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Should DP'ers mount an aggressive outreach to disillusioned Dems?
Submitted by Wild-Blue on Fri, 02/05/2010 - 17:23
Right on the heels of the Vegas flap comes this.... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/35260036#35260036 both of which come after this.... http://rawstory.com/2009/2009/11/forty-percent-dems-probably... Belle? photoshopwiz? any ideas? |
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I've also had success by
passing out copies of "America: Freedom To Fascism" to Dems. You don't even have to get into left/right politics. Plus RP makes an appearance as a good guy.
If they're brainwashed by TV, open them up to info about the media first (I've posted a few links on the Weekend Watching thread). People's trust in MSM can be a big roadblock in waking people up ("if what you say is true, why doesn't the news report it?") Dems hate Fox News, so I might use the documentary 'OutFoxed' for starters, then wake them up to CNN and MSM in general later.
I've also had threads about vaccines and forced vaccinations, and then would tag RP youtube videos on the subject somewhere into the mix. Health freedom, marijuana, the war on drugs, etc. These are some examples of "liberal" subjects you can focus on to which you can later mention RP's stance.
More recently, because I believe we don't have so much time anymore, I've been a bit rougher in dealing out the info and will sometimes shock them awake. Actually I'm using the elite's own tactic to beat them - 'problem-reaction-solution' (the Hegelian Dialectic). Though the solution I provide might be a little different from the elite's ;-)
we are the Remnant
how about first
healing the wounds here - between CFL and grassroots.
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well put...
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this is my idea - but it's more oldschool grassroots....
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/124124
that is cool!
that would make a huge impact... It is amazing to me the number of people I run into who still do not know who Ron Paul is... even now...
thanks!
just me with 1,000 or so cards. I'm going to get some friends and hopefully get that highway sign up too. If anyone wants to meetUp there I would love it!
Neo-cons already are ---
via the NATIONAL Tea Party Movement. The key word is NATIONAL. It's not fringe or grassroots anymore. It's being over-run & becoming full of beaurocrats. There are now appointed "leaders" in this movement when it normally is just We The People organizing grassroots events. There was a segment right after Ron Paul's on Fox Business (hmmm - riding coattails??) interviewing the so-called "leaders" of the Tea Party movement. It was a huge spectacle with Palin scheduled to give a speech tomorrow. Both "leaders" said Republicans & Democrats were participating. Republicrats. Looked like a staged presentation brought to you by Big Pharma.
Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica
yes but...
I suspect that most Dems. are very suspicious of the Tea Party especially since Palin, Beck and now Perry have added their endorsements....
I just watched Dr. Paul's interview with Maddow regarding Graham and he kept referring to the movement as "anti-establishment" which I have also read elsewhere recently...
Do you think this term is more palatable than either tea party or libertarian to those now disenchanted with Obama? Could we resurrect the old hippy movement?
Anti-establishment is good -
lol if a littly hippyish but maybe that's what we need. Those folks got shit DONE!
Obviously we need to change the name. Let them have our old, stale idea. We can adapt & change. Maybe the R3VOLutionary Movement?
Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica
Absa-freakn-lutly
Lets get them to cross lines and vote for Medina!
We need to continue to reach out to everyone
I agree, and we need to continue to reach out to everyone
I think most of us have been reaching out to inform people, but I know I can do more. Especially with all the propaganda in the MSM.
Also keep in mind that we would need to focus the message to civil liberty, foreign policy, and sound money as the Daily Paul is a very diverse group and we don't have one message per say, other than the liberty message that Ron Paul presented and the message that brought us together.
Please do not misunderstand me, as I encourage everyone to debate and voice anything they feel strongly about. It is healthy IMO to engage and debate and have your view challenged.
If you are implying mounting a more aggressive information campaign, that is a good idea as the mainstream media is perverting the Liberty movement in a lot of ways. Maybe any press is good and we can be the voice to put the core issues of liberty in focus emphasizing a smaller more transparent government, non intervention, and sound money to everyone.
A few points points I think are good:
Tea Parties: --mention that the tea party main issue is less taxes and less gvmt spending, and I like to remind friends that none of the true tea party people can afford attending a $500.00 event like the Palin event. I am not a hater of Palin but I think the only reason she is relative is Main Stream Media, and the controlling interest behind them (i don't know exactly why, but they have an agenda for her). It is obvious ALL of them in the MSM want me to think she is relative. She may have done some admirable things in Alaska, so I hear, but she does not deserve IMO the name recognition that she has.
Democrats --Most are against war, and the non-intervention message gets through. I know a lot of Dems that tell me they would vote for Ron Paul. Of course most realize that as President the only thing he could do immediately is command the troops.
NeoCons --they typically do not like nation building (the sheep voters that is), and most disagree with policing the world when put into perspective. I use the example that if we don't want a nation to do this or have that, is it America's job to police everything ...the entire globe? I emphasize that doing so usually backfires (I start with Iran blowback from the 50s onto how the pepple we fight in Afghanistan today sprung from the group we called freedom fighters in the 80s), also policing the world could bankrupt the nation.
Everyone --We are not a Democracy but a Republic or Democratic Republic, or emphasize that 51% cannot force something on the other 49%.
It is important IMO to find common ground and have empathy with who you debate. You might even learn something, and you always learn how to more effectively present your message.
I am just brainstorming and these are just some ideas that hit me.
I think a lot of people are getting the message out and that is why first Beck (he even had a Nov 5th party), and now Palin are a result of our efforts. It is up to us to talk to these people as people can be woken up.
I have to admit that I was a blind straight-ticket Republican (that hurts to admit LOL) before I got Ron Paul's message in 2007. I am currently an Independent, but will switch to R if necessary to vote in primary. I not in line with people in my area taking over the GOP (they are making progress). I support the liberty movement and I am very vocal.
I spread the message with passion, and have learned so much about economics and foreign policy from this movement and Austrian economics. I know the problem is corporatism (business partnered with big gvmt) not capitalism, and for me that is a good angle too, especially with conservatives.
I encourage everyone to keep the message alive, and I recommend if you get too far off the topic or into the really fringe issues, mention these are your views. Well I always qualify my views, as everything I communicate is my view, but when my views overlap Ron Paul and what I consider the issues that solidify the movement I point that out. In other words remember we are a very diverse group. I think that diversity is helpful.
Great thoughts...
One thing I would like to add, as you mentioned you are an Independent, we need to start actively registering people as Republicans for the primary elections. I remember during the last presidential election there were many people who agreed with Dr. Paul and his message, but since they were not registered Republican, they were unable to vote for him. This is true in many states.
I think at some time in the future when Dr. Paul joins the 2012 Presidential race, we need to do a Register Republican Bomb, or something to that effect, for all of those Democrats and Independents that agree with Dr. Paul.
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Good Point!
I always though NC required R to vote in R primaries, but seems I read that as an unaffiliated voter, I can choose one ticket or the other come primary time.
Here is an article
I do need to double check, but either way if Ron Paul runs I'll switch back to to be in the party with him and go to local meetings.
There was an effort in the 2007/08 primary, and a lot of Dems did switch to vote for Ron Paul.
Sadly, I know a few Republicans that did not even vote in the primary because they forgot (!) or felt like he could not win. If everyone that said he did not have a chance of winning and/or everyone that did not vote would have, I think Ron Paul would be President right now, so I am not giving up. Exit polls are also important, but that is another topic (accuracy of voting machines).
I suppose I need to be more involved locally as far as local primaries and politics, but I am very vocal about our movement. I find even wearing a Ron Paul T-Shirt can lead to a conversation in the grocery store, so I keep some literature on hand.
I have been doing some dialing for national candidates and a lot of people like the Liberty candidates, even when they had never heard of them. Some really catch on and say they will check the website or youtube video (I am sure only a fraction that catch on follow through so it is a numbers game), but emphasizing the primary is sometimes hard to get across (you think you got the primary across only to realize you have not). I have called people that agreed, sounded excited, and they left the call implying that no matter what happens they will be supporting the Republican candidate.
I am getting better at emphasizing the primary, as I am calling Republicans voters right now for 2010 primaries (out of my state), and seems the hook is to convince them that they really need to look into this candidate emphasizing they are the one that can beat the Democrat. It is subjective and you get better with what to emphasize with every call.
I hate partisan politics, but it is ingrained in most people. After all I was a straight ticket voter that never went to primaries before Dr. Paul's primary, so I can empathize. As you know the primary is the key.
In some states the Dems do not have to switch, and there are a lot of disgruntle Dems that voted for Obaaaaaahma and now want real change, especially on the war issue. There are other former Dems that did switch to vote for Dr. Paul, so getting the message to everyone is key.
nahhh
I think in most states Indy's can vote a mixed ticket... just get them hooked on Liberty!
These were the states in 2008...
There might be more or less for 2012:
•Arizona - Closed PPE
•California - Primary
•Connecticut - Closed Primary
•Delaware - Closed Primary
•District of Columbia - Primary
•Florida - Closed Primary
•Kentucky - Closed Primary
•Maryland - Closed Primary
•Massachusetts - Semi-Closed Primary
•Nebraska - Primary
•New Jersey - Primary
•New Mexico - Republican Primary
•New York - Closed Primary
•North Carolina - Primary
•Oklahoma - Closed Primary
•Oregon - Closed Primary
•Pennsylvania - Closed Primary
•Rhode Island - Primary
•South Dakota - Closed Primary
•Utah - Closed Primary
•West Virginia - Closed Primary
Ron Paul 2012 for Peace
I agree...
with most everything... not sure I buy into Beck's 'conversion' tho, don't trust that one iota... or Sarah's either... both have said that they don't agree with Dr. Paul on everything and we all know what part 'everything' refers to...
I know what you mean.
I don't trust him either. I really think that Palin, Beck, and other noe-cons are trying to capitalize on the grassroots efforts. (It's obvious with the T-party, but he had a Nov 5th march LOL). While I am not embracing it, I am trying to bring it into focus to people I know and on various blogs.
Ron Paul also raised over 4 million as most know on nov 5 (guy fawkes money bomb ...the first moneybomb).
I think if the grassroots stay involved we can help educate the people that are rallying about Liberty. I always mention the first Tea Party in Boston, and the second, or the first recent Tea Party was where Ron Paul broke 6 million with lots of small donations from grass-root support and got more money from the military than any candidate. I know the Tea Parties have morphed, but I am hoping we can spread the message to these people and overcome the usual mainstream bias. That is overcome where the MSM manipulates people into thinking a candidate can't win so why bother wasting your vote mentality.
In the words of Aaron Russo -- "It's time to stop being good Democrats and good Republicans, and start being good Americans"
well here's one place to start
http://www.care2.com/
You're not allowed in BigT...lol, j/k, but there are millions of tree huggers and animal rights advocates in there...
You might want to shoot for the libertarians first
It is the "Christian nation" thing. Can you let that go and try believing that non-Christians can be moral people?
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
lmao....
I write to Christians because I speak that language... I am targeting those trapped in the neo-con mindset because I do not believe that aggressive war is a Christian tenet. I know what to say and how to say it to those people cause I used to be there and I don't want to see them led over a cliff or the rest of us along with them... I believe if I can change they can too and even 1 would be worth the effort....
and I do happen to believe that you are a moral person p-4, except for the times when you lapse into your personal prejudices.... :)
Why not! Even Bobby Jindal's doing it!
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010...
Seriously, we should be reaching out to voters
that identify themselves as Democrats. We can garner support on an issue by issue basis.
how do we get them past the
obstacle that we are so aligned with the Republican Party?
Well, if we can get past the obstacle
that they are aligned with the Democrat Party, then they should be able to get past that we have candidates in the Republican Party.
If they can't, then they're not convertible.
And my assessment is that 99% of them are idealogically opposed to freedom. For the most part, they are disenchanted with Obama because he's not enough of a power-statist for them.
But there's always that 1% that you can go after if you want.
I posted on this subject
on a thread by Fedor but couldn't find it anymore on a search. Members here who are still heavily in the false left/right paradigm disrupted the discussion. I currently live in a heavy Dem area and would not suggest approaching them from a Republican angle. To most Dems, Repubs are the evil enemy. Period.
For a less ambitious solution than the one I posted on Fedor's thread, when dealing with Dems I explain that RP is forced to run as a Repub and that he had a campaign to support third party candidates rather than Repub/Dems. I also mention that he's often questioned by Repubs regarding whether he is really a Republican, and that he was banned from speaking at the GOP convention. And also that neocons don't like him. It smoothes things over a bit to where they will at least consider RP's views.
we are the Remnant
Tell them the truth...
That the Republican party is trying SO HARD to round us up, but we're just as disgusted with them as we are with Obama.
Point out that we were the ones screaming that Bush sucked too.
Find a common ground.
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That is so true, Devon.
So many comments on sites, say well why didn't people complain about bush. Heck, we were screaming about bush, but they think no one was, this is our challenge.
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I watch MSNBC forums a lot.
That is the biggest Dem/Liberal rant.. where were you when Bush did his _________ (fill in an atrocity here).
I always answer with "screaming NO at the top of my lungs! Now Obama is doing the same thing, so are you with me brothers and sisters?"
It shuts down an argument and gets them talking.
That's why it is so critical that the Tea Party movement not have a leader.
It HAS to be ~We The People~ or it will die.
Although it IS nice to have someone with us to give an opinion or two... Ron Paul comes to mind...
:)
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I have to honestly say
that I was still in denial... I can remember agreeing with Huckabee (shudders) during the debates... It wasn't till Bush started bailing out his rich buddies and I learned about Haliburton in Iraq that the scales started dropping off...
but my argument is that now many "liberals" are still in denial while Obama carries on with the corpora-political agenda...