MO Republican lawmakers want drug testing for welfare recipients

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JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) - Republican lawmakers are pushing proposals to require drug testing for welfare recipients.
A Senate committee heard testimony on several bills that
would direct the Department of Social Services to set up a
drug-testing program for work-eligible welfare recipients. The bills would apply only if there is "reasonable cause" to believe people are using illegal drugs.
Recipients who test positive would be ineligible for benefits from Temporary Assistance for Needy Families for one-to-three years.
Similar legislation passed the House last year but died in the Senate.
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one commentby Killpoke:
I'm all for it !!! Whatever it takes to break up the family and further divide the people.
why not,,The Government raises taxes on Tobacco and everything else which directly affect the poor or the addicted. In fact why don't the politicians " out ' the people who fail the test so the person can never get a job and the powers that be can come take the children away, RIGHT !
Oh wait that would mean alot of politicians would look like fools and loose their kids and that would simply be unacceptable , never mind.

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How about

we stop giving out welfare period? If there isn't a welfare program, then there is no need for an invasion of privacy to see if you are eligible.

Now, don't get me wrong, I support the right of all people to do whatever they want to themselves as long as they aren't hurting any one else, but I think that people on welfare should be screened for drugs (ignoring pot), seeing as how they are already wasting a huge amount of our money as it is, we don't need them spending the money on hard drugs, thus driving them ever further into the need for other people's money.

However, should they fail a drug test, they shouldn't be sent to jail. They should have a single appeal followed by a 2-month waiting period before they can apply again. Rehab services could be made available.

Very well said

In a nutshell.

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I want drug testing for ALL

I want drug testing for ALL ELECTED AND APPOINTED PUBLIC SERVANTS, conducted by local authorities selected by random drawing. How can we allow our Criminal Class to be exempt from drug tests?

You'll notice there's never drug tests for executives

and politicians.

Mike

There should be!Have you ever looked close into Pelosi's eyes?

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Yep thats what I thought

She probably has 3 aids just to go get her scrips.

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These test aren't even accurate

I had a positive called in on me once and I KNOW I wasn't doing illegal drugs.

Fortunately, my boss at the time gave me the testing company's phone number and, suddenly, the testing company had no record of calling in a positive test. How often do you think a chance for exoneration comes up with these tests?

Defend Liberty!

It happened to me too

I screwed up and ate a Poppy seed Muffin for breakfast and tested positive for Opiates.I had no problem clearing it up though.

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What we can take from that

is false positives are common. I very, very much doubt the good luck we had with clearing it up is common.

I think companies bloat the positive results so, if they are ever wrong and a druggie wrecks a forklift, they can point to the HUGE pile of positives and say they at least tried.

I used to be a foreman and MOST of my hirings were blocked by drug tests. Do you think HR went through the rigmarole of clearing any of it up?

Defend Liberty!

I get what your saying

It is a sad state we are in as a society,I was just reading in the paper that a large contractor to the army to repair heavy surface equipment,was trying to hire 30 Mechanics for a new location and only 3 could pass the drug test.I don't think they could be this inaccurate.As a Commercial driver and Terminal Maintenance Manager for a very large trucking co.I only saw three positive tests out of thousands,I knew these guys and they were dirty.It was pretty accurate.

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"I had no problem clearing it up though"

...that's what your mind said.

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Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
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Oh quit!

I had no problem clearing it up with work because the same thing happened to my boss once.You are being judgemental while you are reading and it is clouding your interpretation of the text.

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Alrighty then

I feel you're being judgmental by the fact that you want everyone subjected to drug testing.

I doubt you have your drug test "cleared up" unless you've burned down the drug testing facility and doubtful even then. You may currently have it "cleared up" because you've been "absolved" by your current understanding employer. Perhaps your next employer (landlord, creditor) will be as forgiving.

Ever heard "The Lifeboat Question"? We've all been tagged and "recorded" for a very long time. It's only going to get worse. Think about all the crazy-intrusive suggestions made in the health care legislation. I'd rather not have to "appear for body 'inspection'" and have others decide what is appropriate for me.

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Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
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I understand your theory

But in this case,I have had several background checks since,Zip, Nada.It has been cleared.
Good theory though.If you don't know all the facts you can't judge, it is just a theory with no factual basis.
I have a theory also,you came on this morning looking for a fight.mine is seeming to prove it's self.

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No I did not come looking for a fight

I saw your name "ATruepatriot" and assumed you were interested in freedom....so I was hoping to help you see you were hoping to constrain freedom and have the negative effects visited on all of us. But it appears these kinds of laws will be enacted because most people choose security ($$$$'s/jobs) over liberty.

It is no theory that people have been "databased" forever. Just go ask IBM when they started up with keypunch.

IMO, you are very unassuming and lack discernment if you cannot see that our privacy is completely hacked.

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Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
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Yes I

am a True Patriot and would give my life for the Constitution,But at the same time I have some Common sense and can see the reality of our situation in the society we have today,now.This country has no Moral standards as a whole.what do we do with all this evil?
Just kill them?Seriously do have the answer?

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:)

True listen, I bet you're a terrific person and well meaning. I told you I do understand the frustration of "having to keep up junkies" right? And that I don't have the answer right? I'm merely trying to get you to see that "what you focus on expands". If you start out with the "deserving party" taking drug tests, then the "deserving party" gets mad and says it should be equal treatment for all, "just because" is good enough. Then everybody has to do it to make it legit. I'm not falling for that crap anymore.

If you believe we're moving to a "chipped" society, you have to know that every little tid bit of info about you, down to your kindergarten behavior, will be contained on a chip. You have to have foresight and recognize what is coming. If you can imagine it, it's just about (if not already) possible. There are more items you "sign away" when making the contract to apply for a job: your medical records, military, credit etc etc...not just a "general background check" (criminal records and credit score).

To be precise about things, you should be scared of "sins of omission" when it comes to the government. It's not that things cannot be "cleared" - but are they "expunged"? Impossible with the technology of today to EVER be expunged.

We're all "guilty" of something.

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Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

If they want

To waste their time keeping track of me,fine, I have nothing to hide from anyone.But I will not be implanted.
As a holder of a commercial drivers license,I don't mind testing,and we now have to have an FBI background check,the real deal.DHS.
As management,I understand that this is necessary to keep our roads safe,I have seen some things in the wrecking business that confirms the need for this.
It is like saying that Drunk driving laws are getting to harsh,yet if one of your beloved family gets killed by one your feelings WILL change.You are not going to say it is O.K. at least he was free to do this if he wants.

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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Now what would not be Constitutional

Is to deny the right to appeal and retest.

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LOL

What they NEED to do is get tough on these senators and force THEM to take drug tests. ALL government employees should be subjected to it if they want to wage their little war on drugs.

I agree

Yet I don't think it is the war on drugs in this case,It is eligibility to take my money with no return or interest.

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SC has legislation concerning this for unemployment benefits

and "public assistance". Our legislation also carries "penalties" if you fail the drug test.

Here is what I sent out to my repubs concerning our proposed legislation:

I'm totally with y'all that we shouldn't have to pay benefits to "people on drugs" okay? As a taxpayer, I'm no more thrilled than you are. Yet have you considered the cost of said drug test and the surely demanded follow-up rehab...wonder what the price tag for that will be per "offender"?

Here's my "liberty problem" with this bill: I have a right to end my life if I so choose. FLAT OUT. To deny that a person has this "right" (ability) is like trying to deny suicide exists. I have a "right" to end my life little tiny bits at a time, if I'm stupid enough. It is my God given right to "freewill" to choose to do bad or good by myself and my neighbor. Whether you like it or not, you cannot legislate morality or what people put into their own bodies. You may think you can control others but anyone that's ever watched the chocolate cake knows the last piece will surreptitiously disappear despite repeated warnings from Mom that it's set aside for Dad.

What I put into my body is none of your business. Should what I put into my body, therefore "cause" me to commit a crime, there are plenty of statutes to handle my actual crime. It is not criminal to "be on drugs/drunk" unless you commit a crime while under influence such as with something as "small" as trespass/public intox. To assume everyone/anyone is "on drugs" is called "pre-emptive crime" and in this country we are considered innocent until proven guilty BY DUE PROCESS OF LAW, UPON A CRIME HAVING BEEN COMMITTED. --- NOT BEFORE A CRIME IS COMMITTED.

Are you guys seriously going to sit there and tell me that MOST people are NOT on drugs? What kind of drugs you ask? ALL KINDS. And you know it's true: Pharma AND Illegal. Who draws the line? Who has the measuring stick to determine if "your drug of choice" (legal or not) will lead to rejection of benefits AND the incurring of PENALTIES??

What's a drug? Alcohol? Cannabis? Nicotine? Hormones? Steroids? Anti-depressants? Maybe I think you take too much Viagra? What about the FDA trying to make Cheerios classify as a "drug"? Do you really want someone to be able to stalk your "input" levels of any item?

Come on people, quit laying down for everything to "keep you safe". Does it not even bother you that you are handing over your urine to your employer or government? So after all these 30 something years since drug testing started, did you never feel OFFENDED by this invasion? Do you not care that it is essentially coerced consent? How about how after 5 years or so, the drug-testing industry recognized that people could "cheat" their own drug tests so "observers" therefore needed to watch you urinate? --- WHEN IN ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED "INDECENT EXPOSURE" (at the very least in South Carolina)? Where is your dignity?

I also do not agree with employment drug screenings unless the job "demands it"...i.e., you're flying a plane or taking out someone's gallbladder....or how about running the government?

What you guys keep forgetting is that once you agree to this for "the other guy", it will be visited on you in many ways you've never dreamed of. I bet that drug testing will go straight to your "electronic medical records"....what if you throw a false-positive?? (There is a lot of info on line about false positives and it's not just poppy seeds, people.) Do you want a "bad drug test" following you around forever like a horrid credit score? Undoing a bad drug test is about as easy as getting off the no-fly list and you'd better not have an alcohol/drug slur on your medical record or YOU WILL GET DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FOR PAIN RELIEF -- this happens NOW...before the horrid healthcare crap that will obviously insinuate itself more into your "health maintenance".

I do not know what to do about "all the people on drugs" who need/want unemployment benefits or public assistance but what you are talking about here is the use of "force" and in a free-society, there should be no such thing as "force", the Constitution strictly prohibits the use of force, fraud and violence....FOR THESE ARE THE ONLY REAL (True Heart of All) CRIMES!!

*My SC repubs do not like me at all.*

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

Fine or penalties

are wrong,a drug test is now very cheap compared to years of welfare payments for the next three generations.Let their family help them I do not want to.

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So you endorse the use of force?

Interesting

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

No, just like getting a job

you must be eligible to get the job.

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Yes

You endorse the use of force. Period.

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

They have options

We are not forcing them to get welfare,and we are not forcing them to raise generation after generation of welfare Recipients on drugs,they have options if they don't want to test.no one is forcing anything.It would be a requirement for eligibility Don't want to test fine become a productive citizen and find work.
Keep in mind that the only reason their families won't help is because they are on drugs or they probably would.

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Did you miss the part about "due process of law"?

Have you read the Bill of Rights lately? What you are asking for is UN-Constitutional. Does that matter to you or is it all about the $$$$'s?

I commiserate with you about "having to keep up junkies". I totally understand your feelings. However I feel you are not thinking things through completely.

"First they came for the junkies and I wasn't a junkie"? Ring any bells?

Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer