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Did Campaign For Liberty Give $350,000 to a Neocon?

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I don't usually post here, but I am a regular participant at Ron Paul Forums, as well as being relatively active in real life too.

Having said that, I wanted to point out something that has the other forums all a-buzz: It appears that Campaign For Liberty spent $350,000 on a media buy for a Colorado candidate named Ken Buck, who is endorsed by Michelle Malkin and supports the wars in the Middle East.

We're all over there going WTF?




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We're looking to apply some pressure and we hope some of you will make phone calls to Virginia to make them explain what in the world they were thinking.

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It may not have cost a penny ...

but C4L paid dearly.

In fact, if heads don't roll ...

C4L will not exist in a year ...

at least not as a leader for liberty.

Don't you think

you're over reacting?

absolutely not.

We all know what happened. Some neocon wanted to funnel an unlimited amount of money into an independent expenditure.

And Tate thought, "Hey, what a great way to get our logo some air time ... and it won't even cost a dime."

They whored out campaign for liberty in much the same way all whores act.


I know Ken Buck's not the most ideal candidate, but at least he's challenging the republican party leaders' preferred candidate, Jane Norton, and giving us an alternative to following the instructions to support her passed down to us from above. Doesn't that count for anything?

It matters to me

because war is the deal-breaker issue for me. According to her web page, I agree with her more than I do Buck. Norton mentions supporting the abolition of the Department of Education. Nobody else except Ron Paul even talks about that these days.

She catches a ton of flack from the progressives because she is dead set against federal health care .

There is no liberty candidate in the race, and therefore IMHO the CFL shouldn't be involved.

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What I wonder

is if there were any kickbacks involved.

This is Washington, after all.


To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Did anyone realize Medina is on the C4L board of directors?

For those asking below why Debra Medina is not getting this kind of ad money from C4L, perhaps that is why.



! Did not realize that!

! Did not realize that!

I feel sick

and my head is spinning. I sure hope the truth wins out because I am so weary of BS, I can't stomach it anymore.

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I feel you Quiltings..

...none of us want to made fools of.

$350,000 would have been much better spent

on Debra Medina's run for Governor of Texas. She's pro Constitution, Pro 2nd Amendment, Anti property taxes, totally a rule of law leader. I'm in the same boat here, what gives ? The fact this jakeleg is a prosecutor makes my skin crawl, they are well versed in violating law, while pretending to enforce the law..

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

I am not at all pissed off or speculating anything

I will continue to do what I can do. I trust Ron Paul's judgement, and do not know how the game of politics is played because I am not a politician. I refuse to let the negative energy encompassing this thread to take the place of all we have done so far for this country. We have done a lot and I plan on charging forward regardless.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

You Know, while I'm at it...

...Was a statement ever made as to why RP was endorsing Texas war mongers? Are we to just go on faith on that or are we brushing that under the rug?

I've been married to my beautiful wife for 18 years, we have 4 children together and are very much in love...But if she came home with another man's cologne on her blouse I would not jump to conclusions but I would, at the very least, ask her about it and expect an answer.

This might be a good move..

for advertising for the Campaign for Liberty. No doubt, the C4L website is Anti-war. Republican candidates and their supporters might become familiar with the C4L and change their stance on war. It could happen. I'm really not that surprised, anyhow. Ron Paul is very closely aligned with Republicans and Conservatives, except on the issue of foreign policy...not that that's a bad thing.

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Let's "think"...we'll help promote an anti-war agenda...

by endorsing a pro-war candidate?

Does giving a pass to one person give a pass to others?

I feel this current episode may have its roots in our failure to address our concerns to others who have gotten off message. Accountability and pressure must be applied consistently. If people at the C4L see that others are getting away with getting off of message with no real response from the grassroots other than more support and more money, what's to restrain them? The support we give to those who haven't addressed or are not consistence in regards to foreign policy only makes the issue irrelevant. In a way, this ad reflects C4L responding to the grassroots and acting in an expedient fashion. Without regards to foreign policy, what separates us from the general "TEA" party crowd? I say this because I believe that is who funded this ad.

PS I understand many of you still put a line in the sand in regards to foreign adventures and realize that it is the welfare of the Republican Party.

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Obviously you haven't been solicited

for $$ from the Campaign for Liberty lately.

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I just unsubscribed

to the C4L's email list. I simply went into the last email they sent me and unsubscribed. Small step, big message.

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I'm replying to every email and

solicitation from C4L with a demand for explanation of $$ or support going to any NeoCon, until a satisfactory answer is given -- or until I also unsubscribe if the answer is not satisfactory.

What Is This Issue $350,000 All About..PLEASE EXPLAIN !!

If I Don't Get A Straight Answer From The C4L I Will Be Dropping My Support For Camapaign For Liberty...

I Droopped Out Of The NRA 2 Years Ago Because I Found Them Out To Be A Big Fat FRAUD !!

I will caution to be careful not to be knee jerk about this.

We do not know if this is the truth or not. It may be a viscious rumor to weaken our dear Dr.Paul. The neo cons and the dems are all salivating at Dr.Paul's seat. He has threatened the bankers these past two years. His message has broken through and they need to get rid of him once and for all.

What better way than to spread a rumor not unlike what JPMorgan did in 1910 that caused the run on the banks to 'create' the need for central banking.

People these scum are so predictable.

Yes, I agree, I think John Tate ought to make a statement asap. Somebody ought to alert him of this link because the people have scythes and pitch forks not to mention the bucket of hot tar and a big bag of feathers ready just in case!

I sent our MN chair of C4L this link asking her to look into this and either post here or send an email to me.

Logo Drug Thru Mud

If the 350k came from the moon, the damage is done to the C4L Logo under which we all operate, donate, fight, rally, organize, cohere.

I am keeping an open mind but TRANSPARENCY is needed here if it is needed anyplace. If in fact Ken Buck is a neocon, the C4L logo has suffered a body blow. If there is one thing C4L stands for, it is transparency. Dig the offending blot out and lay it bare before us. Let the truth be known and the preventive measures be debated openly, so that ugly abuse of C4L is avoided in the future. As Ron Paul would say, 'Lay it bare, and let the healing process begin.' No sophistocated semicomprehensible letters please. That will make it worse.

Just the truth. Just the truth.

You said....that strikes a chord with me..

...it's what brought us together..."Just the truth" that's what this movement is built on...that's the one thing we feel and share...without that there are no borders or boundaries and we are no different than ANY other political movement. The cold, hard, honest truth is what brought us together and will make us grow, it's our foundation.

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That is definitely true of the grassroots.


To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

After Reading this

and most of the comments below.....I am sad tonight.
I am 100% Ron Paul....but as i felt during his campaign...the people around him are not 100% RP, they are their to "F" him or gain a hand in their own steps forward to profit.
I am not giving up....but I will tell you this....my money will be more carefully spent.
I hope their is some explanation......and if Rand, Ron, or Carol are reading this......HELLO.....give us some DAMN Answers!!

To my knowledge, Rand hasn't clarified his own controversial...

...statement about supporting a declaration of war in Afghanistan, and I don't know that he is affiliated with C4L, so I don't know that we can expect an explanation from him on this.

I may have missed something....

....but when is C4L going to respond to this atrocity? How can they POSSIBLY anoint a candidate like this with $350K? UnF.......believable!

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We are all waiting for the

We are all waiting for the response.

I thought it was going to come today.

This will stay on the front page until we get a response, at which point, the response will be posted.

They've had enough time. They raised $4 million last year. The $350K buy is nearly 10% of that figure.

I want answers.

The community wants answers.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I'm glad you are going to post it.

This is too interesting to miss.