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Important news from two passengers on flight 253

I'm not sure how to process this. So I figured I'd drop it into the think tank pit of DPers. My headspace gets exhausted at times and this is a place for answers and to relax for a bit.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_2...

Eyes wide opened.



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Important news from two passengers on flight 253

It was unbelievable really..

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If this event is not what the Big Megaphones are

trying to say it is then I think the prime motives are Patriot Act renewal and (more importantly) Gitmo/trials.

If they go through w/ criminal trials that allows introducing all manner of embarrassing, and worse, evidence into the public record.

Also, I am starting to suspect that one intent was to make the system look really bad-No passport, luggage and paid in cash. Too blatant. Make the current security look so bad that they can argue for draconian reforms.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Those are the goals

...regardless of whether or not the event is what the megaphones are saying. Whether an event is real or fabricated, it will always be capitalized upon as an excuse to further erode liberties.


I have been expecting this event (or one similar) since it was announced earlier this month that top-secret TSA security procedures were "accidentally leaked" onto the Internet.


And, yes, your presumptions about the response are correct: Barry Soto, aka U.S. President Barack Obama, orders reviews of watchlist and air safety


A few quotes about it from President Soto:

"It's absolutely critical that we learn from this incident and take the necessary measures to prevent future acts of terrorism..."

"We do not yet have all the answers about this latest attempt, but those who would slaughter innocent men, women and children must know that the United States will ... do more than simply strengthen our defenses..."

"We will continue to use every element of our national power to disrupt, to dismantle and defeat the violent extremists who threaten us, whether they are from Afghanistan or Pakistan, Yemen or Somalia, or anywhere where they are plotting attacks against the U.S. homeland..."


Does any of that sound familiar to you guys? When I read it, I hear Bush's voice and demeandor, just before we invaded Iraq.


For those of you who aren't aware, airports are already using cameras capable of seeing through clothing, and soon to come is a device (the FAST System, brought to you via U.S. Dept. of Motherland Security) that can detect your mood, inclination to hostility and et cetera, as you pass through it. Also, I would expect to see some sort of brain scan technology in airports soon, such as that which was used to convict a woman of murder in India because the system detected that she had memory of the murder.


I'm not sure how much more Draconian things can get, but never ever underestimate the creativity and resourcefulness of those pushing for it.


Whether or not this event is real, and regardless of whether or not they're telling us the truth about the details, expect it to be used as an excuse to further choke out civil liberties and move another step closer to the Orwellian state.

If you are a Muslim fighting

a jihad against Christians/Jews why would you choose a flight to the most Muslim city in the USA? Doing so wouls have the greatest odds of killing fellow Muslims.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

That's a very good question

...and you're questioning in the right line. However, as I understand (but not necessarily believe) the official story, the alleged plotter attempted to set off his explosives before the plane reached the city (while in flight).


Any time you hear, "Al Queda blah, blah, blah..." keep in mind that the BBC and GWB himself have openly stated that "Al Queda" (translated, 'The Base') is nothing more than a database of names suspected to be connected with terrorist activity.

who the heck

who the heck would allow somebody to board w/ just a picture of a passport? especially a manager.

We sons and daughters of linerty need to band together

take up what we need to clean house and in mass storm these
so called positions of power and throw these people on their asses out onto the hard, cold pavement. They MUST believe us to be the biggest bunch of idiots on the planet.
I'm sick of being disgusted and appalled by the actions of these criminals. If our so called law enforcement wont do it, then who will ?

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

They MUST believe us to be

They MUST believe us to be the biggest bunch of idiots on the planet.

They don't believe it, they know it. That's why they do what they do.

I'm living with zombies....

Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio

Dont you know you are sposed to charter flights... ; )

EOM

The Liberty a society retains is inversely proportional to the number of Lawyers in the Government.

Bump for the morning crowd.

Bump for the morning crowd. Be sure to check out the second article posted below as it puts together a very interesting picture.

Check out this quote from a CNN article

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/27/airline.terror.suspect/i...

An anonymous Obama administration official ...

"If we pulled his visa or banned him from flying, that would have alerted him you are onto him," the official said. "Whereas in some cases if you have a terror lead, you watch to see what happens when he travels, which could be more valuable."

Translation: letting a crazy onto a plane full of people and seeing IF he tries to blow it up is more valuable than not letting him on a plane and maybe not even having enough to arrest him

Defend Liberty!

well said patriot

the whole thing stinks "inside job" once again.

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Don Rumsfeld...

changed the rules of engagement for NORAD in September 2001. If you believe the "official story," (and I don't) airport security and the air traffic controllers failed miserably in their jobs. We should have prosecuted everyone from Bush on down for criminal incompetence. Instead, we subject ourselves to the same incompetent individuals. But, guess what, Boeing has been installing anti-hijacking software on every commercial aircraft since the 70s. Would it be a lot less trouble to punish these criminals than continue to put up with this BS? I know only one way...

I guess this means we need to better screen

our elderly non-muslim citizens.

yeah,

in the crotchal areas...

the up side is, MkKKain supporters may finally locate their head...

THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
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Security at airports have reached levels of insanity.

I travel heaps due to my employment. Every time I pass through security I prepare myself to limit the metals on my body. I remove my watch, boots, coins and belt and place them into the bins provided. Because of my metal snap on my jeans, the metal detector buzzes. The security dude asked me to open my jeans and he reached down with four fingers into my jeans. I pushed him away and barked, "where the f**k do you get off reaching so far into my pants." He denied reaching so deep into my jeans. I asked him to get his immediate supervisor. His supervisor said it was for my security to check me so thoroughly. This all happened within the boundaries between provinces of Canada.
Point being, how the heck does one get explosives on-board an international flight?

Eyes wide opened.

Whatever...they are using

Whatever...they are using this 'incident' to take away more freedoms and lifestyle.

At some point, we need to say that we prefer to take some risks than make our air travel totally miserable.

If they hate our way of living, they are succeeding at changing it.

If they hate our freedom, they are succeeding at having it destroyed.

If they are trying to terrorize us, they are succeeding.

Another HUGE piece of the puzzle

A friend of mine (known by many as stick) just posted this on Facebook. Pieces fall into place, and the picture isn't pretty.

Read the following article:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ICTS.html

The gist: the same security company, ICTS, was in charge of airport security for this man as well as all of the airports from which the 9/11 planes departed. ICTS is an Israeli firm with ties to Mossad.

on this site its stickles

on this site its stickles actually :)

I went for the more cuddly version of myself

Here we go with Mossad

again. When are we going to realize that we need to put them out of business?

Seems like it would be easy enough just by asking the perp who the man in the suit was. That info must be out somewhere.

Wonder what the deal is with switching the perps on the ground after it happened.

Here's the thing.

Who can get somebody onto a plane when he has no passport?
Only a high-level gov't official, probably in the State Dept. Or somebody that pulls the strings of somebody high up in the State Dept.

People don't normally get clearance to enter the country without a passport. That doesn't happen.
And they don't get told to let people on planes without a passport, by some "Mullah Al-Jihadist".

Somebody "in the know" pulled the strings to get this guy on the plane.

And I'm quite sure that "they" know who the "man in the suit" is, because the whole thing now clearly shows that this event was orchestrated by people in some gov't position.

The whole thing stinks...bad.

Right

that is pretty much the point I was making. I agree with you.

Actually...

If I remember correctly anyone can get diplomatic status by having certain documents apostilled and entered into the public record, and then travel internationally without a passport. Hawkiye probably knows about this, maybe he will chime in.