What the heck does sovereign mean?
Ok, around this forum, there is a constant pushing of the word "sovereign" onto things to constantly qualify some other word and make it sound more important. There is a great lack of understanding of what this word actually means and it's correct usage, and hell, even how to spell it.
So let's clear some of this up for everyone. It is spelled "sovereign".
And it means the following things:
sov⋅er⋅eign [sov-rin, sov-er-in, suhv-] Show IPA
Use sovereign in a Sentence
–noun
1. a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.
2. a person who has sovereign power or authority.
3. a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.
4. a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.
–adjective
5. belonging to or characteristic of a sovereign or sovereignty; royal.
6. having supreme rank, power, or authority.
7. supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right.
8. greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
9. being above all others in character, importance, excellence, etc.
10. efficacious; potent: a sovereign remedy.
The normal usage around here is as an adjective, and so please pay specific attention to these meanings in particular. And ask yourself, does this adjective really apply to what I am about to say before you say it.
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According to Brezinski
National Sovereignty is nothing more than a concept.
I glad he let us in on that one
Another View
Rights imply "permanence"
Nothing that can be "consumed" can be maintained -- it can only be transformed.
As soon as you create "law" you are already not interpretiting consumer-desire.
There was a "pre-production" moment (prior to God Creating or the Big Bang) -- whatevr came before.
There was a moment of "production" (where all building blocks were created).
Presently there is only "transformation"
Consumption = To Use, To Waste, To Diminish, and To Transform.
Therefore to be "free" of the pre-production state and the finality of permanent consumption (where the building blocks have been reduced to a point of final transformation) -- to be free means to embrace lawlessness and anarchy (zero rights).
We cannot get into a state of anarchy without first transitioning through a Consumer-Minarchism (a period of education and maturation -- extremely small "protection" from foreign powers "revenge").
Property-Rights = Producer-Rights (Pre-Production)
Worker-Rights = Transformer-Rights (Final-Transformation)
Consumer-Individualism = Zero Rights (for Owner/Worker)
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
Ah yes the sovereignty of SPAM!
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or did you mean the sovereign spammer ?
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thanks for that
You have a very sovereign comment.
Consider this:
All of these quotes are from the U.S. Supreme Court (except the obvious Blacks Law definition):
I've checked them all- they are all legit! Look them up yourself- just don't get fooled with a shepardized version... for example, it's very hard to find the Yick Wo v. Hopkins sovereignty quote on the net.
Sovereignty of the People
Constitution- Article 4§4. Guarantees a Republican Form of gov’t. “...a system of government in which the people hold sovereign power and elect representatives who exercise that power” Blacks Law Eighth Ed.
Yick Wo v Hopkins, 118 US 356. “Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies for government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.”
Carter v Carter Coal, 298 US 238. “And the Constitution itself is, in every real sense a law- the lawmakers being the people themselves, in whom, under our system, all political power and sovereignty primarily resides and through whom such power and sovereignty primarily speaks.”
U.S. v Lee, 106 US 196. “Under our system the people, who are there called subjects, are sovereign.”
Schlesinger v Reservists Committee to Stop the War, 418 US 208, 232-3. “We tend to overlook the basic political and legal reality that the people, not the bureaucracy, are sovereign. … Executives, lawmakers, and members of the Judiciary are inferior in the sense that they are in office only to carry out and execute the constitutional regime.”
Afroyim v Rusk, 387 US 253; 87 S.Ct. 1660. “In our country the people are sovereign and the Government cannot sever its relationship to the people by taking away their citizenship. Our Constitution governs us and we must never forget that our Constitution limits the Government to those powers specifically granted or those that are necessary and proper to carry out the specifically granted ones.”
Seminole Tribe v Florida, 517 US 44, 153. (Souter dissenting) “When individuals sued States to enforce federal rights, the Government that corresponded to the ‘sovereign’ in the traditional common law sense was not the State but the National Government, and any state immunity from the jurisdiction of the Nation’s courts would have required a grant from the true sovereign, the people, in their Constitution, or from the Congress that the Constitution had empowered.”
Terry v State of Ohio, 88 S.Ct. 1868 (1889). (Justice Douglas commenting upon police powers said:) “Yet if the individual is no longer to be sovereign, if the police can pick him up whenever they do not like the cut of his jib, if they can ‘seize’ and ‘search’ him in their discretion, we enter a new regime.”
West Coast Hotel Co. v Parrish, 300 US 379. (Sutherland dissenting) “Constitutions can not be changed by events alone. They remain binding as the acts of the people in their sovereign capacity, as the framers of Government, until they are amended or abrogated by the action prescribed by the authority which created them.”
Hale v Henkel, 201 US 243. “The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a Citizen. He owes no such duty to the state, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the Law of the Land long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights.”
United States v Mine Workers, 330 US 258. “There is an old and well-known rule that statutes which in general terms divest pre-existing rights or privileges will not be applied to the sovereign without express words to that effect.”
United States v Cooper Corp., 312 US 600. “Since, in common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, statutes employing the phrase are ordinarily construed to exclude it.”
Perhaps I can help.
Sovereign, Sovereignty = The source of Law.
For instance, a Sovereign State(Country) is the source of their own law and not the law of other nations or entities aka, the united nations.
A Sovereign, is a Man(kind) who is the source of Law for themselves and those in their domain. The monarch's in England are the Sovereigns and the People's Sovereignty rests with the King.
Where does Sovereignty come from?
God.
Who is a Sovereign?
All humanity when they learn the Law and how to Apply it.
God gave all men Sovereignty, Sovereignty consists of 3 elements: Dominion, Agency, and Possession. Sovereignty is the only thing God has given to man to follow his commands to be Fruitful, Multiply, Replenish, and Subdue the Earth. These are more advanced concepts but I am stating this so you can see the connection between Sovereignty, God, creation, religion, and modern-day Lifestyles that those commands presented for you to govern yourself.
In America, Sovereignty rests with the People, with the minority, the individual. Each and every one of us is Sovereign, but we are ignorant to the Law and have failed to apply it accordingly. Questions like yours will consistently open up eyes and minds to all those who allow themselves to think and stand on their own.
If you are really anxious to get more in-dept and a greater understanding then I recommend that you visit www.TeamLaw.net and read around their forums, you will thank me if you do.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I agree with you in part
You speak of God, I think God would want peoples rights protected 100 percent! I recall a few religious quotes, something about, [paraphrase from distant memory] "be not entangled with the cares of the world" or "be not weary of the wiles of the devil" or "be wise as serpents and harmless as doves" or my favorite, "the god of this world has blinded them." My point being, forced religion in politics would not really work unless it was a theocracy, such as the Muslims have. The Lack of God in politics was abandoned by Israelites in the book of Judges! The fight to change the policy of U.S.A. in regards to immunity doctrine requires a popular movement. Attempting to spiritualize politics, a path of good intentions, I’m sure, will only convolute a movement by creating a schism at its foundation. I thought God was for “free will.” Man cannot even maintain uncorrupt religion let alone government. Please consider covert activism, spiritually speaking, to be approved of both man and God, and not just God alone! Good people exist without God, according to the scriptures, “and that is shame to those believers who are not as righteous as non believers!” We need to attract masses. God is all powerful and all that but revelations does not speak of a righteous form of government mandate prior to a second coming. Religious people cannot discriminate against non religious people, a basis for more corruption. If God wanted a theocracy he would have it! You can’t change people, they make their choices! Be a never ending friend to your non believers and don’t make them join a religious club to fight corruption, that is a form of bribery! I believe the constitution protects all religions, though I don’t follow the teachings of all religions. I’m just glad to know that if I want to believe in the invisible, I can! I want religious and non religious people to mandate that Immunity be done away with, because that is what Sovereign is defined as when it comes to depriving our human rights. All other definitions are interesting study, but if they don’t point the contrast between despotism and the abandonment of despotism as we claim in the U.S.A. as the reason human rights abuses are barred from Jury Scrutiny, regardless of the merits justice will be further hid from the people. The discussion of Sovereign should point those to do their own due diligence ultimately comparing the outcome of their research. As a citizen who trusted our democracy to do well, I ignored facts like many others. Learning about Sovereignty is very very very depressing when contrasted with the foundations of the United States Government. I would advise an NC17 rating due to the “psychological nudity” [Savage, he would throw a walleyed fit if I didn’t quote this and he found out]. Offense was not intended. I am barely educated, and my writing skills suck! So feel free for any ad hominem, or factual attack on my observations.
13 years of Citizen Sovereignty ends when Chisholm v. Georgia..
I was forced into researching the bar / obstacle to redressing grievances in the United States which conflict with one or our so called rights! When my family became a crime victim and found the local government under a newly elected DA was reversing prosecution efforts of the previous DA, we entered into the hellish realm of reality for those who suffer abuse by officials under the color of law, a federal statute violation. It was alleged, according to affidavits that the defendant secured a campaign promise to fix his felonies. I admit it sounds far fetched, but it happened. They did this because the law protects them with the “doctrine of immunity.” If you research this immunity issue, you will come to the same conclusions. If you are a bureaucrat, you will defend these conclusions and attempt all sorts of dribble and foolishness to defend it. If you are just a private citizen you will be in disbelief what you are witnessing1 I have read an article citing Chisholm v. Georgia, and perhaps I can add my few cents to it I have caused a politicians career end by exposing her corruption, and a judge was found guilty of wrong doing based upon these allegations. Through my research of civil rights litigation it is apparent that the United States is hypercritical and they lack standing to criticize other countries for their abuses. Our history includes genocide of indigenous peoples. Authorized police shooting of civil rights protesters who were non violent, and even though the officials were deemed maliciously negligent, they were not liable [Kent State Massacre]. Official disdain for the bill of rights and the constitution is evident when it was struck down by the 11th amendment. The Constitution belongs to the people, nevertheless, it is ignored by the government and is no longer the peoples property because it now since 1789 protects the government from the people! If you study the path of SCOTUS, you’ll see that abuse of discretion is a constitutionally protected right [Butz v. Economou]! You’ll see that Corruption by all U.S. officials is a constitutionally protected right [Bogan v. Scott Harris]! These oddities to what contradicts a common education given to U.S. citizens will lead you to believe that education in the U.S. is propaganda. I always believed that the United States was for Justice for all, but the Supreme Court is not hiding this contradiction, and that is our countries salvation, because we can back track and fix the problem with the rule of law and common law bright-line precedence. Because these contradictions, verbatim, deny Jury trials for Human Rights victims in the U.S., this contradicts the declaration of independence, which is only a historical document, but it also contradicts the U.S. constitution Article III, and the first amendment right to redress grievances. U.S. Citizens, who file a civil right law suit against abuse of authority under the color of law, do not have a right to have their evidence even considered due to pre discovery immunity dismissal of the case without considering the merits of the case. Officials are immune from even malice and corrupt acts [Bogan v. Scott]! Common sense reveals that this tyranny has cultivated the corruption we see today, because we cannot weed or cull diseased officials from our system, which repeats this corruption, which is commonly called insanity! The declaration of independence stated that the King had disallowed jury trials! James Wilson an author of the Constitution Article III judicial powers later became a Supreme Court Justice. In 1789 Chisholm v. Georgia, he didn’t interpret what he wrote, he defined it first hand knowledge. He made it clear and it is indisputable that citizens were considered Sovereign, and the people were protected from the government. When his court explained this to the world, congress committed treason under the color of authority and performed histories most efficient and silent coup that will never be told [sic] heard unless you wake up! With the stroke of a few pens they ratified the 11th amendment, and this was 2 days after Chisholm spoke the truth. Congressional officials during the revolutionary war had made contracts for the revolutionary war machine. After the war, standing existed that the new U.S. was not obligated to cover those debts from the now defunct Continental Congress, and the officials could be held personally liable for war debts. The cases in the Supreme Court from 1776, until Chisholm in 1789 were the catalyst for the first major act of corruption in the U.S.to transpires. It was more than corruption, it was treason! Under the guise of congressional business, congress immunized themselves from liability from their promises to pay debt. During these times bankruptcy was serious punishment. Long prison terms and even death sentences were the result of bankruptcy. In 1785, Pennsylvanians could cut the ears off of those who were bankrupt [http://www.credit-to-cash-advisor.com/Home/Articles/Bankruptcy/USBankruptcyLaw ]. The 11th amendment stripped the United States Citizens of only 13 years of Sovereignty. It made the Revolution a senseless wasteful act beyond any Vietnam criticism. Yet the population was and is silent and excuses this travesty by inaction! It can be reversed by a similar stroke of the pen! Is this plausible that congress stole the country from American Citizen’s who still think they are liberated? If the facts are correct this is more than plausible it is fact! Why has this not been taught to our children and even worse, our colleges are void of reporting this travesty! The so called “free press” are the worst collaborators. They are allegedly educated, and they have a duty to print the truth! However, I find that journalists are paid propagandist with a profit motive to not make waves! Those who fight for political power and promote the sophomoric standard of the two party systems are the utmost examples of ignorance in human kind in this day! None of the parties wish to restore the Union to its original non despot state, nor is it an issue for them! I don’t trust politicians who skew these events. I do not know Ron Pauls basis other than some form of change. If it includes acting under the 11th amendment, then he is not for change, because change can’t exist if there is an 11th amendment. U.S.A. is just another form of monarchy with term limits! This is where I depart from patriotism of post 1789 America! Even still, I can’t think of a better place to live, but armed with this information, I am looking because I would rather live in an open tyranny, than, to quote Hans Christian Anderson, a tyranny of “an emperors new clothes,” where you cannot see the boundaries! This country is a punitive trap for those who exercise free speech, just ask Joe the Plummer! He filed a civil rights suit to stop retaliation by government who has been harassing him with bureaucratic red tape! I too have a civil law suit to stop retaliation for free speech! The only hope in cases like ours is Monell Liability and the 1 or two instances where officials actually abrogate immunity! My case contains those elements, and the merits of the case have caused a Judge to suffer punishment for his corrupt acts, a local elected sheriff has stepped down, and a local board of supervisor was caught committing wire fraud. The story is on http://www.preventmurder.org !
Here are some facts that my investigation has uncovered!
Germany abandoned the "Doctrine of immunity" in 1945! Britain and Finland has followed suit! Additionally, excluding the so called free U.S.A, England and Wales,
Scotland, New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, France, Ireland, Italy have partially or totally abandoned sovereign immunity for corrupt officials! Immunity allows officials to increase official corruption that has been the obstacle preventing citizens from barring officials who have engaged in genetic cleansing of ethnic races or political enemies. Yet immunity exists in the United States while overtly attempting to gain public support for Democracy! U.S. citizens do not recognize or ignore this, but other countries are aware and see it as a grievance. They don’t have to sue us in court, they kill our citizens in war and terrorist acts! This will be U.S.A.'s downfall if left unchecked as it is a “false balance!”
The “history” of immunity is shared by despots, tyrants and dictators. The “reason” is "absolute power" which is absolute corruption with immunity! [Paraphrasing Lord Acton]
Early American Colonist freed from English rule enjoyed the absence of immunity from 1776 until 1789. By 1789, most of those who fought the revolutionary war were inspired by the Declaration of Independence which moved them to commit treason against England. By 1789, people who could read law were typically uneducated “commoners,” whereby, breaching the promise was easily done in the dimming light of the Declaration perhaps with elements of undue influence abuse. View the Declaration as a contract offering a promise if colonists committed treason. Imagine in today’s terms, what that promise could have been? This article offers a rational explanation backed by empirical evidence. I was forced into this study when my civil rights were violated as a crime victim in the United States by corrupt officials protecting their criminal friend, commonly called cronyism, even mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, as a grievance, "For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment." I then discovered there is hope in our courts under the rule of law! Chisholm v. Georgia may be a key. Congress them selves can abdicate their stolen throne by pen! I think a Magna Charta attempt would lead to criminal indictment. I doubt if there is any hope for this. One thing for sure is world history from the beginning shows mans desire to be availed human rights without discretion abuse! I think that the world will punish the U.S.A. eventually for their bigotry of hypocrisy! U.S. citizens by law an do nothing to stop corruption. It is illegal to prevent corruption! Corruption prevention is the least funded agencies. The FBI boasts about corruption prevention on their BLOG, but empirical evidence contained in the 10’s of the thousand civil right abuse cases that allege federal law violation by pre-discovery motion are dismissed further shielding corruption, even though the information is available to a 5th grader online at www.pacer.gov . Those few cases ruled in favor of citizen Plaintiffs v. officials are ignored without indictments for overt violations. The code of silence is protecting corruption, as if most of our law enforcement ratifies corruption by inaction.
First of all immunity is synonymous with despotism and dictatorship. You can only have TYRANNY with IMMUNITY! Tyrants cannot be held accountable by citizens when they are immune. United States holds to the Doctrine of Immunity! The doctrine of Immunity is still responsible preventing citizens of their governments to stop genocide as recently as the Bosnia conflict, which we countered by more genocide with indiscriminate bombing raids for 80 days, even taking out the Chinese Embassy without any repercussions. Ironically and very frustrating to those who have done their due diligence in regards to protesting officials due to the fact that they will not unleash their death-grip on immunity for self preservation, they are aware that in 1945 Germany abandoned the Doctrine of immunity! Yet U.S.A. wants to protect officials in the same manner Germany manifested Hitler with the “doctrine of immunity.” See: 1. International Law Reports - Google Books Result by Elihu Lauterpacht, C. J. Greenwood - 1984 - Law - 504 pages German Courts adopted the standpoint of the absolute immunity of foreign States until 1945 (cf. RGZ 62, 165; 103, 274 and 111, 375, 380). ... books.google.com/books?isbn=0521464102...
Secondly, the colonist in 1770’s America under King George III, were promised that Despots and Tyrants would not be tolerated if they would commit treason against England and fight for the dangling carrot of “personal sovereignty!” After the Constitution and the Bill of Rights referred to as the Ten Amendments, it was apparent that common citizens had finally achieved respect, so they thought and the joke was on them! It was a Pre Martin Luther King Jr., “free at last” event! Dwindling tyranny was dealt with swiftly by pre 1789 citizens themselves in courts that sided with them undermining the political agenda’s of corrupt officials who just didn’t get it, nor did they care. Most of these law suits involved war debts that officials willingly breached! Today support of immunity may be evidence that the Declaration of Independence may have been an intentional fraud to induce treason against the King for personal gain by upcoming U.S. officials who authored the treason, an opportunity for a new ‘Conspiracy Theory’! For 13 years the New Americans of the United States were free, with exception of Slaves from Africa who were reduced to only “3/5” of a human being not entitled to liberty in 1787 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise . Also, the indigenous American Indian’s were reduced to pesky varmints who could be shot on site, as one would shoot a fox raiding a chicken coop, or a deer trampling the flower garden with the ultimate result of free real estate.
By 1789 Citizens were depleting the accounts of corrupt officials and federal and state jurisdictions that were not honoring war contracts. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Chisholm+v.+Ge... Only tyrants make promises that cost human lives and then breach them. The Citizens of the time finally had achieved freedom and a hope for an honest government, once it had been culled of the greedy dishonest legislators. Chisholm v. Georgia, again leaning on the Rule of Law in the almost extinguished light of the Declaration of Independence, found that, “FEDERAL COURTS HAD THE AUTHORITY TO HEAR CASES IN LAW AND EQUITY BROUGHT BY PRIVATE CITIZENS AGAINST STATES AND THAT STATES DID NOT ENJOY SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY FROM SUITS MADE BY CITIZENS OF OTHER STATES.” [QUOTING CHISHOLM]. Amazingly, those justices that decided this case actually wrote and framed the U.S. Constitution. They stated in the case that, "The four concurring justices agreed that final sovereignty resided in the people of the United States,..." [see: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Chisholm+v.+Ge... ] Today's justices defend immunity citing “History and Reason” of rule supports “immunity.” This is a smoke and mirror diversion of the actual facts! Yet actual history of the Actual drafters of the Constitution has controverted these modern corrupt justices rationale in America who perpetrate immunity as a tyrant in dictatorship fashion without vote! Justices in support of immunity are a conflict of interest and self preserving, a violation of their judicial canon, but few object! The drafters intended U.S. Citizens to have sovereign power of the government to eradicated corrupt officials, and the 11th amendment, the first congressional veto of the Supreme Court nullified the United States Constitution placing citizens back under the authority of a King tyrant! " Iredell, the one dissenting vote, then concluded that the states enjoyed the same sovereign immunity as the English King at the time of the American settlement." [see: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Chisholm+v.+Ge... ] The minority opinion was ratified as the 11th amendment to controvert justice with injustice, an impossibility for a Republic based upon rule of law with sane citizens!
1789 U.S. Congress was terrified. 2 Days after Chisholm they converted the Declaration of Independence into toilet paper, and poured the blood of Washington’s soldiers into cocktails and became drunk with power and it has not ceased since.
The Title “Immunity for Legislators Supported by History & Reason” [London Craigslist: Politics 1-26-10] is the mantra that is the unification of bureaucrats who enjoy a utopian lifestyle literally free from liability, with full pension in retirement that “private citizens, they view as their enemies, will never see! This article will have expired by now, but if you read this delightful article of quotes, you will find that “History and Reason” is cited only back to the era of 1980’s. It is a typical script response of those who defend immunity, also chiming the obvious that the Declaration is not law, overstating the obvious and an ad hominem moot defense. The article had judicial opinion that supporters of immunity view with Holy Grail faith. Ironically, Monty Python, if they were more alert, could have used this for a decade of new material, as it is so absurd!
This argument in support of immunity is conjured by those in support totalitarian tyranny! There are enough honest people that would do fine in government, and if they were liable, they would move cautiously and be able to keep empathy for the rights of citizens in their jurisdiction. Immunity promotes sociopath behavior, by allowing officials to view human beings rights as insignificant, and it is evident that they loose no sleep while they abuse their citizens! BBC News has identified this trend of hard core abusers that gravitate to “power” especially in government roles as “psychopaths in suits” who do no physical violence, by perpetrate mayhem with injustice! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3395443.stm .
Think about it. It is a very small majority who support immunity. I have discovered that most people are not aware of it, and if they are, they have not done their due diligence to allow them plausible opinion. The conclusions are not vast, but simple. The U.S.A. and the Declaration of Independence is an inarguable example of the deception that occurred in a very significant and precedential revolution that promised an end to immunity, when it stated an end to “Absolute Tyranny,” “Absolute Despotism,” “a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only,” “obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.” “Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices,” "giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation,” [this quote stands alone] “For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment,” [again, immunity in the United States bars law suits prior to discovery] “For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury” [this is the exact result of immunity!], “A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people,” Unquoting the Declaration: All of these grievances have been placed back into the U.S. Government! Support of this is in violation of the Constitution based upon the Declaration of Independence and the author of Article III of the U.S. Constitution James Wison.
Prior to signing the declaration, they ended with this, “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence [emphasis added], we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” In 1789, two days after Chisholm v. Georgia, Legislators, moved to bring their attempt at hiding the named conspiracies to deprive rights from the shadows, as the preceding court cases revealed. They breached their pledge of “…fortunes…honor… and lives…!” They made a brilliant tyrannical move, and brought the deprivation of rights out in the open by dishonoring the declaration of independence, and the Supreme Court justices, who as authors of the Constitution, attempted to not ‘interpret’ the intentions of the authors, but were the actual authors of Article III! So brilliant it will be a text book case on future government coups so covert that will leave the citizens unaware even though that act was so overt! This can and will be viewed as the easiest overtaking of a government by coup, which has never been reported by any left or right wing free press! These traitors created the 11th amendment, the origin of U.S. immunity which was abandoned from 1776 until 1789. All of those now, who hold to this Immunity, are unworthy of Honor and are willing tyrants. History one day will reflect this! Until the profit motive is removed, immunity will shield corrupt legislative acts! The profit motive is a the power of withholding a paycheck of officials if they refuse to ignore recognition of corruption by officials, and their shield from suit, typically by “mock trials” to “protect them from punishment” if and when on occasion their immunity is abrogated! Recent case law by the Supreme Court has shown favor to employers of “whistle blowers” by protecting employers when they punish the whistle blowers! http://www.google.com/search?q=whistle+blowers+not+protected...
Furthermore, look at the basis here. Congress and officials were breaching contracts against private citizens who funded the war. Citizens were suing the government, because they were declared sovereign, and the courts were finding the government and officials liable prior to 1789. They claim that “further lawsuits would wipe out the government,” yet never mention certain officials who would lose what they had left, due to liability. Bankruptcy was looming for these officials if this trend kept up! Bankruptcy is nasty business, with negative social implications for those in politics especially. Yet with the stroke of the pen, in a move similar to a middle finger to the Supreme Court, congress sidestepped bankruptcy, immunizing themselves, and every official in the U.S. with qualified immunity, in regards to the 11th amendment, and now municipalities. They ratified the 11th amendment which made them as powerful as kings and dictators, but the original intent was to sidestep personal bankruptcy under the fallacy of “saving the union” from the ignorance of the authors of the Constitution!
I would hope citizens of the world would study the “doctrine of immunity” and realize the individual abuses that are unnecessary and demand that legislation remove immunity, as was done in Germany and other European countries who’s justice is surpassing the United States openly! It seems that the United States Citizens could care less as they mock advocates against immunity. The only people I know who are interested are those who have had human rights abuses perpetrated against them, and find they have no recourse. Yet immunity may seem isolated and insignificant and for the “greater cause” or purpose, it cultivates corruption by allowing practitioners of corruption to move forward. All people should be treated equal, and positions of official business without liability are a pipe dream perpetrated by evil men / woman skewing justice for all.
Pat Hamer February 9, 2010.
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You may have studied something, but I have to ask. Did you steal this from craigslist or are you just spamming them too?
http://london.craigslist.co.uk/pol/1571713967.html
Thanks for being concise
email the london cl immunity article
and I will respond if you need some sort of self assurance1! Don't want to leave my inegrity in question do we?
On the contrary my friend!
I am the culprit what speaks about the vile evils of Immunity arrg!
I authored the London cl article, also check for my others on oped news. They banned me for this speech the title is Immunity makes democracy a moot point, I think. That article is a few years old!
Also check Russia and China Cl, that is me attempting to bring sovereignty to the world front.
I do not plagiarize; I cite all non common knowledge information. As far as I know, I am the only immunity opponent who has tied the 11th amendment to a motive for officials to avoid bankruptcy on revolutionary war debts. I also have also shown that the 11th amendment was a brilliant corrupt coup returning the United States to what existed before the revolution - despotism adorned with all the allegations of grievances named in the Declaration of Independence!
There is nothing new under the sun, and this information is based upon court cases, particularly Chisholm v. Georgia, Bogan v. Scott Harris, and contrasting with Gonzales v. Castle Rock. I think anybody could have pointed to the same conclusions and others do, but I haven’t seen my coup theory which is highly probable, as that is essentially what occurred, or the BK motive immunizing them from punishment and liability of future litigation that was prevalent from 1777 to 1789. They admit to these suits, and it is indisputable really!
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no, that"s not spam sovereignty, that is the king of spam, the mac daddy of spam, the big spam enchilada !
Extremely informative and very well addressed.
I very much enjoyed your comment and have had similar track of thought for years but could never address it as you have.
"Since 1789 the only government on Earth that has the power to crush the American people`s liberties across the board is the government of the United States"
Robert Higgs
Thank you
I must be in a, dare I say, higher informed class of BLOG. I have been attempting to reach those who banter about bush, Clinton, Obama, as if they were football team supporters. Usually in craigslist! It’s sad really. I usually get lambasted as a lunatic from that crowd. I would assume that those people vote, so I would like them to know these facts. I just found this page, and I have responded to a few articles myself. Most Reponses were critical and my intent is not to demean. I am a victim of Sovereignty and do not like what it does! I was forced by curiosity discover the reason the corruption I discovered is ratified by officials! It is a protected right it turns out. U.S. A. is a free for all, for those who choose to work in politics or the criminal justice system. Step right up and get your piece of pie! If God is Sovereign, I’m looking elsewhere, but I know that not to be true. Sovereignty is the right to immune yourself from incompetence, corruption and crime. Bogan v. Scott Harris, inter alia from the U.S. Supreme Court. Thank you for your comment! I don’t get paid to research and positive comments are nice! I did leave a few objects for criticism as sort of an experiment, we'll see.
Sovereign
...at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects...with none to govern but themselves [CHISHOLM v. GEORGIA (US) 2 Dall 419, 454, 1 L Ed 440, 455 @DALL (1793) pp471-472.]
The very meaning of 'sovereignty' is that the decree of the sovereign makes law. [American Banana Co. v. United Fruit Co., 29 S.Ct. 511, 513, 213 U.S. 347, 53 L.Ed. 826, 19 Ann.Cas.
The people of this State, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the King by his prerogative. [Lansing v. Smith, 4 Wend. 9 (N.Y.) (1829), 21 Am.Dec. 89 IOC Const. Law Sec. 298; 18 C Em.Dom. Sec. 3, 228; 37 C Nav.Wat. Sec. 219; Nuls Sec. 167; 48 C Wharves Sec. 3, 7]
Consuming v Producing
OctoBox wrote: "Everyone (workers, students, owners, seniors, and children) are all consumers."
And that is one of the main problems today. In the "old" days everyone was a producer which is what built this country and its never before excelled economy. Fast forward to today and as every body is now a consumer we are creating the world's greatest debt and dependency mind-set.
List all the government agencies and policies designed to hinder and prevent PRODUCTION....
There was never one "producer" that was "born"
If I use your definition of "producer" (as if man actually produces), I must first "consume" ideas, knowledge, skill, resources, and tools to do it.
Consume: To Use, To Waste, To Diminish, To Transform, and To Absorb.
Man has never "truly" produced one thing -- He can only "transform" -- to transform he must "use" and to use he must "waste" and to waste he must "diminish" and to diminish he must "consume"
It is a perfect Circle. 360 Degrees
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
Not exactly true.
One can produce more than the sum of what he consumes.
It is not a ~perfect circle~, although it very well could be a self-constructive cycle.
Unless you go by the idea that an engineer is just a clever way to convert coffee to structural designs.
:)
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
Hahahahaha: Touche Devon
Production (1 time even)
---Everthing else is "transformation"
Transformation is a subset of Consumption.
Consumption = To Use, To Waste (diminish), and to Transform
Consumption is measure in Time
There can never be "final consumption" while the Universe continues to Expand either.
This means that once we "use" something it can only be transformed, into a base form of its original productive unit -- waiting to be consumed (transformed) yet again.
You can't "un-produce" either.
Use - Waste - Diminish - Transform
----None of which suggest finality
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
1 step further
An origional thought.
Is not transformation to me, it is creation.
I would put that on the "production" side of Production/Consumption.
And also the only redeeming quality of that thing we call a human.
An opinion, as always.
Keep up the fight.
:)
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
Devon: I think we are in agreement here
At the instant "creation" sprang forth all the building blocks were produced -- that's the production moment.
The "inteligent design" (if that's not a negative to you) was perfect and manifest in that moment.
For me everything that came after that was consumption (use - transformation - waste - to diminish)
My view is that nothing "creates" after the creator-moment and all's we can do is "transform" the building blocks; we can "arrange uniquely" but cannot "produce" a thing.
When man "produces" he is really only inteligently-rearranging what was there before.
All thoughts were produced -- or the building blocks anyway. Man "arranges uniquely"
All sound was produced
I'm not attached to there being a Big Bang, Creationist Moment, or Intelligent Design.
It doesn't matter.
I gotta go watch James Bond with my Father; he's 73 and loves the Bourne Movies, the Bond Movies, the Underworld Movies, and the Kill Bill Movies. I think he's watched these series 20 times or more, hahaha.
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
Dale: "producers" are first consumers
Consumption Means: To Use, to Waste, to Absorb, to Diminish, and to Transform.
Whether you are a Big Banger or a Creationist
God or the Bang "created - produced" -- Everything after that was an act of Consumption.
We Consume: Knowledge, Water, Nutrients, Resources, Tools, Services, Energy -- And Time!
There is only "consumption" -- There is naught else.
We are consuming electricity as we type -- and nutrients as we debate. We seek (to consume) knowledge off the net. We give knowledge ("transform") from ourselves for others to consume.
We are "consumers"
No one Produces -- Production ended in that instant Everything was Created or Burst Forth.
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
Propertarian-Sovereignty vs Consumer-Sovereignty
Rothbard vs Mises
When people say sovereignty by itself here on DP they are talkin about Rothbardian-Homesteading and the Common Law Movement.
Law -- is a right, backed by a force-agency
There are no voluntary "laws" -- voluntary means you may freely disregard and propertarian laws are "supposedly" enforceable in a free-society by voluntary courts. OXYMORONIC.
If we seek an individualist model that benefits the maximum number of people and does not prop-up "perpetual war" (workers vs owners: capitalism - corporatism - founders-minarchism - nobles vs peasants) then we are truly seeking Consumer-Sovereignty.
Everyone (workers, students, owners, seniors, and children) are all consumers.
Liberty is a One-Size-Fits-All model.
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
According to the propositional-
"Ideal of the Individual"
http://dailypaul.com/node/122408
Sovereignty is one of 6 axiomatic principles of natural rights
1) property
2) agency
3) corporality
4> sovereignty
5) philosophy
6) spirituality
and is characterized by an individual's own
-manufactured articles/'estate'
-evidential medium/'implement'
-essential incarnation/'sanctum'
>sphere of influence/'domain'
-scope of thought/'belief'
-realm of divinity/'providence'
prospectively
The notion of state sovereignty did not exist before 1648
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soverignty
Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a territory. It can be found in a power to rule and make law that rests on a political fact for which no purely legal explanation can be provided.
The concept has been discussed, debated and questioned throughout history, from the time of the Romans through to the present day, although it has changed in its definition, concept, and application throughout, especially during the Age of Enlightenment.
The current notion of state sovereignty was laid down in the Treaty of Westphalia (1648), which, in relation to states, codified the basic principles of territorial integrity, border inviolability, and supremacy of the state (rather than the Church. A sovereign is a supreme lawmaking authority.
Etymology: Middle English soverainte, from Anglo-French sovereinté, from soverein
Date: 14th century
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
Sovereign (disambiguation)
Sovereign may refer to:
Sovereignty, a philosophical concept or state
Sovereign (British coin)
Sovereign Hill, Victoria, Australia
Sovereign Bank, banking institution in the United States
Sovereign wealth fund, type of investment funds
Sovereign Limited, Insurances company of New Zealand
SOVEREIGN, the residential portion of the 3344 Peachtree mixed-use development in Atlanta's Buckhead district
Sovereign Pontiff, a title for the Pope
Monarch, the sovereign of a monarchy
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
I'm pretty sure the Earth isn't even that old
1648? Ha! As if there was ever a year called that. You conspiracy nuts crack me up. 1648. . .rotflmao
I've never met anyone from 1648 so I'm pretty sure it never existed. Why are you going around spreading fear that the Earth is over 300 years old?
Explore Orthodox Christianity
A beginning without a beginning, and an end without an end.
Infinity. Can you feel it! "being"
I am at peace, and one with the sovereign of eternity.
I accept the sun rises, as I accept infinite oneness.
Atomic-nucleo-electro-magnetism.
Before the usurpation of sovereingty by any other definition, the concept is "owned"' by the shamans and pagans.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”