The Window War--The Time Is Now!! (YOU NEED TO READ THIS)

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This is being riposted,since the original post is disabled due to the upgrades..(eventually it may be fixed, however people need to see this now--the rage against the over spending of our runaway politicians-- should spark something similar!!)

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Nystrom comment and update. The original post is not disabled due to the upgrade, it has been removed, as has yours, for two reasons.

1) Please read the posting guidelines, again. DO NOT REPOST THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF OTHER ARTICLES ON THE WEB ON THE DAILY PAUL! Why can't people understand this utterly simple concept? The web is a network. You link to people, others link to you. Don't take other people's stuff and repost it. Not only is it bad 'netiquette' it ends up costing me time and effort, such as this. And if not this, some days, weeks or months down the road, I'll get an email saying, "You've reposted my entire story without authorization." No doubt they'll think I know exactly where it is. I'll have to email them back, asking, what are you talking about? To which they reply "my story about the Window war (idiot!)." Again to which I must respond - "This is a big site - a lot of people post stuff to it. Can you provide me with a link?" etc. etc. etc. It is a hassle - one of the hassles involved for me in running the Daily Paul.

Try as I might, people seem not to be able to understand this simple request: DO NOT REPOST THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF OTHER ARTICLES ON THE WEB ON THE DAILY PAUL!

2) The article that you've posted here on my website advocates violence. I do not advocate violence, and as a result I have removed it. Although at the top of the page, it does state, "Please Note: this is a work of fiction. No action by any one is requested or intended," it talks about using rocks to break windows of other people's property. It is a story that glorifies the use of violence to achieve one's ends.

Now you might think it is funny or whatever, or you may honestly think this is a way to win the revolution. I do not. You may be able to hide behind a screen name and anonymously pepper the internet with whatever suits your fancy, but I'm not hiding behind a screen name. This is my real name, this is my real site, and these are my values.

In the end, I know there will be howls of "censorship" - Nystrom is "censoring." If this is your response, please save it, for you have failed to learn some of the most important lessons of the Ron Paul revolution, and that is the lesson of private property and personal responsibility. Let me just give you a refresher:

1) The First Amendment, aka "freedom of speech" does not apply here. I own this site and it is my property. Therefore, I have the right to discriminate what appears and does not appear on these pages. I am indeed "censoring" my site, which is my right. You may distribute your literature in any number of ways you see fit. You can Xerox it and pass it out to neighbors and strangers, or stand on a street corner with sandwich boards, or post it on Craigslist, or create a site of your own. Your right to free speech has not been violated.

2) I am responsible for this site. Whatever goes on on these pages, ultimately, it is my ass that is on the line, and my name. I don't take that responsibility lightly.

I think we can win this fight peacefully. I do not advocate violence, and will not tolerate violent calls to action on my website.

Thank you for your understanding.

Michael Nystrom
Founder and Editor
www.dailypaul.com

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"Specific events, regardless

"Specific events, regardless of their actual importance to history, sometimes capture the human imagination. In doing this, they become rallying points for masses of people. They become pivotal to political careers. Such events can bring about the collapse of governments or determine the outcome of elections....Except for clueless and apathetic persons, America has been split into two hostile ideological camps. One is the anti-communist or anti-statist camp, which looks to traditional moral values, the Constitution, a strong family unit and the free market. The other camp is socialist or "progressive" in its outlook, globalist and environmentalist in its policies.

There is no reconciling the two futures these camps represent. One or the other will win in the end. The war up to now has been waged in the political and social arena. The time is fast approaching when this political and social "war" will spill over into armed conflict-- real civil war. If it does, it will happen mostly because everyone thinks it impossible. For sixty years, the liberals have used our respect for the law against us. Each time they moved the line of law to further their agenda, breaking off a bit of the Constitution, we, as law-abiding citizens have backed up grumbling but complying. And why should they stop pushing us back from our God-given liberties? We've never pushed back to stop them. We have been TOO law-abiding.

Remember one thing: Adolf Hitler was elected, and the Nazis passed laws justifying every horrible act they later committed. In such a country, law-breaking is not a crime but a virtue. Before we get too far down that road, perhaps a little window-breaking is in order. Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed. Let us avoid that if we can. But history holds such windows of opportunity open only so long, and ours is rapidly closing. Perhaps by breaking the window now, we can escape the horrible alternative. And if in the unlikely event my modest story should become fact, somewhere The Sons of Liberty will be smiling."

http://www.lizmichael.com/windowwa.htm

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

Michael....

a couple things...

-- first as for posting entire articles ... I am very careful (usually) to not do so. This particular one I just copied from the original post without checking it (I assumed it was not the whole article..but upon seeing your reference I saw that indeed it was the whole article)
I will be more cautious of this in the future.

-- As for the article itself.. I was under the assumption that this story was actually what happened.. however after doing a bit of research, I found that the author made the entire story up... (as an example to inspire people) When I first saw this posted on DP I was under the impression that the story mostly was true.. now that I know that it is not..I am quite dismayed.. (and had I discovered this on my own I would have either edited the post or deleted it..) I thought this was a recent example of Americans saying enough is enough.. now I see that it was just a made up story.. Americans still have not found their backbone...

--- As for violence... As a rule a violent reaction to any situation will or may end up badly for both parties/groups of people in the long run..and as long as there is another option to protect ones self and ones nation without the use of violence then that is obviously what should be done.. however.. there comes a time and place in life where being the door mat to the evil powers that be is just not the way to go ... The original colonists knew this ..George Washington knew this..and all/or most of the Founding Fathers knew this.
Only after they exhausted every other known remedy to their injustices of the day did they begin to pursue other methods..(aka civil disobedience--ie Boston tea party, burning of HMS Gaspée,and tarring and feathering of the British)Eventually groups such as the sons of liberty took hold and planned/executed many of these events... Samuel Adams was one of their leaders.. and eventually these groups became known as the Committees of Safety. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Liberty

I am sure if Dr. Paul was interviewed about the above events ..he would say that they were justified and useful for the birth of our nation. He may (and has)even said that such events may need to be done in this day and age in order to regain our freedom once again.

While violence should NEVER BE THE FIRST OPTION there are times where it is the only way forward for a society to preserve, gain, or regain its freedom.(unless of course death and martyrdom is desired)

If it weren't for the still obvious need for some violence in order to protect our freedoms on such a barbaric planet, violence of all types could be eliminated. But while civilization evolves beyond dictatorships/tyranny etc. other options could be used. However there are times where no other such option remains(that is if you want to preserve life/freedom)... I urge people to show restraint until the time comes when there is no more restraint possible. (ie they are rounding up your family, friends, etc or are about to murder them via forced injections, etc) When that time arrives for each individual or groups of individuals may they make the wisest choice possible.

I also realize that both for your safety, and per your personal stance, that you do not want any posts here that call for a public uprising...via a violent one. Again, the only reason I posted this story to begin with is I thought it was a historical fact..(with just a few names changed) Now that I know it is not, it changes my entire perception of the story, and I can see why you thought I may have been attempting to incite violence....

for those who did not read the article and desire to please google "The window War"

thanks

(one last thing, are all threads that are un-postable, or locked done intentionally? or is it a blanket thing where many posts got turned off do to the switch to the new server? It seems that almost any thread over 2-3 weeks old is locked up.

I agree we need to get on the ball

with some form of resistance, or non-compliance.

we should all be boycotting the entire corrupt system, unplug ourselves economically... Stop feeding the beast. Practice economic non-compliance.

Octobox has had some good posts on counter-economics:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/118171#comment-1273256

The Counter-Economics Movement is practiced by everyone it's just un-conscious for the most part -- It also does not "announce" itself at the local level.

It's impossible for the Gov't to stop it.

Swap Meets
Garage Sales
Farmers Markets
Under-the-Table Employment
Scrap Yards
and Localism

There are more examples -- We just need to energize people (basic education) and build entreprneurialism into the model.

The simple fact is C-E is how you Keep a free-society according to Mises -- It is therefore how you get into one.

Sell this to the soon-to-be disenchanted/unemployed, help them unplug. Obviously one needs to be careful advertising the 4th one on the list, but it's always been there and will become more popular as people see what they're funding.

Problem-reaction-solution

Only this and other ideas can/will be better solutions than the corrupt system will provide.

As for fema camps, pandemics, martial law, or other depopulation agendas I don't see a way to organize resistance to that other than to continue spreading information and hope for critical mass.

The final option for me is to defend myself and loved ones if it comes to that, and I'm sure most everyone who's been here for a while has already prepared their self for that one way or another.

Oldhickory: You nailed it

You hit a great point.

"As for fema camps, pandemics, martial law, or other depopulation agendas I don't see a way to organize resistance to that other than to continue spreading information and hope for critical mass."

That says it all -- "as for these...." all's we can do is "...hope for critical mass"

Then you jump right back into individualism (self-defense) as the practical response; when we combine that with "economic non-compliance" as you said we have closed the loop.

"Economic non-compliance" (counter-economics) closes the loop with only consumers on the inside and entrepreneurs and wealthy investors on the outside -- while the dragon of gov't lays wasted and slain.

That's a great phrase it sounds Gandhian, "economic non-compliance."

Great Post I'm glad to know there are a few on DP (in the world) that "get it" -- We only need a few spread out to make the shift from collectivist voting/lobbying to "collectivized" consumer-individualism.

Octobox

Uh, who reposts entire articles?

I've rarely seen that happen. 99% of the time if sometime is posting an article they just give the link.

Hey Jdayh

I wish I was fifteen years old again and awakened, if we all were fifteen again, we would not be able to vote, but we sure could break alot more windows to get the ball rolling. The crazy stuff I did when I was fifteen was revolutionary material, only back then I did not have a family and could not go to jail for long, I did go to jail a couple of times. Rock on Jdayh, when is dailypaul having a sleepover party, maybe we could paint a night on the town ;).

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Just went and read "The Window Wars"....

Violence? I must have skipped that paragraph.

How does civil disobedience equate to violence? Nowhere in the fictional account did anyone get hurt nor did they ever give way to 'violence'.

It was very much a 'Tea Party' type scenario. The hostility felt for the powers-that-be were steered toward inanimate symbols of that power. The message was received and there was no bloodletting.

Sorry, this does indeed smack of censorship. I can appreciate not posting the article itself due to copyright infringement but seriously, I think the whole reaction to the article is way over the top.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Further commentary

Food for thought

Thanks for the Ram Dass - Terrence Mckenna video.

A friend of mind told me that same that anecdote a few months ago. I bet those two had some interesting conversations.

Thanks

I didn't know that was Terrence McKenna with him.

I bet they did have great conversations.

Sadly, I know who wins in that scenario....

Pacifism makes for spectacular massacres.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Far fewer pacifists fall from the gun or sword than do

soldiers or civilians.

Nagasaki
Hiroshima
Civil War
Vietnam
Mao
Stalin
Hitler

Very few pacifists (in the Gandhian sense of it) died during those bloody battles; mostly they were soldiers and cowards and women and children.

don't mistake the righteous

don't mistake the righteous for pacifist.

i don't make idle threats.

pacifism only occurs

when one does not respond to violence already initiated against them. a principled stand is a righteous one.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

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It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

There is more to this place than meets the eye.

Wonderful principled response

Thank you Michael.

Not to disagree in any way with your comments, but add and point out that violence frequently accompanies revolution and that those most strongly opposed to violence can end up being the first targets.

God grant us ALL the wisdom and strength to avoid that.

> The First Amendment, aka

> The First Amendment, aka "freedom of speech" does not apply here. I own this site and it is my property. Therefore, I have the right to discriminate what appears and does not appear on these pages. I am indeed "censoring" my site, which is my right.<

That is why criticizing MSM be it FauxNews, CNN, MSNBC or New York Times does not make sense. Owners of those institution have a right to discriminate what appears and does not appear in their broadcasting or pages. Marginalizing Ron Paul during election was their right. Any employee of those private organizations: journalists, writers, publishers can distribute their findings, thoughts and assessments in any numbers of ways... they can xerox it and pass it to neighbors and strangers.. if they really think aspartame, mercury, fluoride or rBGH hormones in milk poses serious risk of cancer they can stand on street corner with sandwich boards or create their own organization but endangering profits of private news organization by enticing hate towards Monsanto can't be tolerated and will result in termination of employment of such irresponsible journalists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw

Technically you are absolutely right and I fully agree with not advocating and not tolerating violent calls to action on your website but I don't agree the first amendment aka "freedom of speech" apply only to speeches given at street corner.

I am sympathetic to your view

It is a very complex subject, one that I've thought about quite a bit. There are no clear answers, and the problems run deep.

Unlike many libertarians, I do believe there are such things as 'public goods.' I believe that the public airwaves are one such public good. Broadcasters (TV and radio) buy the airwave broadcasting rights from the government. Ideally, this would not be happening, but this being the case, they should be subject to some kind of public responsibility.

When you get to cable news stations, there is still some government regulation, though I'm no expert. At any rate, it is expensive to start a cable station as well. Such massive expenses can only be supported by huge corporate advertisers, all of whom receive special treatment and ill-gotten gains from government policies that are tilted in their favor.

Add to this our terrible education system that does not teach people to think critically. Most of us here on the Daily Paul know that 99% of cable/tv news is complete BS, propaganda, brainwashing, agenda setting, selling, etc. The sad part is that most of the general population doesn't know this. They are thus easily manipulated by the crap pushed out by Faux and the likes.

Like I said, these are complex problems.

When it comes down to my website, however, things are much more clear -- at least to me. The internet is an extremely democratic medium. Seriously, I'm just a dude in my kitchen running this operation. Anyone can do it. There are no licenses, no government regulations, no red tape of any kind. Buy a domain name and off you go. It really is quite free. This is why we all love the internet. In fact, you don't even need to spend any money at all. Anyone can set up a free blogspot account, and draw huge traffic - you don't even need to know any server technology, HTML, nothing. All you need are some ideas and the ability to type.

So there is a difference between Faux News and me, and what I choose to allow on this site.

But I agree with the points you make. I don't know how to resolve them. It is a huge Gordian Knot.

Michael

my personal view of this is that you are chosen to be one of the human beings that will help bring peace to this planet!

Thank you for allowing our voices to be out there!

hugs*))

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I don.t know what label would

I don.t know what label would fit me as any I try to attach do not fit me completely but I also believe in such things as "public goods". I believe in COMMON INTEREST and COMMON SENSE but I oppose COMMUNISM I believe in social movements and social responsibility but don't consider myself socialist, for many years I supported republicans although I don't believe free market can exist, I am for decriminalizing drugs and prostitution against wars and policing the world but I think issuance of REAL currency should be done by government not private banks. I don't know
where I am on abortion... I don't like it but...

Let just say that what you have to do sometimes is in order to protect "common interest" and "common sense"and common good of all participants. Don't call it censorship please :-)
Some heroes become heroes only because they were not afraid of breaking THE LAW.

my guess you are of Polish roots

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Love is all that really matters
here is a song i want you hear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR0kc

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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul

But they're using the public's air waves

to supposedly report the news. Lying when reporting the news and trying to sway the outcome of elections is not in the public interest; they should have their FCC licenses revoked.

The reality is this nation

The reality is this nation was born of violence, I can't think of any time in history freedom was won without it. It freed this nation, it stoped Nazi Fascism (at least temporarily) and a host of other things. While I and I am sure Jydah and most would hope to avoid violence, however you're not facing reality.

I am sure Sameul Adams and other founders got similar responses when they advocated revolution against the king.

The reality is Tyrants don't care what your values are and will trample all over them and kill you despite what you think. Breaking a few windows is hardly a call to violence compared to what it has taken to bring forth this nation. It is an attempt to the avoid real violence it has taken to win freedom and preserve it.

The fact is inaction is what will lead to the violence we all wish to avoid. It has ever been so and always will be. Tyrants oppress because they can, because no one or not enough say no, and because no one stops them when they ignore no!

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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!

Get Prepared!

we may have won some battles for freedom with violence

but, looking at the state of the world, it's obvious that we have never won the war. I don't think we'll ever win that war through violence. I think it has to be done through a consciousness change. We're no longer in the age of muskets. When it comes to violence, they have the upper hand. They also have power because we comply in giving them that power. By following their orders. By playing their game. I don't claim to know the answer, but considering the age of weaponry we live in, I would like to at least consider mass non-compliance as a force to be used before resorting to violence. I think if people give it some thought, they might find that it's actually a greater power.

we are the Remnant

Good point

I agree with that. I think Hawk would probably agree as well.
Winning a battle vs. winning war.

Nice response

And I agree with you completely.

To say that violence is and always has been the norm is not a very creative way of thinking. It is just a death sentence to more of the same of what we've seen throughout history, forever, until we change our ways.

You are correct to say that we need a change in consciousness. Some might say that this is pie in the sky, new age thinking or whatever, but not me. There are heroes that have shown the way, and these heroes are Dr. Paul's as well: Thoreau, Gandhi, MLK.

The entire history of man is a history of changes in consciousness. This is what I'm aiming for in this struggle, and I will accept nothing less.

Thank you for your post.

Tyrants don't give damn about

Tyrants don't give damn about a change in consciousness. Until they are eradicated from the earth there will always be the need to defend freedom physically. To think otherwise is indeed "pie in the sky" and naive.

I love peace as much as the next guy however as long as there are evil people in power pacifism will never accomplish anything. It led to WWII. Nevel Chamberlains pacificsm toward Hitler and his aggression and subjucation of the Czeck Republic when they had a treaty to defend it along with France against such aggression allowed Hitler to grow from a Tin Pot dictator into a world power and suck the whole world into war. Had he acted on the treaty as Churchhill warned Hitler would have been defeated easily and done with.

Ghandi MLK etc. never won freedom with thier pacifism.

That is the reality!

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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!

Get Prepared!

If tyrants don't give a damn about consciousness change...

why do they use so much propaganda?

Tyrants gain power because people comply.
Tyrants build armies because people comply.
And the people will continue to comply unless there is a change in their beliefs and values. Don't you notice that they kill the leaders who preach peace & love? Peace & love is their enemy. And any enemy of theirs is a friend of mine ;-)

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.
- Albert Einstein

we are the Remnant

Hawkiye, Calls for civil

Hawkiye, Calls for civil actions of "destruction" or "violents" or that "might" cause injury to the infrastructure of our nation, are listed in Black's Law Dictionary and also in the good old, Webster's. It is my hope that all those who post here are aware of the legal definition of 'terrorist', and the potential ramifications of being labeled as such. Like it or not, in today’s world of corporate government just one such comment is enough to get this site shut down. Even calling for a run on the banks can get you unwanted visits by those who have the judges in their pockets. When the time comes (if it comes) we will all know how and where to hit them with the mostest. Keep the main focus on the local basis, know your friends. Keep your ‘enemies’ closer. We WILL recapture our freedoms (pre-1933), we must do it as peaceably as we can. My dad always said, “You can tell a man to go straight to hell, and still do it in such a way that you have him looking forward to the trip.” As your friend, I ask, “please, watch your posts. For yourself and Michael’s sake”. We will win the victory. If for any reason you feel the need to reply to this, you may do so through my contact info here or send to dallascounty@live.com

P.S. I’ve been here long enough that I read the original post. GREAT story. I don’t think it would apply very well here in Dallas County, Missouri. (both party’s meet at local banks most of the time) God bless and keep up the figh…EDUCATION of our people.

YOUR servant for freedom, Clay Carey

Odd...

In looking at the definition of a terrorist in these times, it is one that has used (or will use) force OR violence against the standing government. Technically that includes a forceful argument against said government.

We're all technically terrorists anyways.

As for the violence part, once enough people peacefully are bled dry then violence is going to occur reguardless of how much you don't want it to happen. Our government is aware of it already.

I wish us the best of luck in a peaceful revolution.

I just cannot suspend disbelief long enough to really envision it.

After all, it has no historical basis whatsoever.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~