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Did Campaign For Liberty Give $350,000 to a Neocon?

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I don't usually post here, but I am a regular participant at Ron Paul Forums, as well as being relatively active in real life too.

Having said that, I wanted to point out something that has the other forums all a-buzz: It appears that Campaign For Liberty spent $350,000 on a media buy for a Colorado candidate named Ken Buck, who is endorsed by Michelle Malkin and supports the wars in the Middle East.

We're all over there going WTF?




should get you up to date.

We're looking to apply some pressure and we hope some of you will make phone calls to Virginia to make them explain what in the world they were thinking.

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I have sent this thread link to our Minnesota C4L chair,

Marianne Stebbins, and asked her if she could resolve this by getting us all an answer to this 'rumor' one way or other.

I also asked her how do we contact Mr. Tate if something should come up and we need confirmation on it. What is his contact information?

I trust she will post here or reply to my email.

Do you think a Fed Audit was cheap?

I always thought it was an incredible feat that Ron Paul got the support from so many.

I found it hard to believe it was just a matter of everyone making phone calls to their reps

I'm sure they agreed to sign on if they could tap into the high octaine Ron Paul supporters. They know we are a huge faction and are capable of raising large sums of cash!.

The problem is, they don't know what makes us tick!

I am scheduled to hit a C4L meeting tomorrow and I am going to bring it up....

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this was done to gain even more influence - indeed, getting candidates to submit a survey, then I can sort of see how this is playing out. It seems to be a blunder. But it's even a bigger blunder to think that an organization is going to do 100% of what we like all of the time. Hell, half of you are studying to become a witch priestess or whatever...

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Good Lord!

What in the hell is going on here...first RP is endorsing warmongers and now the CFL is using donations made by anti war folks to support f@cking war mongers??? WTF! I keep trying to let it slide but there's something funky going on here. I have trouble believing That RP is involved in this stupidity but I've been lied to before.


the speculation from Bucks campaign posted below, that Red State is in collusion with C4L....and since we can't get anything out of C4L, we of course have to speculate ourselves.

But the following isn't speculation:


- has a "war" tab (and even an article that calls for Obama to "declare" war on terrorism);

- advertises Horowitz's book on their homepege;

- claims that Buck needed to raise money;

and how nice of Campaign for Liberty to oblige...

Maybe C4L will start a "war" tab next...

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If Debra had $350,000 for ad buys we could take Texas

CFL should fund and support Debra Medina today.



That raises a damn good question...

..what the hell does CFL exist for if not to contribute to liberty candidates...If they're not contributing to the campaigns of Medina, Towne, Harris, etc. what in the Holy F%ckin' hell are they F%ckin doing with the money???

If they're playing the

"only fund them if you think they can win" game, they're playing it with the wrong people's money.

History lesson (snark intended): C4L was started by the left-over donations from supporters of the RON PAUL PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN! We expect to fund some that won't win. It's what we do.

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If they're playing the

"only fund them if you think they can win" game, Ken Buck would be a really odd candidate for them to choose! Jane Norton is currently the presumptive nominee.



I am shocked, saddened, and just puked a little in my mouth...

at this point, CFL will never get a FRN from me ever again.

debra medina

He wont endorse Debra and CFL wont give her money... what are they doing.. whats their plan?

Maybe this is all a test to

Maybe this is all a test to see if we're sheeple

Michael Nystrom's picture

It is indeed a test

It is a test for all of us, as we look inside ourselves and question just what it is we're doing here, and how we're going about it.

At least that is the test for me.

Ultimately, I think the definition of a sheeple is someone who looks into his heart and then ignores what the heart says in order to 'go along and get along.'

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Explanation should hit the wires today

It may not satisfy everyone, but hold your fire, please. (And I have a lot of issues with C4L myself, so don't go jumping on me, please.)

Phil. 4:13

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Explanation from Buck

From http://coloradoindependent.com/46727/ken-buck-campaign-ad-st...

Ken Buck campaign ad stirs up supporters and speculation

By JOHN TOMASIC 1/28/10 2:40 PM

The U.S. Senate campaign for Weld County D.A. Ken Buck reportedly knew nothing of the ad before it aired and even now isn’t sure where the ad is running. “I heard it’s playing on the networks. I think I found that out from the [Denver] Post,” Spokesperson Owen Loftus told the Colorado Independent. “It was made by that 527, so we had no contact before it ran, and we can’t have any contact with them now.”

Loftus said the appearance of the ad was a pleasant surprise in that it dovetailed with a tour Buck has taken around the state recently. “I think it has helped getting Ken’s name out.” The ad might have helped fuel the bump in contributions the campaign has seen in the last couple of weeks, said Loftus.

It has definitely fueled speculation that powerful forces are lining up behind Buck to defeat GOP frontrunner Jane Norton.

The organization behind the ad, Campaign For Liberty, told TPM that the ad is not a strict candidate endorsement, which would violate the law. The ad is intended instead to promote the libertarian/conservative group’s candidate issues surveys. “We want every candidate to answer our surveys. So as soon as another candidate answers our survey, we’ll probably do another ad stating that,” said spokesperson Gary Howard.

At conservative website Rocky Mountain Right, speculation is that the ad may have come out of a national strategizing conference call hosted in November by the Senate Conservatives Fund, founded by RedState’s Erick Erickson and Sen. Jim DeMint. The main point was to decide which U.S. Senate primaries were the most important ones to watch. “The Colorado race was near the top of the list,” writes the RMR blogger.

Soon the Buck campaign was encouraging supporters to send messages to the fund making the case for Buck. Is the Senate Conservatives Fund behind the new Buck ad?

That’s not the only theory. In the comments thread of a Colorado Independent story this week, a Norton supporter offered a preview of the kind of whispering attacks that Buck might come under as his grassroots candidacy builds steam. The commenter suggests the ad was the work of wealthy Colorado gay-rights activist Tim Gill who, the theory goes, is supporting Buck because last year Buck chose to prosecute the murder of transgender Greeley resident Angie Zapata as a hate crime. The prosecution was a victory for the Zapata family and the gay community that rallied around the trial.

Compared to the speculation it’s generating, the campaign ad itself is pretty vanilla. It features a montage of photos running behind a low-tone voiceover that hits on predictably vague strongly worded talking points:

“Career politicians are stealing our liberty and bankrupting our country.”

“[Buck’s] a tough prosecutor who will take on the D.C. insiders.”

This is looking weirder all the time

So...Jim DeMint's group thought of this and a gay rights activist paid for this and someone decided C4L should also randomly be attached to the commercial to garner publicity for its all-important surveys (which aren't even mentioned in the TV ad) and the Buck campaign is pleasantly surprised all of this happened.

Just what we all expected to hear, right?

Michael Nystrom's picture

Sounds like GOP infighting

I don't really want to be a part of that.

Politics as usual.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Neither do I

but how does one avoid it?


Thanks for posting this.

I'm so sick of seeing the

I'm so sick of seeing the junk mail from C4L asking for the same predetermined sums. As if I can't figure out how much I can afford to donate on my own? I thought C4L was going to be a tool that we could use to educate and inform about how to take the republican party back from the neocons. It was my opinion that the best way for most of us to begin this process was to run for Precinct Captain of our local precincts. I just found out the other day that I have until Feb 18 to get down to the County BOE, declare my candidacy and get my petition with 5 valid signatures turned in in order to be on the ballot. Why hasn't the C4L been pushing this?
Control the Central Committee and you control the Central Committee Chair. That's what I consider working from the ground up. I hope others of you out there will help me push this agenda while there is still time.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
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Michael Nystrom's picture

Because I maxed out my contribution to RP in 2008

They think I'm a high roller.

The first check box on my forms is over $7,000!!!


As if.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Michael. That would be too funny.

If it weren't for the fact that C4L should be paying you for your efforts.

Help me get the word out on Central Committee seats before it's too late.


Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

Michael Nystrom's picture

It is a dreadful thought.

It is a dreadful thought.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

John Tate MUST be fired!

John Tate MUST be fired!

Ventura 2012

Is anyone else a little creeped out by John Tate?

That guy asks for donations in I think every email that he sends. And he sends about 2 emails a week.

I did some reading on Ron Paul forums

a lot of disappointed people.

CFL better come up with a really good explanation -
if RJ Harris and Jake Towne got this money they would be surely winning in their campaigns.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Split that money between RJ & Jake

And we could really do some damage to the Establishment.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

And don't forget Medina....

What is the deeelio?