Did HAARP hit Haiti? Evidence and motives
Submitted by pseudonym on Sat, 01/23/2010 - 14:54Hi everyone,
Nobody here knows whether the earthquake in Haiti was a natural disaster or a technological attack.
If you just assume it was a natural disaster, you are probably not current with what technology is capable of, or you are naively thinking human goodness or the rule of law precludes the actual use of such technology.
I compiled some of my favorite links from various threads here regarding the possibility that Haiti was caused by HAARP, for the purpose of ushering in a US military occupation, to allow for the the plunder of Haiti's ample resources by corporations whose dirty work is routinely carried out by our military.
Rather sinister but not unlike what's happening in Iraq, Afghanistan, Colombia, Africa, and basically all over the world.
Consider the picture that emerges from this collection of articles and videos. At the very least, you ought to be aware of HAARP, an extremely powerful tool and weapon run by the military with a range of capabilities. It is as real as the atomic bomb.
US Secretary of Defense admits technology exists for causing earthquakes, 1997:
"Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves." (He is talking about HAARP)
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcrip...
HAARP Technology- EXCELLENT short video (10 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRN0GDFH3Vs
HAARP Technology- Excellent longer lecture by Dr. Nick Begich
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8066925138937638623#
Jesse Ventura on HAARP- Very good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZOt29NR0FY
HAARP in Iran. Is it normal for dolphins and fish to be fried alive in the water during a series of earthquakes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSABjN7gZyg&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Japanese finance minister says US threatened Japan with earthquakes, evidence of HAARP causing Chinese earthquake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VX0JvpW5q0&feature=related
Chavez accuses US of causing Haiti earthquake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9QtZkT8OBQ
Royal Navy fleet leaves Haiti shortly before the earthquake:
"Naval sources told The Times that the unpublicised cut marked the first time that the Royal Navy has had a significant gap in cover in the Caribbean since the 17th century."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/...
A Haiti Disaster Relief Scenario Was Envisaged by the US Military One Day Before the Earthquake
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17122
Why is the US Military Occupying Four Airports in Haiti?
http://www.politicaltheatrics.net/2010/01/why-is-the-us-mili...
Haiti: Bonanza for Foreign Mining Companies
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17165
Another line of inquiry:
Did mining and oil drilling drilling trigger the Haiti earthquake?
http://open.salon.com/blog/ezili_danto/2010/01/22/did_mining...
Swiss company in trouble for causing earthquakes. (I include this just for skeptics who don't think human technology can cause earthquakes):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/15/swiss-geothermal...
We'll see where this is headed, we'll see whether youtube videos emerge of colored HAARP-type clouds over Haiti before the earthquake, we'll see who is getting rich from Haiti's resources...it certainly won't be the Haitians.
EDIT: Here is a video claiming to show a HAARP-type plasma ball over Haiti before the earthquake. It's hard to verify anything of this sort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0RzX3uqAls
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Environmental Modification Convention , Geneva 1977
* Apparently even way back in 1977 they were concerned enough about weather modification being weaponized that they felt it necessary to have this agreement.
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As used in Article I, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing -- through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes -- the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.
Understanding Relating to Article II
It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.
It is further understood that all the phenomena listed above, when produced by military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result, in widespread, long-lasting or severe destruction, damage or injury. Thus, military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II, so as to cause those phenomena as a means of destruction, damage or injury to another State Party, would be prohibited.
full agreement here:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/enmod/text/environ2.htm
also see:
"Owning the Weather" for Military Use
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Kay Hutchison's Weather Modification Research and Technology Act
The Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act (S.517) was introduced March 3, 2005, on the floor of the U.S. Senate by Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) without co-sponsors. The bill was placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders on December 8, 2005. Calendar No. 319.[1]
Senator Hutchison introduced the same bill, To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board and outline its duties and responsibilities (S.2170), in the 2nd Session, 108th Congress, March 4, 2004.
Weather modification forbidden
It should be noted that 'weather control', as well as 'weather tampering', is expressly forbidden dating from at least December 10 1976, when the 'United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, TIAS 9614 Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques' was adopted.[1]
"The Convention was: Signed in Geneva May 18 1977; Entered into force October 5 1978; Ratification by U.S. President December 13 1979; U.S. ratification deposited at New York January 17 1980."[1]
more...
http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Weather_Modification_Resear...
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Who was it that said, "There's something rotten in Denmark"?
I wonder what he was talking about? Do you think he was a notorious "conspiracy theorist"? People need to wake up and realize our govenment has been hijacked by people who will use every resource of our great Country to achieve their goals, not ours. They hide behind shrouded veils of power within the federal beuracracy, and send out little puppets like Congressmen and Senators to do the dirty work-kissing babies and shaking your hand. The real agenda is hashed out where the sun doesn't shine (and certainly not THE SON) This carefully crafted agenda is then exploded into a leviathan bill of 2000 pages with the purpose of confusing the intent, and then our congresspeople are instructed how to steer and vote the measure, all with the payoff of personal fortune and re-election to the same bountiful hog trough. It's as old as mankind itself, only now we're playing with some pretty big and dangerous toys.
alan laney
This site should be more than speculation..
We should start to guide our forums to achieve practical solutions locally, and organize the intelligent minds on this site in a more tangible way.
we are too smart to be on the fringe
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild
"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"
-Permaculture Republican
You sir just said it right
I have been thinking this ever since I joined,There is too much Intelligence here to be wasted with no direction or physical effort.
"You go and carry off the enemy's land; the enemy comes and carries off your land"-Ancient Sumerian tablet
We are too smart NOT to be on the fringe
That's why we push for things like the legalization of marijuana.
This thread is more than idle speculation with absolutely nothing to go by. Tectonic weapons exist, Haiti has oil, our country attacks countries with oil, our military is now conveniently in Haiti.
So we are exploring this topic.
"Think globally, act locally." Not "think and act locally."
I have a question
Lets say these Conspiracies were true,until someone creditable proves them,what can we do about them?
The only thing I can see is to spend a lot of time talking about these Theories,along with a whole lot of worry and stress.
If we have all this time to talk about them then someone with this free time could have proved it by now.
Prove it and expose it.
"You go and carry off the enemy's land; the enemy comes and carries off your land"-Ancient Sumerian tablet
Repeating what I said below on this thread:
I would really like someone who remains skeptical after watching Dr. Begich's lecture and listening to Bernard Eastlund tell me precisely where they are asking you to take a leap of faith or making a scientific error. Because I don't see it. I'm not a scientist and so far, no one has shown up here refuting HAARP's potential in solid, technical terms.
In other words, the burden of proof is on the people who say it is not a weapon and cannot cause earthquakes. Our former Secretary of Defense stated plainly that people can create earthquakes with electromagnetic waves.
People are not going to do this
To take the time and prove that it is not a weapon or that it cannot cause earthquakes will not happen,there is too much fun in believing the theory.Human nature.
An old qoute"The sky is falling"
"You go and carry off the enemy's land; the enemy comes and carries off your land"-Ancient Sumerian tablet
It's the skeptics who should supply proof
to justify their mocking.
I am not mocking the theory
but as a novice scientist I know the process of proving an idea,everyone thought the world was flat until they were proved wrong,the burden of proof was on the theorist who decided he needed to proved it as being wrong,not the other way around, because it was a generally known fact at the time that it was flat.
I think you may have the burden of proof backwards,with respect,I am not saying that it is not possible.
"You go and carry off the enemy's land; the enemy comes and carries off your land"-Ancient Sumerian tablet
In the links above, proof is laid out
and so far no one has been able to tell me what is precisely the matter with that proof-- in other words, what prevents this from qualifying as "proof"?
I know that youtube videos are fundamentally circumspect, but how much can a filmed interview with HAARP's inventor be manipulated? That's proof as far as I'm concerned, along with all the other information, much of which is corroborated by HAARP's own representatives.
Frankly, I think people who are still crying out for proof haven't bothered with the links in the OP- that's the bottom line.
'Proof'... what are we debating here...
proof that HAARP could possibly, albeit a stretch, cause and earthqake, or proof that "HAARP hit Haiti" as you thread title implies.
Perhaps that is the real rub here, your title implies that indeed HAARP did hit Haiti, and here you'll find the evidence and motives. Did you really mean that? I don't really think so, but your title definitely implies it.
Is it impossible that HAARP could cause a quake? I wouldn't argue that it couldn't, but I can argue that you have absolutely no evidence that HAARP hit Haiti. So your title seems like a fearmongering, conspiracy exposing scream for attention, worthy of the criticism you've received -- IMHO.
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
He stated the following:
"What makes a good conspiracy theory?" "One that can't be proven." Mel Gibson, from the movie, Conspiracy Theory.
If people won't read beyond the title
Oh well. That's their fault.
In a court case, evidence is what's shown to the judge and jury (if there is a jury) as they weigh the facts. So I say there is "evidence" in this case that HAARP may have done it, and invite anyone else to post what they consider evidence. The fact that SOUTHCOM was all ready to go the day before the earthquake is evidence of something fishy to me; as is the timely removal of the British flotilla. The plasma ball video is also what you'd expect in a HAARP incident. Yes it's difficult to verify ANYTHING like that, but someone on this thread posted it for consideration, so I added it to the OP.
The US has a "motive" for invading Haiti, and that's to get those resources. The kidnapping of Aristide shows how serious they are about maintaining political control of that country. But I don't say anywhere that there is PROOF that HAARP hit Haiti. I say there is proof that HAARP can cause earthquakes, and if someone can disprove that, bring them on. We'd all like to hear it.
Search: Oil discovery in Cuba
And you'll start to see a clearer picture of "why" Haiti is in our governmnet's crosshairs. Big time oilfield discoveries around Cuba, the biggest of which is in the waters between Cuba and Haiti. Starting to see the motives for occupying Haiti? Then pour salt on the wound, Cuba is calling on just about every foreign government to help develop their fields, except the good old USofA, and Haiti "was" just about to do the same! Do we have the technology to topple walls and shake the ground? Sonic booms could rattle windows and knock wall hangings off - 40 years ago! Chaulk this up to another ground grab for our neocon leadership. This is starting to get easy to figure out.
alan laney
The drilling fallacy...
Liberty Belle wrote: "Republicae~ here is the 'logic'
Submitted by Liberty_Belle on Sun, 01/31/2010 - 13:31.
It is entirely logical considering that 'HAARP like' technology is used to locate oil and gas reserves. This could have 'INADVERTENTLY' set off the shift of the fault line. It is also known that drilling can set off a shift in an unstable fault line and there has been drilling offshore Cuba less than 60 miles from Haiti."
While I don't claim to understand HAARP technology completely, I have worked in the oil industry as a geologist/paleontologist for 25 years, so I'll tell you what I do understand.
They have been using seismic operations continuously in the Gulf of Mexico (GoM) for decades. Every minute of every day. The GoM is riddled with hundreds of faults. I've never heard of this seismic activity causing one of these faults to slip. We drill through faults on nearly every one of the 35,000 wells drilled in the GoM.
On rare occasions, drilling injection wells on a fault plane has caused minor quakes. Injection wells force fluid into the well, and could possibly 'lubricate' the fault plane that was about to move anyway. Two points here:
1) If oil is so abundant to justify this 'invasion', they would not be doing any injection, that is a last resort operation, when the field is near the end of its life and/or very difficult to extract. Today's prices would not justify that.
2) Drilling offshore especially as far away as Cuba would not make the fault underlying Port Au Prince slip. You would have to inject directly into the fault plane itself.
My HO... concentrate on the real problems and forget about HAARP until you have at least a wee bit evidence that HAARP caused it. Even if it's remotely possible, it does our cause no good to 'Chicken Little' this thing to death when there are more important issues.
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
No man, the sky really **IS** falling
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RON PAUL 2012
Bugman
Admit it, you pushed the wrong button didn't you?
"You go and carry off the enemy's land; the enemy comes and carries off your land"-Ancient Sumerian tablet
Damn you ATrue...
you've foiled my cover! Now I have to kill ya...
Just a joke, move along, nothing to see here...
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
LOL
Seeing what you do for a living?I had to ask.
"You go and carry off the enemy's land; the enemy comes and carries off your land"-Ancient Sumerian tablet
Thanks
What's your opinion about this article on human-triggered seismicity?
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2010/012710Lendman.shtml
Nothing new there really...
and I didn't read anything that disputed what I wrote above, did you? Interesting stuff, though, worth a read.
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Thanks again
Because it's nice to have a geologist acknowledge that people can create earthquakes in many ways.
This article doesn't specify how close the drilling has to be to the fault line. But, according to your knowledge, the real issue is, did drilling occur ON the fault line near Port-au-Prince? I haven't found any information about that yet.
IMO, not just 'drilling'...
but injection drilling. I don't think non-injection drilling has ever been thought to have caused a quake. And the injection well mentioned in the article you cited mentioned that they pumped millions of gallons of fluid into the well.
I'm fairly certain that just drilling a typical well through a fault won't cause it to slip, they do this frequently for research to study the fault.
Again, they almost certainly would not be resorting to injection type fracturing of wells in Haiti. They'd go after the easy oil first -- if there really is any.
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Hmmm
Can injection-type drilling be done with the express purpose of triggering an earthquake? Do they know how to manipulate the process to increase the chances of starting earthquakes?
I'm just wondering if we can really rule out drilling as a factor in the Haiti earthquake. Theoretically they could have used injection without it even being justified in an oil-recovering scheme..unless the likelihood is too great that they'd get caught. What do you think?
Can't argue with that...
I suppose one could possibly drill into a fault with the intention of injecting enough fluid or air to try and trigger the fault. I have no idea what the success rate is for actually triggering a fault with injection.
It would be hard to set up a rig big enough to drill deep enough without getting noticed. And, drilling is expensive though, and it would be mighty risky to spend millions of dollars on a hole that may or may not produce the intended results.
As I've said before, the right explanation is most often the simplest. The simplest explanation is that this was a quake whose time had come naturally, and the US took advantage of the situation and used it to have an excuse to occupy.
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
Is that REALLY the simplest explanation?
Pure serendipity, that we wanted to invade Haiti and nature gave us this golden opportunity?
You are more of an optimist than I am.
Luck is preparation meeting
Luck is preparation meeting opportunity. The US military is certainly well prepared.
Yeah, because they were EXPECTING the opportunity
...maybe?