For all you Che lovers
Here is an article I think you should read:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/castros_berlin_wallal...
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not ok with what is going on in Guantanamo nor a big fan of US imperialism but people have GOT to understand that Che is no hero, he was just another armed thug pushing collectivist ideology at gunpoint.
Other noteworthy failures include:
1 - Showing up on the wrong beach to repel U.S. troops at the Bay of Pigs.
2 - Accidentally discharging a pistol into his own face
3 - Destroying an entire sugar cane industry with his bungling, in mere months
When Che decided to export his feckless reforms to the Bolivians, he encountered a people armed with common sense and rifles. His years of living off the proletariat made him an ample target. After the Bolivians tired of his prattling they formed a firing squad and graciously ended Guevara's streak of incompetence.
Che's posthumous fame as a tee-shirt icon, that is, as a poster boy for materialism and radical chic, is exactly what this poseur and failure deserves.
The world is not black and
The world is not black and white. You can't fight empires without collectivist ideology. RP liberty movement is a collective ideology shared by and promoted by RP supporters.
Our civilization is the result of collectivism.
Freedom fighters quite often commit as many mistakes and atrocities as their oppressors, be it in Iraq, Afghanistan or Venezuela.
Is Chavez evil? Should he allow the "free market" be controlled by international oil cartels?
Who destroyed the middle class in Venezuela?
Chaves?
Or maybe the same people who destroyed the middle class in the Corporate States of America?
Are most people in Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and Salvador in a better situation than people in Cuba or Venezuela?
If things are that bad for the people in Cuba or Venezuela, I'm sure they would support their Free Market Corporate liberators, and rise up as they did against Batista. Communism in my native country lasted for almost half century... only because we had border with our "liberators" and those liberators stationed of 200 thousand red army troops inside of my country.
Any ideology to succeed has to create collective support and I can only hope that support of "free market" ideology will not include methods Che was using.
well said Janusz
I am also from Poland.
quote from you -
You can't fight empires without collectivist ideology. RP liberty movement is a collective ideology shared by and promoted by RP supporters.
Our civilization is the result of collectivism.
Solidarnosc-Solidarity was a Socialist Freedom Movement!
so often people forget that...
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no, our country was not born by collectivism
it was born by individual rights endowed by our Creator.
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Patrick Henry-“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Sigh
Nevermind the fact that most of the framers were Deists, not Christians, your quote is still garbage.
That is a quote from a 1956 copy of the Virginian, the article in it was ABOUT Patrick Henry. Patrick Henry never ever ever ever ever ever ever said those words.
But nice try. Please, next time, check your sources?
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So "We the People" isn't collectivist?
What the hell is it? It should have been, "Me, the guy" I guess.
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read my comment below Mike
RP is an "Individualist" "under our Creator".
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
the Bill of Rights proves "Individualism" over "Collectivism"
"Collectivism" would line up with "Democracy", whereas "Individualism" lines up with Individual/ "unalienable"(no one can put a lien against them because they come from our Creator) rights. So, if the majority decided to vote away your individual rights it would be "null and void" because they cannot put a lien against your individual "Creator given" rights. if this country was founded upon "Collectivism" then we would be a "Democracy" and slaves to the "Collectivism", and whatever the majority voted would be the "Collective" rights. This has not and never will be the case as our rights are based from our Creator not the people or the government and are given to "All men" equally. so anyone thinking our country was founded by "Collectivism" is dead wrong. our country was founded by "Individuals" under God our Creator who blessed us and granted these rights to us.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
26!
26 uses of the " key, and all in one paragraph!
Eric Hoffer
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And Ron Paul founded the USA?
Because I thought you said "born from". I must have misread your post.
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you refuted your own
you refuted your own statement by using the term "country".
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"Individualism"
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism
Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that stresses "the moral worth of the individual"[1]. Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires and so independence and self-reliance[2] while opposing most external interference upon one's choices, whether by society, or any other group or institution[3].
Individualism makes the individual its focus[4] and so it starts "with the fundamental premise that the human individual is of primary importance in the struggle for liberation." Human rights and freedom are the substance of these theories.
or
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/individualism
Main Entry: in·di·vid·u·al·ism
Pronunciation: \ˌin-də-ˈvij-wə-ˌli-zəm, -ˈvi-jə-wə-, -ˈvi-jə-ˌli-\
Function: noun
Date: 1827
1 a (1) : a doctrine that the interests of the individual are or ought to be ethically paramount; also : conduct guided by such a doctrine (2) : the conception that all values, rights, and duties originate in individuals b : a theory maintaining the political and economic independence of the individual and stressing individual initiative, action, and interests; also : conduct or practice guided by such a theory
2 a : individuality b : an individual peculiarity : idiosyncrasy
2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
While I do agree with you, I
While I do agree with you, I think that Chavez has recently exposed himself as undoubtedly evil by stealing half of the wealth of the country through currency devaluation and threatening to use military force against businesses that want to adjust prices.
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learning
nobody is all good or all bad. nobody.
another thing I've found, is that it's only an atrocity when someone Else does it.
history is written by the winners; follow the money... those statements imply there is a hidden history.
after all we've learned about economic hit-jobs and money-masters etc... I don't know how anyone can say these evil figures were all evil or had absolutely No good... or how we can still say some figures were wonderful great people and ignore the terrible things they did. Nobody is innocent. nobody.
From the parts I did catch of Beck's special, he didn't really go into Why che did what he did or what he did during his medical period.
I'm not saying he's right, but I do understand why this dog bites, that dog growls, and this other dog whimpers with his tail between his legs.
The Brits said
the same thing about our Founders. Che did his best in a very complex situation. Several members here understand this. I guess we will just have to be divided here on the DP. God bless, Che.
fedor... get a grip. Che was
fedor... get a grip. Che was a communist. He is totally the opposite of liberty and freedom. Someone should ask Ron Paul what he thinks about Che.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Ron Paul
is well aware of the evolution of Vietnam. Just because a people choose to take control of their lives by embracing communism, doesn't mean they will stay that way. Just open your eyes and take a look at reality. God bless, Che.
Viet Nam is still a communist
Viet Nam is still a communist country.. China is still a communist country. they have evolved to survive is all. You need to open your eyes. Viet nam or China have very limited liberty or freedom. Che is a communist. end of story.. nice reach again fedor. as the post above said about useful idiots.. if the show fits.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Ron Paul
has discussed the evolution of both. The world is not black and white :) God Bless, Che.
Liberty/tyranny is as black
Liberty/tyranny is as black and white as you can get.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Bush was doing what is right in his own eye
Every tyrant does what is right in his own eyes.
He does what he thinks is best for the people. Bush thinks Corporate rule is great. He is wrong but his hear may be in the right place.
che was just another tyrant
i think this article may be more effective - http://www.lewrockwell.com/fontova/fontova74.html
Excellent article, thanks...
I also liked the photo in the article.
"Exposing the real Che Guevara and the useful idiots that idolize him"
Ron Paul 2012 for Peace
Che
was a great man. It's clear the DP is divided over this. A couple of members trying to shout down DP members that recognize Che as a man trying to do what he felt was right, have failed.
just because you feel
just because you feel something is right does nnot make it right.. FEDOR= USEFUL IDIOT.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Che was a murdering....
Bastard!!!!
The ends justify the means? So you think it doesn't matter who we kill to get our message across, it is worth it?
Are you serious??
just because you feel
just because you feel something is right does not mean it is.. wake up.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
che was a great man? you
che was a great man? you have got to be kidding.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
but he was...
Great men have a great impact on their culture and on history. Che Guevara was a great man. Adolph Hitler was a great man. Joe Stalin was a great man. Abe Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt were great men.
I don't consider any of them to have been GOOD men, but they were all great.
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Well, personally when I judge
Well, personally when I judge people I don't just look at intentions, I look at results. Ignorance of basic economic realities is no excuse for the tragedy of communism.
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Hey, I did enjoy "The Motorcycle Diaries."
The movie had a great soundtrack, also.