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Constitutionalists and Christians have much in common! By joining forces they could quickly regain control of the U.S.!

There is no doubt that Christianity and individual liberty were the primary philosophies that formed this nation and its constitution.

With 76% percent, or 228 million Americans claiming to be Christians, both movements would do well to recognize the overwhelming, unprecedented and unstoppable political power that would result if these natural allies would once again join forces.

I say it's not just coincidence that Mr. Liberty himself is a Christian. Without uttering a word, what an example this man can set!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jRO3hptL4U
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions



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yes, and . . .

Thomas Jefferson warned us against entangling alliances and intervention in foreign countries, as well.

Barbary pirates, indeed. What about the French pirates, the Spanish pirates, the English privateers.

None of them were dangerous, of course--

only the Muslims were dangerous. The French and English and others were always our friends, because they were not Muslims.

Wow, is this entertaining!

Is everyone else enjoying this as much as I am!

LOL!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

No, I'm not enjoying it...

it's sad/sickening to see people trying to justify preemptive wars of aggression and occupation in the guise of religion. Also the blatant racism against Muslims is disgusting...just more fearmongering and trying to justify wars and killing!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

did...

Thomas Jefferson believe in ""pre-emptive" war? yet he did send the military to fight. neither do i. WW2 was not a "pre-emtive" war either. All warfare is ugly and not desired by anyone, but it is justified after attack.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Yeah if we were actually

Yeah if we were actually attacking the people who perpetrated the numerous attacks on us that would be a different story. Money Power.

and I'll bet those darned Barbary Pirates were behind . . .

all the other things, too--

I'll bet THEY are why the British overtaxed Americans. I am sure they were behind the French Revolution as well--

*hee*

--certainly, it was Barbary pirates who colonized most of the world, too--

Barbary pirates probably also caused the Civil War.

Probably it was Barbary pirates who controlled Hitler; yup, why didn't we realize that?

Wow, this is amazing information. Where have I been all these years?

ROTFLOL!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

is this what a "troll" does?

I have enjoyed the bantering, to some extent. But I think I am being baited.

I mean no disrespect if you do not understand things I understand--

but I can't accept racism or religion-bashing as a basis for liberty.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Do you honestly believe the crap you just said

or are you playing one hell of a game of devil’s advocate right now?

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQY5VaqHAtI

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

'We' were attacked? And 'They' are targeting civilians?

Who exactly is 'we', and who are 'they'? Could you please identify these individuals you refer to by their names instead of vague collective terms so that I can accurately determine what it is you're trying to say?

Thanks

who were all the people on ALL the planes...

that died on 9/11. who were all the people in the trade center including firefighters and other rescue workers? next i suppose you'll tell me your a 9/11 truther...even though Bin Laden/Al-Quada declared to the world that they did it.

who were all the people on the plane that landed in Detroit that survived only because the bomb malfunctioned?
this is "WE" and they are "Civilians". Or did you just forget that part of the story? Did you forget of all the plots that were foiled that would have killed "Civillian US Citizens"???
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

You seem confused. Allow me to help you.

The people on the planes that crashed on Sept. 11, 2001 included both the criminals and their victims. So if those people are the 'we' you are referring to as being attacked, the 'them' that attacked those people who died as a result of those 4 hijacked aircraft crashing on Sept 11, 2001 died with their victims. You were not attacked in this incident.

As for 911 truther, I don't identify myself with that movement. However, what facts have revealed is that the story the government put forth to explain what happened on that day could not be true as told. And speaking of Osama Bin Laden, do you recall what he claimed his objective was in attacking the tein towers? I'll help you here too, please forgive my paraphrasing as I don't have the text readily available at the moment... to cause the USA to go bankrupt.

As for the plane in Detroit I'll assume you mean the plane and flight that had the passenger now referred to as the underwear bomber. Were you one of the passengers on that aircraft on that flight? No? Then how do you declare yourself to be one of them? You were never in any danger as a result of mr underwear bomber if you weren't on that flight, and once again, it wasn't you who were attacked. How dare you claim some right to retaliate against people who never harmed you or claim that you were in danger when you weren't.

As for other plots that may or may not have been foiled as you claim, how many of those were instigated by some clandestine alphabet soup agency or another, be they domestic or foreign? Do you know? Can you possibly know? Can anyone other than those directly involved know? Doubtful. Also, as you brought it up, how many innocent men, women, and children the world over have been victimized or killed in the pursuit of allegedly preventing these plots from either being formented or coming to fruition? How many men, women, and children in America have lost a loved one, in part due to injury or in whole due to death, because they were off playing conquest for the empire?

You seem angry. Why don't you direct that energy into something more productive? Like figuring out who's really responsible for the continuing degenerating state of international affairs. Go stare in the mirror and ask yourself why it is you want to make war on people who have not harmed nor threatened YOU. Ask yourself what gives you the right to seek any kind of restitution or retaliation against people who have not attacked YOU. Ask yourself what gives you the right to ask others to go kill and die for YOU.

think about it

i was not attacked?

neither were my grandparents, congress, or the president personally attacked in 1941 when Pearl Harbor was blown up...yet War was declared. you have some really amazing logic.

ummm. Bin Laden and Al-Quada declared to the world they planned 9/11 and executed the plan. or did you forget? what do you not understand?

angry? no, just not stupid. the world is not as idealistic as you want it to be. Ask Thomas Jefferson.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

No, you weren't attacked.

Collectives can not be attacked, nor can a collective attack anything. Only individuals are capable of attacking, and only individuals are capable of being attacked.

For example, if no individual people took part in an assault, would there be an assault? No. If no individuals are harmed in any way be it physically or via thier property, can one claim that there was an attack? No.

Think about it.

lah-lah land

your in-

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Actually, I see the reality of the situation

And you believe in what is false.

Tell me... can there be a 'we', a 'them', an 'us', or a 'they' without any individuals making up a group described by those collective terms?

If you want to understand that and why you're slave you need to learn how you're enslaved.

Oh

And this,Sorry was checking other posts and couldn't get back in time to warn you!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

we need to leave their

we need to leave their homelands and we would not have 911's.. it was blow back with help from our own government.

“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul

sure it was...

"Blowback" also caused the 1st and 2nd barbary wars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
"Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:
"It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War#Aftermath
"Shortly after Decatur set off for Tunis to negotiate a similar agreement with the Dey of Tunis and enforce prior agreements with the Pasha of Tripoli, the Dey repudiated the treaty."

...i don't think that is what they said.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

I don't care what their koran

I don't care what their koran says. when I see landing Craft on the beaches of America with thousands of arabs trying to invade that is when I will gladly combat them.
911 had nothing to do with the barbary wars, or the koran.

“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul

Careful!

The Koran can be a problem subject,take it from me!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

just quoting the facts

that Thomas Jefferson and John Adams reported to John Jay what the Ambassador from that country had said. It's historical fact. They will believe everything else Jefferson wrote, why not this?
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

I understand that

But I have found that certain mentions of certain religions are viewed here as incorrect because...
Maybe the freedom of Religion?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Just have to ask...

When you say ~our Constitution~ are you referring to the US one, or the Israeli one?

Their reasons for attack, THEY say, is because we are occupying thier lands and killing thier people.

This is a pretty straight-forward answer.

If we really wanted to defend the US, we would simply stop giving them reasons to attack us. We would come home and stop fighting Israel's wars for them.

It's called blowback.. have you heard of the concept? Because I wonder why someone who posts on a Ron Paul website wouldn't know that...

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

hmmm

did i mention Israel? are we fighting because Israel was attacked or were we attacked? Israel can take care of herself if we would get out of the way.

did Jefferson experience "blowback"...i don't think so. ask Ron Paul what Thomas Jefferson and the US did to the middle east for Islamic state sponsered piracy against our trading ships in Tripoli. The Islamic nations were saying the same thing to Jefferson as they are today-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
"In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once."

i will admit that the US made some mistakes in the past...but the Islamic nations are not trying in any way to negotiate a peace, they are the ones trying to impose a Theocracy.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

IF you believe that 9/11 was done by Muslims--

there is no proof of that; there is also no proof that Osama Bin Laden was the one who said what he did. But, so what if he threatened?

It hasn't been proven, as Dr. Paul has said, that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, nor were there weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.

How do you justify the way that the Israelis are treating the Palestinians?

I guess you have just swallowed everything from the mainstream media.

I do have "friends" who are all worked up over The Jihad. They tell me how dangerous and scary these people are, and I never can get proof from them.

All I know is that American soldiers are dying, Afghani and Iraqi civilians are dying--

and suicide is high among American troops.

That tells me as much as I need to know about how just that war is.

I guess there are times when people have to agree that they don't accept the same 'truth'.

If these wars had been wars of defense, why were they never declared by congress?

How are undeclared wars defending the constitution?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Ron Paul has essentially said the first sentence...

of your post himself.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

yes he has...

everyone here seems to only complain about Israel. They should check how much $$$$ is being paid to all the rest of the Middle East countries. so until i here people complain about all the other countries i will not hear the complaints about Israel.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

wow, here we've got an honest to goodness Neoconservative/

Zionist, and we can't do a thing with *him*--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

You are right

Whether we like it or not we have to take the oath for it's words,Tactics always say that it is better to fight someone in their camp than in Your camp.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Obama was elected

to bow down and kiss their behinds to try to negotiate a peace. and even Obama's camp is saying it has failed.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.