The Republic No One Lives In - The United States of America
On July 27, 1868, one day before the 14th Amendment took effect, an "Act" of Congress was passed. This Act was 15 United States Statute at Large,/55 known as the "Expatriation Statute." Though this Statute is no longer included in the United States Code, it has not been repealed and is still in effect./56 This Statute is extremely important because it is the public municipal law the individual can use for private purposes to remove him/herself from the private trust law operating in the public sector. That is, a private individual, who has found himself or herself bound by private law that is being used in the public sector to promote public policy of compelled performance which he did not have a choice in, can access the public positive statute law to move back under the liberty and protection of the Republic and its separation of powers.
The preamble of 15 United States Statute at Large is unique in that Congress laid the legal discussions to rest before the Statute took effect to assure it would not be tampered with legally in any way. It stands as written and is there for the citizens to use as Public Law for the private purpose of moving themselves from one political or territorial jurisdiction to another. This means there is a way out at anytime of any United States government policy or law, including those of its political subdivisions, that is based on private law. Whenever you find yourself bound by any compelled performance you had no choice in, you are operating in the jurisdiction of the United States government and its political subdivisions where there is no republican form of government and its separation of powers. By applying Public Laws for your private benefit, you can break that dictatorial jurisdiction anytime you choose.
The insidiousness of the 14th Amendment is that even though it is private contract law of a trust, it is not a bilateral contract where both parties sign the document after a meeting of the minds. The 14th Amendment is "quasi contractual." That is, it is not a true contract as recognized in the general common law, rather it is called an "adhesion" or "unilateral" contract where only one party binds himself. In this case, a person agrees to the private trust law merely by his silence. If a person does not speak up to let his choice be known, the trust will assume he or she is a part of and beneficiary of it. They will assume that you have gifted your life to the trust for the benefits they have to offer.
Under the 14th Amendment, the citizen [who does not make his choice known for or against the trust relationship], is assumed to be a beneficiary because he or she has not stated otherwise. As a beneficiary, you are an outlaw as far as the Constitution is concerned. You are operating outside of the Constitution. While operating outside the Constitution you only have relative rights under the Bill of Rights and the Constitution because private contract law takes priority over constitutional law.
You want to understand why we need to get back on the Republic go read the rest of this article: http://freedom-school.com/history/usa.html#expatriation
OK. Here is a website created by Jon Roland.
Jon is a Constitutional scholar who attended the Continental Congress 2009. As far as he is concerned the only Constitution is the one ratified in 1788.
Here is his website. This should clear up a lot of questions.
http://www.constitution.org/
Haven't studied closely
But what if we just set up a new government in say, OKC to govern all in The United States of America under the original Constitution and simultaneously sued for transfer of citizenship from DC to OKC on a claim of fraudulent maneuvers by DC. But put all that into legal terms.
Is that why there is a yellow fringe on the USA
flag to indicate this is 'admiralty law' outside the jurisdiction of the USA?
I just googled "repeal 14th amendment"
and got lots of good info. This is not a new idea!
14th Ammendment video-
http://www.dirtyunclesam.com/ Enjoy!
Don't you see the other posts?
(Answering Brit4RonPaul)
Do you not see the corporations CEO-CFO's-Public Officials resigning-retiring-jumping ship left and right?
Do you not realize a whole movement of people are using "US Code Title 5 Chapter 5 Administrative Procedure"-type procedural remedy to bring about commercial resolutions to outstanding debts-taxes and establishing and mainting claims?
Maybe these people hear the axes coming down? Maybe there are agencies chomping at the bit to start prosecuting mortgage/security fraud etc. and are gaining ground?
I know of a case personally where the bank defaulted so badly against a validation of mortgage debt that it will most likely result in jail time for someone.
Under our system, if someone perfected a claim against the President of Russia, and understood how to enforce that claim, that someone could collect on it.
It's like a computer....some people can turn it on and only know how to play solitaire.
Other's can use it to trade millions-billions in the commodity markets.
Other's can hack into DOD-mainframes (not me..lol)
A computer is just a tool.
Like banking.
It goes as far as we can. How far can WE go?
What do we really know about negotiable instruments?
What do we really know about how banking works?
What do we really know about commercial law?
Maybe if we started recognizing the creditor-debtor roles that are being played out in society, maybe (as we evolve into creditor beings) we can begin to strip away the commercial system all together and begin to re-enter the non-Commercial zone aka Garden of Eden-Heaven on Earth?
How much more will we create when we recognize our dependence on one another and the tremendous financial energy that cooperation can bring?
One thing is clear...we are going to have to figure this thing out together.
why doesn't the vote down
feature work?
Maybe the off topic section is what you are looking for, right next to UFO's
Here's some more info to digest in case you thought...
...expatriation to be your 'way out'.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Expatriation is NOT a way out
Expatriation is NOT a way out of paying Income Tax. It is, in the circumstance of most who expatriate, a benefit of expatriation. Most do not make over the minimum amount that requires you to continue to file for 10 years after expatriation.
But expatriation can not be used as a "tax avoidance", the State Department states quite clearly that when someone expatriates, Tax Avoidance can not be the PRIMARY reason for the individual's desire to expatriate. If they can show that Tax Avoidance is your primary reason, you will be denied Expatrition.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
A "benefit of expatriation"?
You are confusing expatriation with renunciation.
As long as you are a US citizen, your worldwide income is taxed. Very few citizens are chained to their government like Americans.
Not only are you still obliged to pay tax, but it is mandatory for you to file a tax return even if you earn no income (this is a "benefit" of being an expat). Not filing a return is a felony. PLUS, you are obliged to give your bank account numbers (including the account numbers of your non-US citizen spouse) and there are fines in the tens of thousands for not doing so. Does everyone oblige? Doubtful.
Don't think you can hide. The US has agreements with most countries and your new "hosts" will hand over your info to the IRS and any other US agency that asks for it.
Yippee!
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
Expatriation is the Act of
Expatriation is the Act of Renouncing allegiance to one's Citizenship, Nationality.
"If you expatriated after June 16, 2008, new expatriation rules apply to you if any of the following statements apply.
Your average annual net income tax for the 5 years ending before the date of expatriation or termination of residency is more than $139,000 (if you expatriated or terminated residency before January 1, 2009).
Your net worth is $2 million or more on the date of your expatriation or termination of residency.
You fail to certify on Form 8854 that you have complied with all U.S. federal tax obligations for the 5 years preceding the date of your expatriation or termination of residency.
Note. If you expatriated before June 17, 2008, the expatriation rules in effect at that time continue to apply. See chapter 4 in Publication 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens., for more information."
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,..., 2008
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part III >
§1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense;"
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08/usc_sec_08_000014...
You are confusing the 2 as being different because people move to other Countries without losing US Citizship, such as yourself, and then refer to themselves as Expatriates. Because Citizenhsip is presumed to be desirable, it requires that you tell them SPECIFICALLY that you do not wish to be a Citizen.
"The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government."
IF you have not complied one of the Expatriating acts found at Title 8 U.S.C. para 1481, then you are still a US Citizen, EVEN if you've taken an Oath in another Country renouncing your US Citizenship. Renouncing US Citizenship can only be done directly to the US.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
An expatriot is someone who lives outside their native country.
Those rules you site are to determine which tax law a person falls under when a person renounces their citizenship. The date you expatriate determines your tax status.
"The expatriation tax provisions under Section 877 and Section 877A of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) apply to US citizens who have renounced their citizenship..."
"You are confusing the 2 as being different because people move to other Countries without losing US Citizship, such as yourself, because Citizenhsip is presumed to be desirable, it requires that you tell them SPECIFICALLY that you do not wish to be a Citizen."
I know how to renounce US citizenship. I also know how one can have their citizenship stripped from them.
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
Yes, and no. The United
Yes, and no. The United States was originally several independent nations joined together by a Pact. This pact was named the Constitution of the united States. Each and every State was foreign one to the other.
Currently if one is a US Citizen, then they are RESIDENT of their "state". A resident is one residing, either temporarily or permanently, in a country other than their own. So if I'm a US Citizen, but a resident when living in Texas, then I must be living outside the United States when I'm living in Texas. Otherwise the very definition of resident that the US Government use would not be true.
So if I renounce my US Citizenship, and I live in Texas, then I have ALSO expatriated...
The Expatriation Act of 1868, and the 14th Amendment ratified the day after, took the people out of their States, installed them in the United States, and then moved them back to their States as residents. But there was no physical movement, it was all done on paper when the State Citizen registered to Vote. "Are you a US Citizen", check in the Yes Box, and sign you name. Wala, you are now a US Citizen, and of the State in which you reside.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
The officer for the US will not accept your
renunciation unless you hold a 2nd citizenship. So far as I know, Texas hasn't issued passports... yet.
Nevermind...
What would i know.
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
I know for a FACT that is not
I know for a FACT that is not true. I know several who have expatriated LIVING IN ONE OF THE SEVERAL STATES. And each year several hundred people do so.
You are Correct, Texas has no passport.
US citizenship has ALWAYS been voluntary. This is the truth to the IRS being able to make the statement that Income Taxes are volutary.
IRS Instructions for Form 8854
Expatriation. Expatriation includes the acts of relinquishing U.S. citizenship and terminating long-term residency.
This is taken from the Department of States website, does it sound like it is REQUIRED or is it only recommmended, to have another Citizenship prior to losing US CItizenship?
"Persons who contemplate renunciation of U.S. nationality should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality or are assured of acquiring another nationality shortly after completing their renunciation, severe hardship to them could result. In the absence of a second nationality, those individuals would become stateless. As stateless persons, they would not be entitled to the protection of any government. They might also find it difficult or impossible to travel as they would probably not be entitled to a passport from any country. Further, a person who has renounced U.S. nationality will be required to apply for a visa to travel to the United States, just as other aliens do. If found ineligible for a visa, a renunciant could be barred from the United States. Renunciation of American citizenship does not necessarily prevent a former citizen's deportation from a foreign country to the United States as an alien."
Even someone who has renounced their US Citizenship can be deported to the United States, even if you renounce your US Citizenship, Australia can still deport you back HOME. Your Country of Birth can NEVER be denied to you, this is International Law.
You should also understand there are several legal definitions of the United States, one of those is Washington DC and all US Territories, but does NOT include the several States.
Understand that in the US Statutes, an Alien is ANYONE other than a US Citizen, period. And a resident is anyone living in a land that is foreign to them. A Resident Alien is anyone that is not a US Citizen that is living in a land that is foreign to them. A Nonresident Alien is anyone that is not a US Citizen, but living in a land that is NOT foreign to them.
In accordance with the "Substantial Presence Test" you become an Alien Resident if you are in the "United States" as a foreigner from your land of origin for 30 days. So even if one has not applied for Residency, one still becomes a Resident Alien after 30 days in the UNITED STATES. A nonresident Alien who's Land of Origin is Texas, who does not go to the United States for more than 30 days, but remains in Texas, or in the Several States as allowed by the Organic Constitution, remains a Nonresident Alien.
On July 27, 1868 the Congress passed the Expatriation Act. On that day, the people of the Several States either Citizens or inhabitants of their State. the Expatiration Act was a public statement to those people of the "Foreign States" that they had the right to determine their Nationality, their Citizenship.
Then on the next day, the 14th Amendment was announced ratified and it created a new Citizenship, the US Citizenship. And what followed was the Citizens of the several foreign Naitons, the Citizens of the State, began to Expatriate from their States and into the United States. The people flooded into the United States, and out of their States, but still continued to RESIDE within their Nations.
But that Expatiration Act of 1868 is a 2 way door, it lets you in, and it will let you out. It has never been repealed.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
"I know for a FACT that is not true."
The IRS is the one with the guns and they decide who is a "tax citizen", not the State Department.
I can tell you that if you visit a US consulate in any foreign country and declare you want to renounce your citizenship, they will ask to see your 2nd passport. When it's obvious you don't have one, they will decline your renunciation. That, I can assure you. They know the immigration dept. in the country where they are based would go absolutely ballistic if they allowed a stateless person to leave the US consulate.
Even if you DID have a 2nd passport and DID renounce your US citizenship, that makes absolutely no difference to the IRS.
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"Expatriation includes the acts of relinquishing U.S. citizenship and terminating long-term residency."
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY RENOUNCED THEIR CITIZENSHIP!
This is a specific for form for people who have given up their citizenship. It's a definition as it pertains to THAT form.
IRS Form 8854 is required by the IRS to they can sort out which expats (those living overseas) have renounced their citizenship to avoid taxes so they can either put pressure on you to pay or bar you from entry into the US (blackmail).
"Under 8 U.S.C. 1182, “any alien who is a former citizen of the United States who officially renounces United States citizenship and who is determined by the Attorney General to have renounced United States citizenship for the purpose of avoiding taxation” is inadmissible to the United States, that is ineligible for entry to the United States."
Don't you know the tax code trumps the Constitution? Those people in TX may think they are no longer US citizens but they are most definitely US "tax citizens". Good luck to them.
I really think this is a semantics game we're playing here. There is the physical leaving (expatriation) or an "expatriating act", such as committing treason.
Whatever it is, it's lunch time for this expat.
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
The Tax Code is a part of the
The Tax Code is a part of the United States code, and ALL US Code trumps the Constitution IN RELATION to the US Citizen. The 14th Amendment created this citizenship, and Section 5 of the 14th Amendment allows Congress the Authority to Legislate FOR the US Citizen.
And yet the US Code derives FROM the Organic Constitution, one Unalienable right to enter private contracts, and the Organic Constitution prohibits the States from interferring in Private Contracts.
You are seeing this from the point of view of someone renouncing their Citizenship in a foreign Land, as in Australia, or Mexico, Canada. I'm looking at it from the point of view of renouncing and Expatriating from one of the foreign Land, as in Tennessee, Texas, North Carolina.
You are talking about renouncing before a Foreign Consulate in your view of a foreign land. I'm talking about renouncing Citizenship within the United States before the Attorney General.
Not all who renounce their Citizenship are "tax citizens". The Publications cited above give the guideline for who WILL be a "tax Citizen", and for how long they will be such. If you don't fit within those who remain a tax citizen, then you are NOT a "tax citizen". Basically I think it is if your average income over the last 5 years is $127,000 ir you are worth $2 million or more, you still must file. If you do not meet that, you are free from future fillings.
People who Expatriate their Citizenship, renounce their Citizenship, WITHIN the United States, recieve a letter from the State acknowledging this. Filling an INITIAL IRS form 8854 is required to renounce your Citizenship, you CANNOT renounce your Citizenship without having filed a form 8854. Whether you have to file an annual 8854 is determined by your finacial condition BEFORE you renounced your citizenship, as given in Instructions for Form 8854, or if you have committed an act AFTER that put you back under the IRS.
This is all in their publications and Statutes, it is not hidden. But as one reads it, it must be understood that it is a Legal Document. And words written in Legalese have different meanings than in common usage. You must know what their definitions are to understand their Laws. Sometimes they define words directly in the Statutes. If it is not defined there, then the next accepted definition is found in the Law Dictionaries, and finally if it is not found defined there, then the common English definitions.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Why would I Expatriate ??? this is my country ,they are the
foreigners(U.S.A). Along with the bar ass.
Look into the Northwest ordinance,it is an intresting document check it out.
Plus, the taxes / financial penalties
are huge. You lose a huge percentage of your net worth if you expatriate. I believe I read that somewhere (here) but I could be wrong.
You are not expatriaing your
You are not expatriaing your Country, you would be Expatiating your Status in your Country. If you are a US Citizen, then your status is basically that of Slave. Everyone has that choice availabe to them, Status as a US Citizen Slave, or Status as a US National Freeman.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
About Expatiation at the US
About Expatiation at the US Department of State:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
If you look on the left you will find other links by clicking the Citizenship and Nationality link. Don't expect them to tell you all you need to know, but one can see that they do honor expatriation, if done properly.
A good reading from the Justice Department on expatriation, "Survy of the Law of Expatriation 2002":
http://www.justice.gov/olc/expatriation.htm
Many might think that if you Expatriate that black helicopters are going to circle your house and Home Land Security is going to take you away to a detention camp. Quite the opposite, if you are a CITIZEN this may happen to you, but they only have jurisdiction if you are a Citizen of the US, or if you have made yourself a foreign enemy.
I would trust the Government to tell you how to solve your problems before I'd trust a patriot movement website. The Government does not lie, you may think they do, but they don't. All the information you need to remedy yourself in the Law is provided by the Government, you just have to know how to find it. And they are very truthful in the information they give, you just have to learn to speak the same language they speak. Their language looks amazingly like English, but it is not. Their language is Legalese, it mirrors the English language, but the words have different meanings than in English.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Legalese
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
What if the state officials just ignore the law?
Aaron Russo interviewed Ron Paul on "Freedom to Fascism". Paul explained that while the Federal income tax was illegal and unconstitutional, the IRS "had the guns".
If a defendant in a criminal trial does not recognise the jurisdiction of the court over him does that mean he can't be locked up? No, of course not.
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Go to your bank and ask to see the signature card you signed. Look at the back side with a magnifying glass and you will see in the fine print that you have agreed to abide by Title 26 of the U.S. code (of course the specific law will be different in your country) AND ALL OTHER APPLICABLE LAWS related to commerce and taxation.
It's a private contract outside the Constitution.
What he said!
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Thanks, hawkiye. I will tackle this long read in bits. There is a lot to digest, but it ties into what many of us have been working on.
State sovereignty efforts are important, but unless we understand and work on effecting the personal sovereignty side of things, we are only part way there.
State Sovereignty is a joke.
State Sovereignty is a joke. How can a State be a State if it has no Citizens? A King with no subjects is king of nothing, and a Kingdom with no subjects is no kingdom at all. And since the States are occupied by US Citizens and they have no States Citizens, there can be no Sovereignty except that of the US with in the States.
And if there is no State, then how can one claim to be a State Citizen? If the State Legislature is occupied by the Federal Citizens, then there is in fact only a Federal Government over this so called State. A Citizen is one who is a member of the Body Politic. If there is no State Body Politic other than the Federal Office, how is one to become a Citizen of the State? How people claiming to be a State Citizen becoming State Citizens of a Body Politic that doesn't/didn't exist? How can one claim to be such a Citizen, of a State Goverment that does not exist? How can a man in South Carolina claim to be the DeJure Governor of SC, as a Citizen of SC? How did he become a Citizen of a Body Politic before it existed, in order for him to run for DeJure Governor? The answer is that he didn't. He thought he did, but he didn't. There was no SC DeJure Body Politic BEFORE he became a Citizen of SC, therefore there was no Body Politic for him to become a Citizen of. One cannot be a Citizen of a nonexistant Body Politic.
And this is essentially why there can be no State Sovereignty, because the State is no longer a State, it is a District of THE FEDERAL STATE. In 1868 the Federalist got what they wanted, ONE NATION with now 50 districts. ONE STATE. If you claim to be a State Citizen, you are only claiming to be a US Citizen of one of the Districts, because there is no longer a Body Politic of each State.
Do not make the mistake of claiming to be a State Citizen, claim to be a State NATIONAL, or better yet a Citizen of the Kingdom of Jesus, which IS a REAL and recognized Body Politic.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Good read-
I'm trying to absorb it all.
If the constitution is just...
a "goddamn piece of paper"... then what does that make this statute?
A man who has hate in his heart is not a free man
The republican form and style
The republican form and style of the people on the land and on the counties was around long before the constitution and any statute. those documents are just illustrations of natural law and agreement of the men and women to deal with each other honestly and justly.
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It sure sounds nice
that there is a legal way out of this insanity. Too bad it's just words on paper. The people with the big guns and the high tech surveillance equipment, and the organization to use them against us, will swat us like flies if we get uppity notions about living under the law of the Republic.
I see posts about this issue that give brief explanations of the existence of this legal "out" but I don't see real life examples of people successfully living their lives accordingly. When I read these posts, I get the feeling that it's a trap.
Show me real people who can live normal lives under the law of the Republic.
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