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If Libertarians would join forces with the Freedom of Religion movement, they could sweep the elections for the next 20 years!

I know a lot of people get bent out of shape with the idea, but the fact is - most of people in this country want individual liberty especially when it comes to Freedom of Religion.

Thinking you can win a national referendum by ostracizing 75% of the voters is not only ridiculous - it is political suicide!

Ron Paul believes in Freedom of Religion and if he takes office we don't fear that he will become some kind of religious tyrant. So it is with many.

Wake up and smell the victory folks! If the Liberty movement would join forces with their natural allies in the Freedom of Religion movement, together they could sweep the elections for the next 20 years!

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The problem

isn't with Libertarians. If the Religious Right were down for individual liberty I'm pretty sure the Libertarians would roll with them. Unfortunately, the Religious Right is not down for Individual Liberty. They seek to use the coercive arm of the state to make other people bend to their wills and morals. That's NOT going to change until there is an educational movement TO the Christians to let them know that the Pharisee's were the ones legislating morality and getting rebuked by Christ for it, and that the Religious Right have become nothing more than the Pharisees.

When you have 74% of the American people who claim to be

Christians, labels loose their accuracy thus many erroneous conclusions can be drawn. With that many people you are always going to find a wide range of opinions. However, the one thing they all do agree upon is the need for freedom of religion.

I too

I too think contemporary Liberalism is more of a current natural ally than the Republican/neo cons.....

I'm not sure anybody on this forum is against

Freedom of Religion.

Many have knee jerk reactions to those they feel are prone to FORCE their beliefs (or their NON-beliefs) on others and frankly, that is, of course impossible with rational individuals, so I have never understood the fear.

But even the most passionate posters I don't think are AGAINST Freedom of Religion or Freedom of NON Religion.

Could be that in our responses we aren't making this clear enough. Hmmmmm..... interesting.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!

Try posting a topic on Christainity

and you will see how intolerant many in the Liberty movement really are. Apparently some think the "C" word should be banned from freedom sites like this one!


Too late! :)

This already happened.

To those of you who aren't aware of this and are under the impression that the current Libery Movement was birthed by atheist anarcho-capitalists have a serious history deficiency.

It was the Christian Liberty movement that for more than half a century was basically the ONLY people writing literature and making videos about the coming New World Order, the Illuminati, global governance and yammering on about how groovy the Founding Fathers and small limited government that stayed out of your life were. These resources were found almostly exclusively in christian bookstores.

In the mid-to-late 70's I began scouring around for everything I could read and view on these topics and I can't recall ever finding anything from non-christian sources until perhaps the mid-to-late 90's.

Christian liberty groups and authors began espousing these views well before WW2. The patriot and militia movements of the 90's and the rise of home-schooling were direct culminations of the christian liberty movements.

Some prominent examples of members of this tradition are already among us:

G. Edward Griffin
Chuck Baldwin
Ron Paul :)
Anybody at www.niewswithviews
Alex Jones
Lindsey Williams
many many more...

The "other" christians are too invested in the idea that they must protect Israel at all costs (even though the bible says israel will approve of and submit to the antichrist), incite the return of Jesus through war with Iran and Russia, and finally establish a global christian theocratic government (Palin, Hagee, Robertson, TBN, etc. -- the Dominionists).

We already have this alliance. The christian liberty people already support Ron Paul. The "neocon" christians ain't gonna join us no matter what.


~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

I would have to say

this is true!



~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Interesting perspective

It seems like these two natural allies have somehow lost track of each other and their commonalities.

From the reactions I have gotten on this subject, so many of the liberty people have gotten it in their mind that religious groups are their natural enemies.

Freedom for all means just that - freedom for the liberty minded and the religious minded. And together they could be one big political force to reckon with!

Thanks for your perspective and history!

I think...

the religious and secular components of Ron Paul's support needs to take some time and check each other's histories out in greater detail. We've ended up in the same place from different philosophies and directions.

There is a certain amount of tension between the two groups that would be good and well to toss aside and help with pluralism and presenting a united front as long as we agree on some common goals and principles and for us to quit bickering over the non-important differences.

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

You ever noitice how some people rant and rave about

how they support individual liberty and they would be happy to join forces with "so & so" if they would just come around and "believe exactly like they do". Some want to demand their own liberty, but for some reason can't stand it when others likewise, try to exercise a little freedom of choice themselves!

Paul is already pro religious freedom

You think we should try to "steal" the christian right? It's not a bad idea, even though I don't particularly like it personal.


We don't steal anything and we don't compromise anything

we just recognize our natural allies and join forces to create an unstoppable political force that better represents the will of the people!