Nullification...They're catchin on folks
Submitted by elviejo on Tue, 12/29/2009 - 10:30
Regarding nullification and health care, there’s already a growing movement right now. Led by Arizona, voters in a number of states may get a chance to approve State Constitutional Amendments in 2010 that would effectively ban national health care in their states. Our sources here at the Tenth Amendment Center indicate to us that we should expect to see 20-25 states consider such legislation in 2010.
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/12/21/health-care-n...
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How about the State Attorneys enforing
Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution.
NO STATE SHALL MAKE ANYTHING BUT GOLD AND SILVER COIN LEGAL TENDER. That is still the law of the land...
Now THIS is the blood that revolution looks like......
Don't give the Federal Government an inch, STICK to the STATES and put this monstrosity to bed....
http://www.votervoice.net/Core.aspx?AID=972&Screen=alert&Iss...
S 604......NO nationwide healthcare!!
Some have mentioned attorney generals stepping up to the plate
AGs in 13 states have, but only to say Congressional leaders must remove Nebraskas political deal from the Healthkill bill because it is unconstitutional.
How about the bill itself is unconstitutional?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091231/ap_on_re_us/us_health_ca...
Hear Hear! Good point!!
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Debbie
Wake Up Your States Legislature
Tell them to stop being a lacky to the feds and start earning their pay attending to your needs and wants.
The federal government does what it does but it takes the acquiescence of the state and local authorities to implement. We can stop the federal government at our respective state lines as they do not have automatic jurisdiction within any of the 50 states party to the Constitution. To do this we need to redirect the focus of our state legislatures. This Pink Slip and Notice and Demand is as the proverbial two-by-four that will get their attention.
Pink Slip Your State Legislature
http://www.ubotrust.com/pinkslipyourstatelegislature.html
So you believe you need someone else's permission?
So you believe you need someone else's permission to not pay for goods and services you don't need? Services such as government healthcare for example. Only if your state legislators say you don't have to pay are you then entitled to not pay for it?
It will only take about 1 mass public trial/hanging for
the idiots to take note for a few generations not to screw with the people of the country or bad crap will happen TO THEM PERSONALLY!
The Liberty a society retains is inversely proportional to the number of Lawyers in the Government.
doesn't this mean we will
doesn't this mean we will still have to pay for other people's healthcare? The states can say no to nationalized healthcare but the states the states cannot stop the increases in income tax that will come out this.
bump
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Yeah... should Congressmen voting for this Healthcare
legislation be held for treason?
I would suspect at least one of the 50 Attorney Generals would have the balls to point that out...
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wouldnt it be better
for the states to draft charges against their congressmen and senators that voted for the bills and then put them in prison, or better yet public execution for high crimes against the state, that way even if the supreme court ruled in favor of the law the new set of legislators would have a fire under them to repeal the old law.
Yes, they would get a trial just as any other criminal, then go
to jail.
Debbie
So, all we have to do is vote
So, all we have to do is vote for states attorney generals who are willing to do this. Lets make this the only platform they run on.
I would prefer death be
I would prefer death be hanging in the public square. We should take example of how the Honduran people recently did it.
I agree
But most people are to squemish for this sort of thing that is why I put the prison stuff first.
This whole health care thing
This whole health care thing will be a teachable moment for the sheepish Americans on how their Constitution works.
Again I'll ask
Who here believes it's necessary to get someone else's permission to not have to pay for goods and services that you don't want?
Or are all of you reading this so blind and ignorant that when certain 'special' people tell you that you must pay or else or that it's OK not to pay only then can you formulate an opinion for yourself?
It is absolutely necessary to
It is absolutely necessary to get such permission. What most don't understand it that by continuing to acknowledge yourself as a US CITIZEN, you are consenting to abide by the Regulations, WHATEVER they are, that the US Congress passes. If you don't want to participate in what they pass, then remove yourself as member of that Body Politic. Everytime you vote or pray to a member of Congress, you are acknowledging that you are a member of the Democracy. And you know well that in Democracy you must suffer your losses as the minority as well as cherish your wins when your with the Majority. And if you have been silent on your status then they assume that you desire to remain a Citizen.
Read this page at the US State Department, they make it quite clear that it is assumed that one wants to be a US Citizen in ALL cases unless you SPECIFICALLY tell them you do not want such status. It has been this way since the inception of the US Citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Ok. By your logic then you owe me one quadrillion m&m's
After all, you silently consented to the document which I crafted and had witnessed by 40 other people (hey, that's one more than witnessed the US Constitution, so it's got to be more valid, right?) by calling yourself 'human'. Heck, it's all clearly spelled out in my document, one which I called THE CONSTITUTION (notice the all caps, making it all legally official and binding like)
OK, enough of the joking around. Let me speak to you seriously. You really don't think I have the ability to impose on you anything contractually binding in a legal sense without your explicit consent, do you? So why then do you grant such status to certain 'special' people? You're falling for the very line of BS (that's slang for BenStein, not bullshit) that you warn others of; granting legitimacy to those who claim legal ownership of you, your labor, and your property.
Unless of course you happen to actually belive that silly bullshit that you are somehow beholden to my demands, provided of course that I write them down in the proper religious ceremony. If that's the case, pay me my m&m's you silly bastard. Or I'll send my legions to come collect them from you.
Yes you must get my explicit
Yes you must get my explicit consent. But for my son, you do not have to get his explicit consent, you have to get MY explicit consent, or his mothers.
When you were born you parents registered you as a US Citizen, and that is their lawful right to do as the parents. This is established in ancient law, for several thousand years. When you reach the age of emancipation, the age in which you are able to FULLY provide for yourself, then YOU can decide to take yourself out of what your parents enrolled you in. You do know that Birth Certification or registration is enrollment?
Your parents put you under this contract. If you have not objected to it then they assume that you are in agreement with it. And I must say that that is a reasonable assumption on their part, after all millions and millions of people come to this land desiring such status, and very very few ever object to their status. It is therefore reasonable to assume that if you have not objected that you must desire what your parents gave you.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
question
TxRedneck,
If someone renounces their citizenship, are they then exempt from paying into healthcare plan?
Yes, you would be exempt from
Yes, you would be exempt from ANY of the US Statutes, Codes, Regulations. You would be bound by Common Law, the law of No Harm No Foul. You'd be exempt from Health Care, Social Security and Income Taxes. The Income Tax part though has an exception. If they can show that the only reason you renounce your Citizenship was to avoid income taxes then you will still be liable and required to file a return for 10 years after you have renounced your Citizenship. You will also have to pay your tally of bricks if you have a debt with them. You must be free and clear finacially, and able to take complete care of yourself without any benefit from them. They cease to be your father, and you no longer live under their roof. Don't call the police to protect you, but they won't be taking away your guns either. You will have all of your natural rights, and the right to protect oneself will be among those rights.
But this does not come without a catch. If you use ANY, just one tiny single benefit of the Government, then you will be in violation of THEIR Law. If you renounce your Citizenship, then you are cut off COMPLETELY from them. The Covenant of Circumcision.
And you will need to claim a Nationality, which would be the State you were born in. International Law does not allow people to be Nationless. If you claim to be Nationless you will automatically be under the Jurisdiction of the United Nations, and your Nationality will become the World.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
I have your explicit consent. You breathe air!
I spelled it all out clearly. Any life form upon this planet that calls themself 'human' or that breathes 'air', or that takes a 'poop', 'crap', 'dump'. or otherwise eliminates fecal matter has consented to the terms I clearly laid out in THE CONSTITUTION. Heck, the 40 people who witnessed THE CONSTITUTION (not to be confused with The Constitution for The United States of America) even signed in ALL CAPS!
Pay up on the M&M's big boy. Or else.
You know, I'm still waiting for you to take a pro-liberty
position in this forum.
Renouncing your Citizenship
Renouncing your Citizenship is about as Pro Liberty solution as you will find available. It is freedom.
Thou shall have no Kings before God, lest one losses his liberty.
"Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled by tyrants" William Penn
This is where we are now, ruled by Tyrants, BECAUSE WE HAVE CONSENTED TO SUCH. If you want freedom you have to be free from the Rule of Tyrants. To be free from the rule of tyrants we have to first understand how they come to rule us. It has been the same for thousands of years, by our consent. Or as men would call it in old English, by the Covenants we make with Rulers. Nothing in this has changed, it goes back farther than the Bondage of Egypt where the people made an agreement with the Pharoah and through that agreement they gained benefits from his goverment in turn for the lose of their freedom.
Pro Liberty position, "Renounce your US Citizenship and claim Citizenship under the King Jesus who exercises no Authority over his people".
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
If these States nullify
If these States nullify National Healthcare in their state the Supreme Court of the US will override their nullifications. It will be based upon the 14th Amendment Citizenship. The States cannot enact a Law that would prevent a FEDERAL CITIZEN from receiving FEDERAL BENEFITS. The FEDERAL Government can give any benefits to ITS Citizens it wants to, and can force ITS Citizens to pay for that benefit. The States cannot tell the FEDERAL Government what it can and cannot do in regards to the FEDERAL CITIZEN. The Citizens living in the States are Citizens of the FEDERAL Government, not Citizens of the States.
The 14th Amendment Citizen is a UNITED STATES Citizen, and a resident of the State in which they reside. The States could tell their Citizens not to participate in the Health Care, if they had any Citizens.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Then they will just nullify the Supreme Court!
Secessionism is coming, and sooner than you think.
(And long overdue!)
Speedily and in my day!
(you are right, It is long overdue!
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
That's wishful thinking. The
That's wishful thinking. The Federal Government sends in the National Guard when the State disobeys, and history shows that the States fall in line when such happens. The State Legislatures know this, and the ones who are putting forth these amendments are likely only doing so so that they can go to their constituients and look like conservatives. But they already know what will come of their amendments.
The Federal Government will allow secession. But they will not allow the States to keep their property, and a US Citizen belongs, by jurisdiction, to the Federal Government. The Colonist were under the Jurisdiction of the English King in 1776, and the King does not let his people go quietly.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Yes, but it DID happen, didn't it?
By your "logic", the Soviet Union is still alive and kicking, because of course the constituent breakaway republics "fell in line", right? Oh, wait, that didn't happen, did it?
It isn't a question of what the federal government will "allow", it is more a matter of to just what degree will they will be forced to acquiesce to irresistable social and political forces.