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Constitutionalists and Christians have much in common! By joining forces they could quickly regain control of the U.S.!

There is no doubt that Christianity and individual liberty were the primary philosophies that formed this nation and its constitution.

With 76% percent, or 228 million Americans claiming to be Christians, both movements would do well to recognize the overwhelming, unprecedented and unstoppable political power that would result if these natural allies would once again join forces.

I say it's not just coincidence that Mr. Liberty himself is a Christian. Without uttering a word, what an example this man can set!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jRO3hptL4U
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions




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Absolutely

The message of liberty, natural law, and God are all of which Thomas Paine inspired British citizens to stand up to tyranny and establish self-government. The pamphlet "Common Sense" was considered to be radical in that professing visions of independence was viewed as treasonous and such actions must be suppressed. I think that we can learn a lot from reading "Common Sense" and apply it to the situation we are in today. The oppression and tyranny that the colonists experienced seems very little when compared to the tyranny and oppression our government places upon us today. It is "Common Sense" to include Christians in this revolution.

yes it is

"It is "Common Sense" to include Christians in this revolution."
after all...we started the revolution.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

We don't care

whose is the longest...just that they have balls.

after all...we started it

heh
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Amen

Well Said

I'd be happy to join forces

I'd be happy to join forces with all Christians who worship privately and keep their faith to themselves, as I do. I want nothing to do with the others who bash faiths they don't agree with, or believe in, or who believe that all people should be "saved" because their religion says so. Those kind of Christians are way too closed minded for me. The neocons can have them. I want nothing to do with them and certainly don't want to see them in office! What a nightmare that would be.

Blessings )o(

They are free

to believe what they want. They don't want you or the government to tell them they are wrong or exclude them. That is our commonality. They value freedom. We should EMBRACE ALL that desire freedom and adherence to the Constitution. We NEED the numbers...PERIOD.

I agree! But, what i find is

I agree! But, what i find is that the Christians that I've had experience with on this site, don't feel the same. They are not willing to embrace those whose religions differ from theirs. In fact, they do all they can to denigrate our beliefs and then lower the conversation to name calling and insults. THOSE are the kind of Christians that I want nothing to do with and are the kind that do nothing but hurt the movement.

Liberty is the freedom to do and believe as you like, and to be able to walk away when you don't. Preaching to others about your faith, and denigrating the faith of others, impinges on the freedom of others. I won't associate with those people willingly. When the SHTF, I will stand beside them and protect them with all I have, but I will NEVER be known as part of a group that includes them.

Blessings )o(

The point is..

getting people elected that are followers of the Constitution and believe in the basic rights of all people. They can help us do that. We know that the right people will benefit ALL, including Evangelicals. They need to know that too.

This isn't a seperation of church and state debate

I'm not for religion and government getting in bed together (with all due respect)BUT there are a whole lot of Evangelical Christians out there that like to fight for the right (no pun intended). If we could convince them that the Liberty Movement is the only way that their religious freedoms will be retained, they would be a tremendous vehicle to defeat the status quo. We need their numbers and passion. This is a "business" decision.

remember

the so-called "separation of Church and State", which is not in the Constitution, but the 1st Amendment only limits the governments power, it does not limit the people or the people in the government.
Jefferson regularly went to Christian Church services in the Congress building.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Understood..

I was attempting for people to understand the point of the writer of this thread. It's not..."If we embrace those Christians they'll dictate the running of the government" It's about NUMBERS.

Ron Paul is a Christain and a Constitutionalist!

Apparently this two traits and philosophies are agreeing and working for him. Look at the contribution this man has made!

and he is being attacked by

Christians. PROOF this faith should never govern a country. Millions of its followers don't understand the concept of liberty for all. A concept some christians claim the bible invented! The actions of the GOP and it's Christian leadership PROVES why they should NEVER be allowed to gain power in this country. This group of christians are fanatics.

attack by Christians?

wow-what a general statement. do you always make these all encompassing statements? One pro-life group, which is not a main pro-life organization says something about RP and you use it as an excuse to condemn all Christians? unreal. All people will always disagree and have differences, but you seem to be looking for anything to CONDEMN Christianity in whole.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

do a little research before

you shoot your mouth off. I suggest you start with the GOP, The Family, etc.

Good point Fedor

Do not get cocky broken clocks are right 2x a day

I fail to see the unifying

I fail to see the unifying message intended in threads like this. Disappointing to think that the belief that ours is a wholly Christian nation remains. Freedom means freedom to believe whatever you want without fear of retribution, and unfortunately retribution comes from the right and the left.

I tried to post a topic for people to think about how to

build a coalition so the Liberty minded would have a better chance to win next time. Apparently, some here have an agenda in opposition to that cause.

So I leave you with two questions:
Compared to 228 million Christians, does it really even matter what a couple of hot headed atheist think? I think not!

Representing less the 5% of the population, have you ever heard of a politician that ever sought the atheist vote? I think not!

"does it really even matter

"does it really even matter what a couple of hot headed atheist think?"

Yup, it matters. That's why we have a republic and not a democracy. (demos - latin = mob) Democracy = mob rule. And I won't be ruled by a Christian mob thank you! Especially those who feel that it doesn't matter what a couple of atheists think. That's the worst kind of closed minded hypocrasy. Liberty means liberty for all, not just for you and your beliefs.

Blessings )o(

Perfect.

It ends the way it always does... a hearty Christian ~Let's do freedom my way because those who don't believe what I do not count.~

In trying to form a coalition for freedom and personal liberty, you have made one little mistake.

You don't know what it is.

If you knew WHAT it was, then perhaps you'd have a better chance attaining it.

Freedom of religion is freedom of ALL religions... not freedom of yours only because it is currently the most popular cult on the block.

Intolerance is actually what you are striving to attain.

We already have that.

There's your ~change~... LOL

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

Re-read the wording of the original post!

I put CONSTITUTIONALISTS first!

Like Ron Paul, people who are Constitutionalists are by definition those who understand the importance of the principles that are embodied with in that unique and majestic document!

If one is a Constitutionalists, wouldn't that imply they understood and supported all of the principles and rights within - including Freedom of Religion?

Ah...

But if that were indeed the case, then WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING YET ANOTHER INANE CONVERSATION ABOUT RELIGION.

If we wanted to be ~Constitutionalist~ about it, then nobody should give a rat's ass about what another believed.

Period.

That they still do just means exactly what I posted... the same people will circle around the same defeating issue until the end of time because they have no idea what the words ~Liberty~ and Freedom~ actually mean.

Unless they can figure this out, we are doomed. Because we are stuck with a party of people that will just gravitate to the next big shiny feelgood ~I'm Like You and I believe what you do~ person that comes along.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

you got it Devon

Waldo's title of this thread says it all. What a joke. I wonder if these people even understand what they really think/want?

You are missing the point!

The purpose of the post was to recognize the potential voting block and winning coalition that could be built by those who believe like Ron Paul that the Constitution IS the supreme law and should be followed to the letter.

The hot-heads missed the main point and turned it into a religious argument. With stupidity of that magnitude we don't deserve to win!

I got ya

If we were standing on a ship that was sinking would we have time to argue about whether we we going to jump from the Stem or the Stern?The number of people that get off safely is what counts!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

and the guys you're

talking to are the ones punching holes in the boat. Not smart.

~sigh~

The point actually is that christianity and constitutionality are polar opposites.

One says freedom of all religions. I'm going to go with that one.

The other says one religion or you fry. The bible is the supreme law, NOT the constitution, because it is man's law.

If you wish to get the two together, you are going to end up with a group that isn't either and doesn't understand the concepts of either.

And yes, with stupidity of that magnitude we don't deserve to win.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

Let's consider Ron Paul!

1. He is a firm believer in the Constitution and,
2. He is a Christian!

How could a man that has achieved so much including ignite a grassroots movement that has changed this country for the good, be so conflicted per your point of view and thesis!

Does not wash my friend!

Ron Paul has

reached people with a message. He did not stop the wars, bailouts, etc, etc. His greatest enemies are the Christian right in the GOP. You have NO point. This just proves why the bible should NEVER be used to govern.