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OK! How would you teach our children to understand the Constitution and the Responsibility that comes with that goal?

I am not looking for generalities. I am looking for a plan. I want specifics for a curriculum even an outline, to teach our kids about the Constitution. Responsibility that comes with freedom and liberty.

This post is to put each of you on the spot. I don't want BS, I don't have time for that. I want a curriculum to teach 12-17 year olds on what the country means and what the constitution means.

Help me here. I am going to change the way schools operate. Don't believe me? Give me this knowledge. I will sell it. I am the best salesman you have ever met. I can do this. I just need true patriots to put this together.

A program for educating the children about our country and the constitution. What can you contribute to the kids.

Jim



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Some thoughts on teaching this to kids

This is a good project BMWJIM. No matter how the current situation is handled, a final solution has to encompass education otherwise we'll end up back in the same boat.

I think it's no accident that modern education leaves people confused about these fundamental issues and it's probably one of the best arguments for home schooling there is.

When it comes to teaching this stuff to kids though, there are some pitfalls that I've observed.

The first hurdle is that kids are not likely to have enough life experience and knowledge of history to appreciate the purpose of the Constitution (excepting the kids of Daily Paul members!). If one tries to assert one's authority and force them to learn it anyway, the result will be negative, just as it would be with an adult. They would make no attempt to understand all the big words and it would quickly become meaningless, tiresome mumbo-jumbo. They would conclude that the teacher is probably some kind of fanatic, not to be taken seriously, and that the subject is best avoided.

As an example, here in Taiwan they teach "The Three Principles of the People" to high school kids. This is the socio-political ideology of Dr. Sun Yat Sen, the founder of the Republic of China. Practically none of the kids know what it all means or what it has to do with their futures, nevertheless it's force-fed to them with great conviction and ferocity. One for one, the kids come out of school with no understanding and varying degrees of resentment toward the subject. This is a great pity because there's profound wisdom in it, provided that one weeds out the collectivist bits.

That said, how do we give them enough background for them to realize the importance of the Constitution? Well that's a big question that depends a lot on the age of the kid(s) and their experience. Although there are many resources around, not many are suitable for a kid's level. I personally have made good use of "Money as Debt" (only the first part) and lots of G. Edward Griffin's work, especially his "The Future is Calling" articles where he clearly defines collectivism and individualism, and also his various writings and videos on the Fed. I can't say I've worked it out enough to compile a curriculum. I'm not even sure about the success of teaching this in "school" anyway, since it is normally presupposed that the children must listen to the teacher and accept what he tells them, but this approach only helps to mold them into the "good citizen" mentality (good in the eyes of the slave master). It's also the main reason for the apparent irresponsibility of young people. People of any age seldom accept responsibility for things that have been forced upon them. A patient home-schooling parent on the other hand who allows a kid to think for himself, would be more likely to raise a kid who would finally come to terms with it all and start to take his share of responsibility for where this world is headed.

One also has to be careful not to overwhelm a kid with bad news. It's tough enough even for adults to wake up to what's really going on around us. Kids are likely to feel totally powerless to do anything about it unless we give them more good news than bad. I continually misjudge this myself in my enthusiasm to wake others up! I remember that during Dr. Paul's campaign he always told those at the rallies that we should have fun. It was great advice.

I'd say I'm "preaching to the choir" with a lot of the stuff I've written here, but anyway, I hope that it might be of some help somewhere along the line.

http://kidsresourcecenter.org
Fun, educational projects to inspire young minds...

Please don`t say "our children" they are either your children or

my children. You are responsible for yours and I for mine. I heard "our children" from the government for over 50 years with bad results every time.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

As a teacher...

I teach Civics to 9th graders and am definitely willing to help you out. The problem is that there's no way to send the whole curriculum (as well as suggestions for "selling" it to districts) at you over this forum. Throw me an email address.

It's only a unit (about a month long) but I use a lot of stuff in that month. Even though the amount of time I have to focus on the constitution is limited we come back to it as much as possible.

The opener for talking about the Bill of Rights is watching this video with no set up. We then critique what we saw which leads to ideas about freedom of speech, patriotism, etc. It definitely gets the kids involved although some kids struggle as the constitution doesn't always match up with what their parents tell them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGAzfZR6gUg

I find when its taught properly, which it rarely is, the ideas of the Constitution definitely take hold and like the good Dr. says, "Freedom is popular!"

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Have them read

all the Charters starting from the Virginia Charter that King James authorized. also have them read about the "Great Awakening" with Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield and it's impacts on the thinking of the founding fathers and the people of the colonies. teach them about forced church licensing by the anglican church that James Madison dealt with so that they will understand what "the separation of church and state" really means ,though they have been taught differently. then they will understand the complaints in the Declaration of Independence, the need for the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

then they will understand all these quotes by the founding fathers without confusion...
http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm
X

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

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Thank you christopher. First I will read these. I have

Never read these. Thank you so much! This is what I love about the DP.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

your welcome

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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

good link for Charters

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/statech.asp
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

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Got it.

Thank you!

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

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I want to thank everyone that responded positively.

My goal with this post is to create a curriculum for teaching a group of young people the true goal and understanding of this great document. I am looking into the area of Junior Achievement, Junior Deputies or quite possibly Junior Oathkeepers. I think we need to start reaching them younger and give them what we believe for a change.

This will not be easy but as I told you, I am the best salesman you will ever meet. My goal is to get this into the civics classes, ROTC,Sports programs, outside of school, the junior deputy programs and quite possibly start a junior Oathkeeper Program.

If I can sell this to the various school systems the we can move it Nationwide. Doing this on the local level should be fairly easy for teachers live in your subdivision, visit your local market. Once the project is organized even the naysayers on this site can sell it to the local community.

Now tell me what you think of the idea. It can be positive or negative. I can take either but it will NOT stop my vision.

I came here to ask my best friends for help and you did not let me down. Thank you all. A special thanks to you Michael. You have created a family and I am so proud to be part of it.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Becarful

That you are not accused of Counter Brainwashing!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Cant comply

with your strict 'guidelines'

that said to major points

1! The Golden Rule. Without understanding this principle, whether Christian or not, you can not understand liberty (IMO)

2. Responsibility. Most children would describe this word as akin to Chores. I try to explain to teenagers that this word is really 2 words. Response and Ability. While they may have a safety net now, the time will come when they will have to have the Ability to Respond to whatever life throws their way. If they dont take this seriously, they are the ones that wont have the ability to respond at a critical moment of their life, whether due to lack of experience or knowledge. Basically self-ownership.... its your brain.

That is all I got for you. Good luck.

one specific about money

A specific in teaching about money:
am providing children with silver eagles (real money), US coins, and foreign coins and tokens. Explaining what the difference and what has real value.

Should have kept your original username, BMWJIM.

Didn't you have GS1200 in it?

I learned to ride on a GS650. Great bike.

Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

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Thank you so much. I wish I could have.

Made some mistakes and JimR1150GS was no longer an option. I went a little overboard one night and got kind of threatening when I should have just logged off.

I still have that bike and still rides like a dream. Going for another short ride in march . Louisiana to Colorado. Want to see the western slopes again. Last time did the 3300 miles in 3 days. Gotta love these bikes.

Thank you for your post.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

BMW's

Always like the style of bike. Never had the opportunity to ride one but they seem to be set up great for touring. I have a sportster that I bored out and last summer went from Key West to PA. A1A highway was nice and Georgia is beautiful riding country.

Safe miles...

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

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I also ride north Georgia quite a bit.

Wonderful area. Great roads.

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

hmmmmm...

I think the kjv is good to start, then a little legaleze, then the constitution this might make them understand more and it will make more sense to your students.

Wisdom is better than weapons of War.....

hmmmmm...

I think the kjv is good to start, then a little legaleze, then the constitution this might make them understand more and it will make more sense to your students.

Wisdom is better than weapons of War.....

Bless your heart BMW!

Here is the National Center for Constitutional Studies. The teaching materials are already lovingly produced over the years just for people like you to come along and put them to good use:

http://www.nccs.net/index.html

Here is a program for young children:
http://www.nccs.net/index.html

Here are for the older ones:
http://www.nccs.net/study_courses.html

BTW, I would also include Michael Badnarik's book and/or DVD on the Constitutions' finer points for the older crowd called, 'Its Good To Be King'

I also ordered Constitution booklets from them for only .30 for our BPOU.

I love the people who put this organization together many years ago.

BMW, all the very best to you in your endeavors!

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Anisha, I will make good use of this

Thank you very much.

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

My son will be 5 in April

he can already tell you that the federal government is not legitimate, he doesn't understand why yet, cause he is four and I let him be a kid.

As he gets older and can understand better I will read him the Constitution and old history books, the key word "old" history books. I have found the older the book or periodical, not only the more information it has, it has more factual information.

You can't rely on government propaganda books to teach a child what we were actually meant to be as a Union of Sovereign States made up of sovereign individuals.

I have already taught him that we are responsible for ourselves and we will not depend on others for help. He knows that if something is not his that if he takes it that is stealing. Most importantly I try to teach him how to think and reason, instead of always telling him what to think. Being a parent it is my job to tell him what to do to keep him safe, but it is also my job to teach him in a way that lets him be able to think for himself.

If a kid knows how to think for themselves understanding the beauty of what we are supposed to be vs. what our government has become will be easy.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

ODell

You are right to a point,I am a book collector and have a set of Encyclopedias that show airmail as a small biplane with a hook on the bottom to fly down and hook a bag of mail hanging on a stand!LOL!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

True,

I have a astronomy book with 7 planets. :)

New stuff is always being discovered and added.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

I'm jealous, what year?

Seriously!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

The book is from around 1830's I think

I had an aunt that died when when she was 96, it was her mothers book that she used to teach school from. It is bound in old leather with a card board kind of stuff under the leather, no marking on the outside. I haven't had it out of the safe in years.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

Right on!

A safe is the place for a keeper like that.One of my pride and joys is a German cookbook from the late 1600's.Hand pressed,I wish I knew more german!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

ODell

I do have to say that you hit on the most important issue I have seen in along time.To teach our Children and Grandchildren how to think for themselves,to assess a situation and find a correct cure on their own,No matter what their friends tell them.I raised three girls that are very successful adults because of this,The boy friends and husbands are scared to death of them.and now we are working on the Grandchildren.
You can judge the character of a person by their kids.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Your Rugged Constitution

By Bruce and Esther Findlay,A very good reference book from a time(Pub.1930)When education was non-partial.The amendments from that date must be added,But it also shows all the "Stricken" language.
Amazon has 14 used copies.
http://www.amazon.com/Rugged-Constitution-Bruce-Allyn-Findla...

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Lesson #1

We are not following the Constitution today.

It's impossible to teach the Constitution the way it's done in children's schools, without admitting that it is not followed anymore. Nothing makes sense until that is admitted.

Defend Liberty!