Rand doesn't want opponent in charge of counting ballots; Grayson calls request 'absurd' and 'insulting'
http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/1104889.html
FRANKFORT, Ky. -- Republican Rand Paul doesn't want his chief opponent in Kentucky's U.S. Senate race to oversee the vote count in the May primary election.
Paul, son of former Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul of Texas, is running against the man who oversees elections in Kentucky, Secretary of State Trey Grayson. In a letter sent to Grayson's Capitol office earlier this week, Paul asked Grayson to recuse himself from overseeing the Senate election.
"I really feel like if you're in the election, you shouldn't count the votes," Paul told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "I think he shouldn't have access to any computers counting or tabulating the votes."
Grayson spokesman Les Fugate called the request absurd. Fugate said Grayson won't recuse himself.
"It is an insult to the judgment of Kentuckians that Mr. Paul suggest Secretary Grayson stop doing the job that they elected him to do," Fugate said. "Secretary Grayson is a national leader in elections reform who has received broad, bipartisan support for his commonsense ideas that make our elections more secure, more accessible, and more honest. This political request is absurd and blatantly self-serving."
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I've said it before.......
....and I get chastised for it on here as "being a defeatist." I am only trying to emphasize the point!
You can have all the constitution-minded, liberty-forging, honest candidates with a pulse. But......if the vote-count is rigged (which we KNOW IT IS in this country), then what good is hurling dollars in their campaign coffers? You can canvas and hold rallies and raise money and raise the DEAD! Until we can be assured the vote counts are legitimate, it's putting the cart before the horse.
Ron Paul's 2008 campaign proved that the vote counts were flawed and inaccurate. It's tainted now and will remain that way until we fix THAT FIRST! Elections mean nothing when the outcome has been decided before it ever occurs.
Has Grayson
come off this patently ridiculous stance yet?
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A conflict of interest,to say
A conflict of interest,to say the least.
Any feedback from Grayson office?
The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
Joseph Stalin
wow
what a fraud, i am gonna start posting on his forum
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Holy CRAP!!!!
Fugate is an executive staff member of the Secretary of State's office.
Is this a campaign issue or a state issue?
Another conflict of interest.
Fugate is suppose to represent the office, not the office holder.
This needs to be investigated and he also needs to recuse and the entire staff as well if this is how they operate.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
oops. another self edit
I misunderstood.
Still stinks, though.
Yet another edit- Maybe I didn't misunderstand. I thought after re-reading, that Fugate being referred to as Grayson's spokesman in the article might have meant he was acting as spokesman from the Sec. of State's office.
But according to this, Fugate is referred to as Grayson's campaign spokesperson:
http://kywordsmith.com/#/graysonofficial/4534980280
If Fugate is Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and acting as Grayson's campaign spokesperson, that would certainly seem to be another conflict of interest.
I'm not finding much to confirm that he is the campaign spokesperson, though, other than the kywordsmith quote.
Is Les Fugate affiliated with Grayson's campaign?
It should be worthwhile
It should be worthwhile looking for more.
I'd expect an executive to call on people he knows and trusts both to staff his campaign and staff the office he administers. So bet on the upper management of the Secretary of State's office and the campaign hierarchy to be practically twins.
Hardly surprising. But if doled out correctly the word of this gives a big appearance of corruption (as well as the situation giving Grayson a big opportunity for it).
Dig enough and even if the top guys were actually squeaky-clean you'll probably find some lower level people who "bent" the rules in the boss' favor, too.
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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."
That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.
Nice catch!
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Cricket ....
I am going to email the campaign about this.
Can you do the same?
Redundancy is always best.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Done.
I sent a message through Rand's campaign contact page and gave them the kywordsmith.com link with the quote above referring to Fugate as Grayson's campaign spokesperson and asked them to comfirm if Fugate is in fact a spokesperson for Grayson's campaign and if so, does this pose an additional conflict of interest that needs addressed.
Is Mr. Fugate familiar with the term......
"Conflict of Interest?" Evidently, not.
Get A CLUE FUGATE.
Ummm - has anyone seen the Stephen King move Carrie???
Yeah, even high school drama queens know better than to trust votes!
Get A Grip.
If you Have NOTHING TO HIDE then you have NOTHING TO FEAR. (wow - good one).
Les Fugate is just a chump SEEKING his 15 Minutes.
http://www.facebook.com/les.fugate
http://www.sos.ky.gov/secdesk/staff/contactlfugate.htm
Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica
Amazing
If Mr. Grayson was honorable, he would have agreed and negotiated a resolution to ensure fairness. If Grayson was wise, he would have agreed to ensure votes. Grayson is neither honorable nor wise. Grayson lies. He better promise a lot of jobs and bread and circuses.
Bump
Court order injunction to recuse Grayson
So,
he was elected to do his job? OK, I can live with that.
Was he also elected on premise that he would put his job on side to run for the senate seat? That means he was not interested in that job to begin with, but was pulling Hillary-type move for more power because "it's the best for the people." Let him finish his term and then he can run for whatever he wants. Anything else would be "and insult to the judgment of Kentuckians."
"It is an insult to the judgment of Kentuckians that Mr. Paul suggest Secretary Grayson stop doing the job that they elected him to do," Fugate said.
Rand should have waited a few years, built his name nationally
and taken his father's seat -- RP will need to retire soon anyway.
Then 8 years later run for President.
Although I think it's all folly -- One elected public educator is all we need.
You can't "fix" Corporatism by Corporatist Methods
----Lobbying and Voting
Our "problem" is a Consumer-Purchasing issue -- It's 100% of the evil "their's" revenue stream: 1) Consumers-who-Purchase, 2) Consumers-who-Invest, and 3) Consumers-who-Abdicate (vote, lobby, pay taxes, keep money in banks, keep assets on wall street, put kids in pub ed, and buy corporatist products).
Localism + Non-Aggression + Non-Participation = Counter-Economics
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
if you would...
only learn to keep your keyboard locked, octobox, people would never know just how lame brained your replies are...
i think it is safe to say you are the only one in the room with this opinion...that means, now that you have interjected, you may take a seat in the back of the forum away from the rest of us...you won't be missed!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
*climbs up on cross*
*hands ecorob the stakes*
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
ready for the challenge...
he nails octo-negativity to the WALL!
(and hangs a box of donuts around his neck because, hey, i'm no sadist)
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
I meant "cross-roads" and "steaks"
someone get these fattening donuts off of me, I'm calorie counting.
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
We need two crosses.....
Octo, I'm with you!
I have found it to be so interesting how, even within the "Revolution", you still find those that refuse to consider a deeper perspective. Dr. Paul was very influential on me to "dig deeper" and look for the root of the problem. Also, George Carlin's philosophical comedy made me think more! Ultimately it's a herd mentality that people fall prey to.
I liked your analogy!
Thanks Opengee
On a side note I saw Carlin in concert in '86 or '87 in Nor Cal.
It's like a Gallager show, you gotta be there (live) and you must sit near the front to absorb the facial expressions.
There's been very few comedians who could connect the dots the way Carlin did.
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
God loves a Thinker!
This reminds me of the post-2008 election rally to "take over the GOP" here in upstate SC. All the remnants of the RP Meetups were trying to galvanize and take over the GOP and "fix it" or whatever. Only then did I realize that it transcended Ron Paul and the GOP. I had no interst in the republican party beforehand, and even less interest afterward! Take it over? Why? I don't want to become an alcoholic or heroin addict so I can lead other addicts and drunkards away from it! That may not be an accurate parallel, but it's saturday!
I don't know about you, but
I don't know about you, but I'm thrilled that Rand is doing as well as he is and proving that the time is now! Besides, a senate seat is a huge leap from a representative seat. As to the prospect of a presidential bid, a Senator is far likelier to succeed than a representative. I'm not even sure a representative has ever won a presidential bid - I think I remember mention of it during RP's 08 campaign. Moreover, how awesome it will be to have an RP in the house and senate at the same time!
Well said!
I couldn't agree more. Tough to implement though, but the FreeStaters in New Hampshire are doing their best.
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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine
Too Funny
"I really feel like if you're in the election, you shouldn't count the votes," Paul told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
Lol ... Ya might think that would be an implied rule. Sounds like a soap opera in every state. Wishing you better luck with yours.
Regardless ...
Paul better have his poll watching volunteers in place.
Grayson can recuse but it will only make his vote fixing look that much more legitimate.
Besides its not like KY has had any vote fraud under Grayson's watch ...
Oh wait ...
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7627
WAHOR!!
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What does "more honest" mean?!?
Honest is like pregnant: either elections are honest or they're not. Sounds suspicious to me.
Suspicious indeed
"More honest" = not like what we normally do. A little step up from that.