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Onward Christian Soldiers, Again by Philip Giraldi

On Christmas Eve I reported about a group of “Christian leaders” who were calling on the US government to initiate harsh sanctions against Iran. Their lobbying contributed to an overwhelming House of Representatives vote (412-12) in support of the Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act, which seeks to cut off Tehran’s importation of refined petroleum products, amounting to 40% of its energy needs, and bring the country’s economy to its knees. The supporters of the House resolution believe that pressuring Iran in that fashion will somehow convince its government to alter its nuclear energy policy.

Others argue, however, that the sanctions will not influence the Iranian government in the least and that the pain experienced as a result will fall most heavily on the Iranian people who will be unable to heat their homes and will likely lose their jobs as the economy contracts. As the sanctions would punish any country that does business with Iran, the risk of blowback on the American economy is chilling. Congressman Ron Paul observed, "Are we to conclude, with this in mind, that China or its major state-owned corporations will be forbidden by this legislation from doing business with the United States? What of our other trading partners who currently do business in Iran’s petroleum sector or insure those who do so? Has anyone seen an estimate of how this sanctions act will affect the US economy if it is actually enforced?" Nevertheless some in Washington apparently would like to think that the sanctions will somehow force the Iranian people to rise up against their rulers, leading to a bloodbath followed by some kind of regime change that would usher in an era of democracy and freedom.

Not content with their victory in the House of Representatives, the Christian leaders did it again, urging the Senate to follow the House’s lead. On January 26th, they sent a letter to the leaders of the Senate demanding passage of “tough sanctions on Iran to prevent that terrorist sponsoring regime from obtaining nuclear weapons.” The Senate obliged two days later, passing the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act overwhelmingly on a voice vote. The first signature on the Christian leaders’ letter was that of Pat Robertson, who recently stated that the Haitian people are being punished by God because they made a pact with the devil back in 1804. Other prominent signatories are Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, and John Hagee of Christians United for Israel who once insisted "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God" when hurricane Katrina hit. There are forty-two other signatories, mostly evangelical Christians with a sprinkling of Catholics, and also including some who have no apparent religious affiliation at all.

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....there is a broader question, which is to what extent people who call themselves Christians should be rejecting restraint and negotiation while advocating policies that will certainly result in suffering and quite likely will lead to war. It is not necessary to be a pacifist to be a Christian, but neither should Christians be cheerleaders for war. Christ’s teachings are clear. In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.” Later in the Gospel of Matthew in the Garden of Gethsemane he warned his disciples that “all who draw the sword will die by the sword.” Christ also told his followers “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies…”

I do not know what the positions of the various Christian leaders who signed the letter were on the issue of Iraq in 2002-3. I rather suspect that most supported sanctions, which killed half a million Iraqi children and that were dismissed by Secretary of State Madeline Albright as being “worth it.” I would also guess that most fully supported the subsequent US led invasion of a country which did not threaten the United States in any way.

I challenge Pat Robertson, Richard Land, and John Hagee to identify for me a part of the New Testament that justifies in any way punishing people because of what they might do. Or that approves of preemptive war. If Christ were to return to the earth today one might reasonably ask whether he would recognize those who preach in his name who have apparently abandoned the historic and deeply held Christian traditions of peace and reconciliation and instead are advocating a course that could well lead to war.

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I doubt

that their letter of "demand" was the reason the house or the senate passed anything. Think about it...very few of any other "demands" by the same group of so called Christian leaders have been taken seriously (marriage laws, abortion, etc.)and acted upon so firmly and swiftly. I'm sure they wrote the letter...but I'm as also convinced that it had very little influence on anything passed in our senate or house. Washington is setting aims on Iran alright...but not as a result of pressures from any feared "Christian leaders". LOL

this is disturbing--

of course . . .

to people who are 'trying to be Christian'--

I like that.

The 'trying to be' part.

I believe these people are hardened and immoveable. And I agree that we need to pray. I also believe that 'true' Christians or 'trying to be' Christians are the ones who will be punished.

I also believe that Congress accepts these people, because these horrific views go along with AIPAC--

*big, heavy sigh*

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I would say about 20% of confessed Christians are actually

Christians, based on actions, not words. I believe in God and Jesus, but don't profess myself to be a Christian because I don't always live like one. I say I am a trying Christian.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

It has been well said there is a 80/20 spectrum

I would only differ with you in the not-so-subtle differences between 'confessed", and "professed" believers in your title.

Confession is intrinsic, it's about who we are on the inside. Profession is shallow and surface if it is connected with pretended core values by a habitual pattern of false actions.

Tog, simply go again to the Gospel of John, (in the KJV translation if you can find one), and humbly follow what you read there to its inspired, (and preserved), goal.

Once you've laid that Foundation, humbly read on about how to best build on it.

I believe that we can be all we were created to be, and do all we were uniquely designed to fulfill, once we recognize the Lord Jesus Christ to fully be all that His written record says He is, and then simply live accordingly.

There are about 80 percent who only profess, and don't "get" that it is to their bad, not Gods', when they continually fail to find the grace (strength) to do as they ought, by being too proud to receive it.

"God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." James 4:6b

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

What must be understood

about these people like Pat Robertson and John Hagee, is that they are sold out.
They are televangelist charlatans who worship money.

It's easy to see that they promote the Israel agenda, and are simply tools for that.

Basially, these aren't "Christian leaders"
They are "apostate" leaders who are operating their own agenda, and leading a flock of basically ignorant people who have joined their apostate bandwagon.

It's akin to somebody like Lindsay Graham saying he's a "Ron Paul Republican"
The concept is simply ludicrous.
They can "declare" something, but that doesn't make it so.
The "representatives" who are voting for these bills are neocons who already wanted to vote for them, and the supposed "support" from "fake Christian leaders" just gives them a cover story.
They are working together as partners in crime.

Visions of Armageddon: Neo-cons Hoping for WWIII

* These pro war Christians are using religion as a tool to manipulate the masses for their own profit but also for what they see as a fulfillment of prophecy.

Visions of Armageddon Neo-cons Hoping for WWIII
Certain fundamental Christian groups who believe that there must be a third world war (a.k.a. Armageddon) which starts in Israel in order for prophecies to be fulfilled so that Christ will come again. These groups are actively supporting U.S. and Israel's hawk-like conservatives and strongly oppose an independent state for the Palestinians. They are actually hoping for WWIII to come soon!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

They may think that,

but no serious Christian thinks that some man-made effort to "speed up" the occurrence of such a war can possibly be done. Man doesn't set the timetable.

That's the product of a warped mind, not a Christian.
These televangelists are not versed in actual doctrine.
They are making shit up.

What happens out of this is that all real Christians are tarred with the crap that these assholes dish out.

And believe me, that is part of the scheme.

The "real Christians" should object more vocally, then

To be honest, as a non-Christian, many "good Christians" stil cannot discern between fact and belief, nor understand that when dealing here on earth with other live humans, they must stick to facts to be able to come to agreement. Now, sometimes folks can just agree to disagree, or they can fight to the death if it means enough to them, but if they WANT to agree, if they WANT common ground, they must keep their beliefs in their hearts and let their beliefs guide their actions, but let facts be the basis for their interactions with other people.
Interesting that the churches managed to destroy the meaning of the word "truth" long before 9-11 came along. Now I try to encourage people to look fro truth, they all think I am "born again." It is more than a little sad.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

If Truth is not followed as an absolute, everything's relative

"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me." John 14:23 & 24

The connection, or disconnection, that someone lives out by the measure of His words, was and is the watershed divider that Jesus said His Father gave to discern the difference between Who people say that they love, and Who they do not.

Sadly, there are a lot of theologically misinformed subscribers to an eclectic faith that picks and chooses among His words to make "truth" fit their own purposes.

The Father calls that hatred of Him.

Gladly, there is a test for finding true fellowship here. Just watch for the priority His word has above their own opinions. If the Fathers' love and manifest presence are at home in them, then you will be with them too, if that's true of you.

You wrote,"the churches managed to destroy the meaning of the word 'truth' long before 9-11 came along". It would seem that way if it were possible, but truth is indestructible and absolute.

It is the eclectic faith subscribers who recklessly undermine true faiths' credibility in the marketplace of ideas.

True believers end up suffering by nonbelievers not being able to discern the difference between us. Even worse, we face the wrath of those who we unfavorable expose to be false, simply by living out our faith in contrast to what they are doing.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

I know, Big T and Libera...

sometimes I just post stuff in a way for those that dont know ..ya know?

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

My bad

See below concerning the Values Voter Debates.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Agreed!

And it is not accidental, either! That was a big problem with the Values Voters Debate. (Along with others)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Ha!

From the article; "I challenge Pat Robertson, Richard Land, and John Hagee to identify for me a part of the New Testament that justifies in any way punishing people because of what they might do. Or that approves of preemptive war."

I had a email exchange with one of these so called Christian leaders who ran for President 8 years ago. He runs a Christian website and his name was on the letter that was sent to Bush suggesting he attack Iraq.

When I wrote him about his views, he actually said; "I want to kill them before they kill us, what do you want?"

When I replied and asked him for a Bible verse that justifies this point of view, he wrote back saying; "This conversation is over."

These people are dangerous because of their influence and my goal is to expose them.

Thanks for posting Liberty Belle!

Author of Buy Gold and Silver Safely
Next book: Illusions of Wealth - due out soon
Also writing book We the Serfs!

We must pray much more often.

We must pray much more often, because this era is coming to an end. We must call on the angels to help us and we must be grateful for this help.
Prayer and sacrifice can be the deliverance for this condemned world. We must openly admit all our shortcomings to all whom we have slighted. After we have done this, we must renew our spiritual life. Our pride should change into modesty and humility, our lying into honesty, our slander into devotion and love for our neighbors. We must use all our power for the community to which we have been chosen. Then peace shall reign in our hearts and our families. And when sometimes we give something to benefit our neighbor, let not our right hand know what our left hand is doing, so that a flood of grace will descend on us to benefit the health of our souls.
We should also know that we stand on the edge of the valley of tears.
Much trust, faith and prayer will be asked from us. We must pray much within the family circle.

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

These people need to be

These people need to be educated.. all they see are the douche bags like couric and others banging the one world government drum.. The national nightly news is our biggest enemy.

“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul

A race for education

before the ignorance and false divisions perpetrated by the media on behalf of the ruling elite bring us to destruction!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Wow, that doesn't sound

Christian to be pushing for war.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Wrapped in the Flag and Carrying a Cross

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." ~Sinclair Lewis 1935

We have all the symptoms: extreme nationalism (you're either with us or against us), the disdain of human rights, unprecedented secrecy, military supremacy over domestic needs, fraudulent elections, suppression of labor power and the protection and strengthening of corporate power, using religion to manipulate public opinion, controlled mass media, the use of torture ..

and the list goes on.

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Does anyone take them seriously anymore?

PR's Haiti comment even turned off zombie voters.

Yes

The Family is still very influential. Of course, personal threats go a long way with the weak minded.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Yes, sadly, Congress takes them seriously

"Not content with their victory in the House of Representatives, the Christian leaders did it again, urging the Senate to follow the House’s lead. On January 26th, they sent a letter to the leaders of the Senate demanding passage of “tough sanctions on Iran to prevent that terrorist sponsoring regime from obtaining nuclear weapons.” The Senate obliged two days later, passing the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act overwhelmingly on a voice vote."

* Of course promoting wars could have something to do with: 151 members of Congress invested in DOD contracts
In 2006, the investment portfolios of 151 current members—more than a quarter of Congress—had between $78.7 million and $195.5 million invested in companies that received major defense contracts (over $5 million). The portfolios include holdings in companies paid billions of dollars each month to support America’s military.
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/14-congr...

WAR IS A RACKET!! ~General Smedley Butler

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd