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Constitutionalists and Christians have much in common! By joining forces they could quickly regain control of the U.S.!

There is no doubt that Christianity and individual liberty were the primary philosophies that formed this nation and its constitution.

With 76% percent, or 228 million Americans claiming to be Christians, both movements would do well to recognize the overwhelming, unprecedented and unstoppable political power that would result if these natural allies would once again join forces.

I say it's not just coincidence that Mr. Liberty himself is a Christian. Without uttering a word, what an example this man can set!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jRO3hptL4U
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions

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The only ones who rewrite

The only ones who rewrite history are God-haters like yourself who refuse to face the facts about our nation's heritage. This website is just one example to show how our Founders' intent and worldview was influenced by the Christian religion, not secular humanism (which had failed in France at that time during its own revolution). I could provide volumes of evidence to show you that you don't know what you're talking about. However, you need to give an account of your own worldview (of there not being a God) before you try to establish concepts such as liberty, justice, and peace as real and obligatory upon all mankind. In a worldview of just matter in motion, none of those virtues make sense. In essence, you're just acting like a Christian because only we can rationally give an account for how those non-physical entities can exist and be righteous ends for the benefit of all mankind.

So, if you have the audacity to call yourself a patriot, then maybe you need to heed the words of America's first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Jay who said:

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.

You're both wrong...The Celts

You're both wrong...The Celts didn't invent liberty, nor did God.

Al Gore invented liberty...duh.

Offensive and divisive.

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Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

Thank you - love stands high above ALL religions

if ONE has no Love in his/her heart they tend to post comments that create suffering among the people who read it.

I appeal to eveyone who posted comments on this thread to please respect each other.

song for all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEVIeErWcnU&feature=related

Love & Peace*))

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sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Yes! From the beautiful words of Ron Paul

"What if Christianity actually teaches peace and not preventive wars of aggression?" ~ Ron Paul "What If" Speech

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

And that's what Y'shua did teach!

Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called Sons of God.

When your enemy strikes one cheek , turn the other also....I posted a comment on a thread (may even have been this one), on these ideals with a great link to the Banner, the magazine for the Christian Reform Church. Most denominations who follow the Reformation doctrines support Ron Paul's belief (originating with St. Augustine) in 'Just War'.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

watch and learn

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=23086B785F17EA6A

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

you actually believe the words of the Dutch . . .

man (Geert?) who believes that Muslims are bad?

Wow--

he reminds me of a KKK person, honestly.

(Geert)

Life must be so simple for people who believe these things; all you have to do is check someone's religion and ethnic group, maybe even their surname, to see if they are an enemy or a friend.

You don't have to think anything out for yourself that way.

All Christian or Jewish (are Hindus and Bhuddists allowed, or are they dangerous, too?) are safe and friendly and can be trusted. All Muslims are dangerous.

That must be an amazingly simple way to live. To be able to feel good about all the wars and believe that *we* are right (as Americans), and the rest of the world is wrong.

A sunny life, indeed.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

All Muslims???

the documentary makes very clear the film is not about "ALL MUSLIMS". watch the 1st minute before you post please.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

I've read Geert--

yes, he is using religion to panic people in Holland and Europe; I already know that.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Max Blumenthal report~ Rapture Ready

* There are many different beliefs/interpretations of 'Christianity' Compare what Ron Paul says to the views below that *

"What if Christianity actually teaches peace and not preventive wars of aggression?" ~ Ron Paul "What If" Speech

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Max Blumenthal's latest takes us on a shocking and at times bizarre tour of right-wing Pastor John Hagee's annual Washington-Israel Summit, blowing the cover off the Christian Zionist movement in the process. Starring Joe Lieberman, Tom DeLay, Pastor John Hagee, Ambassador Dore Gold and a host of rapture-ready evangelicals praying for Armaggedon.

'Rapture Ready'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

also see

Bill Moyers Christians United for Israel
BILL MOYERS JOURNAL reports on the politically powerful group Christians United for Israel, whose leader, Pastor John Hagee, advocates for a preemptive strike against Iran.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10052007/watch2.html

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How about Peace instead?
What if Every Church was a Peace Church?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/112901

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Many are surprised to learn the word "rapture" is not in the

Bible, (and I will pay you $100 if you can prove me wrong). The Rature theory came about in 1830 when a lady named Mary Mcdonald had a spell (which she later described as demonic) in the presence of two preachers. From there it spread for one simple reason:

Most preachers do not understand Revelation (or are to lazy to learn it), and this is an easy way out for them. They simply tell the congregation there is no need to learn Revelation because you will already be "raptueded" out of here.

However all of this was predicted in the OT.

Itis in the Latin vulgate

I get so sick of hearing that rapture is not in the Bible.
You can say the word "God" is not in the Bible either. The rapture is a Latin word that is in the Latin Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
You want my address?

Ralph~ my point is

One cannot say ALL Christians because there are some that are for Peace and others that twist scripture to justify wars!

There are many Peace Churches that would gladly align with the Liberty movement!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

READ

"Rule by Secrecy" by Jim Marrs, you can get it at the Library.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

No offense to anybody, but I

No offense to anybody, but I don't want christians gaining control over the US nor do I want any religious denomination gaining "control".
But I sure am glad to see that this place hasn't changed. Incorporating religion with everything.

If we take the Constitution by it's words!

The chance of that happening is pretty slim,This is what needs to be expressed!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Just a pity Christians are...

...pro-life and pro-war. How do you explain that bro? The lives of the innocent woman carrying her child on the streets of Baghdad or Teheran are to be valued as much as the child in the womb. Once Christians come to believe that, then I will take them seriously. Anyway, if they support Ron Paul there is hope.

Plano TX

not all of us--

I'm anti-war and pro-life--

I'm pro ALL life--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

i'm not "ProWar"

just "ProDefense".
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Our military has forced my brother to get an H1N1 vaccine

...sent him to war to train a private contractor how to do his job (who also made three times as much as him), paid him far below the poverty line, and lied to him about the war and about the families he supposedly went in to protect. And people like you still sit here in the States claiming terrorists are out to get us so we should boost national security.

How much longer will it take until you figure out that this war is suppose to be endless because it is a war driven by banks for private companies that make money from labeling anybody who is anti-war a “terrorist”.

Did I mention that my brother and all of his fellow soldiers are suffering from severe depression because they all know this is a farce.

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right. -Henry Ford

"ProDefense"...

their borders (South Korea, Kuwait, Iraq, Germany, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Israel, etc. etc.) or our borders?

Plano TX

they have already

come here and attacked us. look below.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Blood and treasure...

...thousands of dead soldiers, many maimed for life and a trillion dollars later to fight a rag tag band of bandits hiding in caves, not worth the cost of a fly swatter.

Who cares what they say? Empty retoric.

Don't you think they just love to see us spend $10,000 per second trying to find them? Don't you think they hold their sides in laughter seeing us mired in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Their recruting efforts have never been better? Get real.

Bush/Cheney attempt to annex the Iraqi oil fields failed. We are gong bankrupt. Hope you still have job, because at this rate we are all joining the unemploment line... looking after the interest of Israel is no longer possible. Time for the Iraelis to fight their own wars. Maybe the Baptists can volunteer to help them, rather than twist the arms of politicians to do the job for them. Do you care about our debt and the lives and families of our soldiers, or is it a case of at any cost? If the latter, then start preparing for the poorhouse.

Plano TX

yes, but Christians (I am one, devoutly committed to Christ)--

have been hijacked by the warmongers. It is sad, and it is true.

The Bible has been wrongfully interpreted to project a new Crusades against Islam upon American Christians--

and many have fallen for the deception.

I am not the only person on here who has battled to open the eyes of my friends--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

YES! Jesus' teachings were

YES! Jesus' teachings were hijacked a long time ago to create a Horus-like religion for the Age of Pisces to help control the masses and generate some revenue. Since then, it has been tweaked here and there (omitting certain books and information)...mostly, during translation (Lost in Translation...if you would).

In fact, nearly all religions are perverted forms of the same spiritual truth.

Jefferson made an attempt to strip out the hocus pocus of the Bible, but even it is far from the original intention.

You see, when Jesus "went East" as a lad, he embarked on several years of training under Eastern spiritual gurus...most prevalently Yogis.

When Jesus returned, he was a Yogi (along with other spiritual beliefs). This is quite apparently if you have a real understanding of Yoga and of Eastern spiritual beliefs altogether.

To further understand this, read: The Yoga of Jesus http://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Jesus-Understanding-Teachings-Gos...

And when you are really ready to understand Jesus' true spiritual lessons, read The Second Coming of Christ: The Resurrection of the Christ Within You : http://www.amazon.com/Second-Coming-Christ-Resurrection-With...

When enough people do this, a great spiritual community will spring forth to life combining people of all religions...as religions are built off the same spiritual truthes.

LOL...because of its spiritual objectism and openness, Jedism is actually closer to this spiritual foundation than other religions.

uh...we were attacked

and continue to be attacked, and they are targeting civilians except for Ft. Hood. 9/11 had more killed than Pearl Harbor. They are saying that they will continue until the US is under Sharia Law and bows to Islam. The original reasons they stated for the attack, no longer hold water. I'm not for a "Crusade", but we should defend ourselves and our Constitution. We are still supposed to defend it from enemies "foreign & domestic". why are you only focusing on the domestic? do some research sometime.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

But by whom?

19 young guys (several of whom seem to be still alive, victims of identity theft) backed by neolithic cave-dwellers in Afghanistan? Or somebody a little more sophisticated, like the Mossad? http://800poundgorilla.100webspace.net/geeklog//staticpages/...

Kinda makes sense, when you ask yourself who won the war in Iraq, and who continues to win the US war against Islam.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

wow, you've been listening to some very scary people--

You really believe all that?

You really believe Muslims are behind all the bad stuff that has happened?

It works; the propoganda machine works--

amazing--

You think that *we* are defending our constitution by being in Iraq and Afghanistan and Africa and everywhere else?

Have you read about the economic hit men?

Have you read about the contractors, about Black Water?

You really believe that the last few U.S. Presidents care about our freedom?

What part of what Dr. Paul says don't you understand?

Are you on here to engage people in silly debates, or do you really believe in liberty?

Yes, I have friends who talk about Jihad all the time--

They, too, have been frightened by the fear machine--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

yeah, i listen to Thomas Jefferson

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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.