I believe in personal freadom and liberty with the caviot, If individaul choices are taken away (property, life, freadom of speach and assembly) by corporations and they show they cannot be trusted, then regulat them in a incentive based way to ensure they want to do what is good"for the General Welfare:" of the nation. This is libertarian as I think of it. I have a choice to think whatever or do whatever I want. Now if it starts hurting other indivduals the government is the final protector (abilty to regulate, gaurenee trials etc) of my choice and liberty. It is God given that we are diffrent and I revel in it.. For that is the test of liberty. One nation.

I hope that helped answer the question you posed

i am sure these views aren't held by all "lefties" , but how do you distinguish between different "factions"? Do you have any thoughts on this matter? Personally I can't find away around this issue and your input would be very helpful.
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Peace Establises liberty and War restricts it,
Tim

YOWD5~You don't have to participate

In this outreach..as a matter of fact..with your attitude..please do not!

This is an outreach on the issue of non-interventionist foreign policy and I challenge you to get ANYWHERE on this issue with the current GOP leadership or faux tea party folks. You go try an outreach among those ...GOOD LUCK! Some here will try to coalition ON THIS ISSUE with the anti war left . So, if it is not for you, fine then but don't knock the effort!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

You're retarded.

You're retarded.

Ventura 2012

Have you forgotten about this...

Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, McKinney, Barr, Baldwin Unite under 4 Principles!

FOREIGN POLICY
THE NATIONAL DEBT
PRIVACY
FEDERAL RESERVE

Ron Paul held what he described as a “very important” press conference on September 10th in Washington, DC. The event brought four third party and independent candidates “together in unity” around a statement of principles. The event came as polls showed the presidential race tightening and third party/independent candidates getting combined votes of over 10% in swing states.The four candidates – Independent Ralph Nader, the Green nominee Cynthia McKinney, the Constitution Party’s Chuck Baldwin and the Libertarian Party’s Bob Barr along with Ron Paul agreed on the following four key principles:

Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.

Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.

The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.

The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ron-Paul-Press-Conference-b...

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

We should applaud all from the right or the left...

who are fighting for our freedoms. (Yes, I do remember this, wondered why he did that at the time, I realize why now.)

-I favor extending to Israel the same honest friendship that Jefferson and the Founding Fathers urged us to offer to all nations. ...This means I also favor discontinuing foreign aid to governments that are actual or potential enemies of Israel,--Ron Paul

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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dont let your keyboard hit you on your way out

Bye

That's a real Productive attitude.

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Don't forget a good whack

Don't forget a good whack across the forehead with the wireless mouse and printer!

The Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper- G W Bush

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

What's the deal with Peter Schiff turning into a Pro-War Neocon?

Does the senate really work that fast?

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

Please

Enlighten me. Show me your proof that Peter Schiff is a neo-con. Where are your links?

I'm not sure but he can make it up

by endorsing End US Wars list of demands
Our Demands
Reject any troop surge in Afghanistan.
Declare an immediate cease-fire in Afghansitan and Iraq.
Bring all US troops home in the fastest way consistent with the safety of our forces.
Stop Predator drone strikes that kill civilians.
Stop all covert CIA and private black operations in Pakistan and elsewhere.
Stop extraordinary renditions. Shut down all CIA black sites/secret prisons once and for all.
Stop torture of any kind.
Treat all detainees according to the Geneva Convention.
Close Guantanamo.
Investigate and prosecute all war crimes to the fullest extent.

Endorse away Schiff!
contact@enduswars.org

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Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

YES! YES! Make them support these resolutions!!

There is NOTHING in these resolutions I disagree with and I want to see a call to ALL our Liberty Candidates , Ron Paul, CFL, YAL and all pro peace non interventionists SIGN IN as a support group for this statement!!

We have some calls to make on this! Let's do it!

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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Call to action! Start Contacting Now!

Already e-mailed YAL and encouraged them to endorse End US Wars YAL contact page: http://www.yaliberty.org/contact

Also called C4L and told them to check this out.
(C4L#703-865-7162)
I encourage everyone to do the same.

C4L suggested that I also send a message to Ron Paul's congressional district.
Lake Jackson, Texas
122 West Way, Suite 301
Lake Jackson, TX 77566
Phone Number: (979) 285-0231
The e-mail will work best, let them know its coming
rep.paul@mail.house.gov

The website is www.enduswars.org

Endorsement Page for an organization
contact@enduswars.org

Endorsment Page for an Individual
join@enduswars.org

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

Event Invitation

I will be posting an Event Invitation on our Myspace Network for a Get Together at the DailyKos for Sunday Dec. 20th. The Anti War movement is something that many of us on the Space have always been pushing . The Majority of us have great respect for Ron Paul and his principles. I and many others also post countless bulletins for Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Adam Kokesh, Cynthia McKinney etc..

It has been made known that this will be a meeting to introduce ourselves and get down to the issue of Ending the Wars..

"Welcome to Mirkwood! Where the old toby is always fresh. The spirits come in pints and there is always shade to be found amongst the trees."

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Cynthia McKinney is a joke

and an opportunist. Why she has any credibility with you is beyond me. I look at the persons total record, not how they stand on just one issue. Of the names you listed I am only down with two of them --------------------------------- Ron and his son Rand. Those two are not against war, they just want it done in line with the Constitution which I agree with. Ron has stated that he is for a strong defense and to me that starts at our own borders. Nation building is what is caving our economy right now. You can have Kokesh, Mckinney and Kucinich -------------- none of whom belong on this forum.

Well thank you

LoL, For giving me the Liberty to support who I choose. That's awfully kind of you. Thanks also for sharing your opinion.

"Welcome to Mirkwood! Where the old toby is always fresh. The spirits come in pints and there is always shade to be found amongst the trees."

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

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YOWD, you are a participant here, not

the decider of who can be on the forum or what issues are allowed. this is a liberty site, that means a lot of diversity and differing opinions and strategies. Get used to it if your want liberty. Otherwise, YOU are the one who doesn't belong here.