Cancel Your Social Security, and free yourself of the System

Because of identity theft, it is increasingly easy to refuse to give a SS # and the party who you refuse will probably have other options and you won't be the first to do so.

In California, the Universities used to use the SS # as a student ID. I think it's now illegal to do so.

I'm very lucky to have a unique name (I think), so I don't have the problem of proving which John Williams I am, but I would try never to give the SS # unless absolutely worthwhile.

I toyed with posting my SS # online hoping other people would contribute to my "account" (yes, I know it doesn't exist, but figure it can't hurt to have other people pay toward it on my behalf).

Someone should start a private business of providing identity tracking services to consumers who want to ID themeselves selectively, while preserving their privacy, and as a service to lenders and retailers, etc.

I also want to add (and this will surprise those who dont read law) that EVEN the PATRIOT ACT is NOT unconstitutional, once you actually read ALL of the codified sections...the way it is portrayed, and perceived makes it APPEAR to be unconstitutional:

for example, (long example) if the U.S. Govt. had a new law called the
MY GOD ACT (Making Your Government Overt Demons Act)
(you will notice that the "USAPATRIOT ACT" is an akronym for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism")
That says:
Section 1;
No US Person may attend church without first receiving a license from the United States.
Section 2;
Any person who attends church without receiving a license shall be punished by 10 years in prison and a 25,000 dollar fine.

This law would seem completely unconstitutional at first sight, BUT when you read the entire code you will see things such as: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div...

For Section 1

U.S. person means a person who is a lawful permanent resident as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3). It also means any corporation, business association, partnership, society, trust, or any other entity, organization or group that is incorporated to do business in the United States. It also includes any governmental (federal, state or local) entity. It does not include any foreign person as defined in §120.16 of this part.

(so of course we need to see what 8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(20)
well, heres what it says:

(20) The term “lawfully admitted for permanent residence” means the status of having been lawfully accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States as an immigrant in accordance with the immigration laws, such status not having changed.

and just to be sure, lets check 1324(b)(a)(3)

(3) “Protected individual” defined
As used in paragraph (1), the term “protected individual” means an individual who—
(A) is a citizen or national of the United States, or
(B) is an alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence, is granted the status of an alien lawfully admitted for temporary residence under section 1160 (a) or 1255a (a)(1) of this title, is admitted as a refugee under section 1157 of this title, or is granted asylum under section 1158 of this title; but does not include
(i) an alien who fails to apply for naturalization within six months of the date the alien first becomes eligible (by virtue of period of lawful permanent residence) to apply for naturalization or, if later, within six months after November 6, 1986, and
(ii) an alien who has applied on a timely basis, but has not been naturalized as a citizen within 2 years after the date of the application, unless the alien can establish that the alien is actively pursuing naturalization, except that time consumed in the Service’s processing the application shall not be counted toward the 2-year period.

THEN we have to know what a "citizen of the United States", or a "national of the United States" is (NOT to be confused with a "national")

see:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08/usc_sec_08_000014...

"The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;..."

how is the "United States" defined for this section?

PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION HERE!!!

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08/usc_sec_08_000011...

(38) The term “United States”, except as otherwise specifically herein provided, when used in a geographical sense, means the continental United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

seems ok, BUT then they HIDE a definition of "continental United States"...
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title08/8-1.0.1.2.19.html#8:1.0...

(f) The term continental United States means the District of Columbia and the several States, except Alaska and Hawaii.

and of course "State":
(36) The term “State” includes the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

ALL OF THIS is called OBFUSCATION, it is a trick to make you spend hours dancing around different sections of code, or take the easy route and simply accept some clerks word.

For Section 2 "Person" includes any officer of the Judicial branch.
For Section 1 "church" includes and federally established religious service.

and so on....point being, when you dissect these codes, you will see that the federal govt. is limited in their reach, to federal territories and possessions.

This is why, in cases where the feds. do have reach, such as highways, the terms are defined differently.
see:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode23/usc_sec_23_000001...
(32) State.— The term “State” means any of the 50 States, the District of Columbia, or Puerto Rico.

or:

(5) State
(A) In general
The term “State” means—
(i) any of the 50 States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands,

or:

§ 349. "State" defined

The term "State" means the States of the Union, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands.

You have been tricked, and your laziness and fear keep the trick alive!

http://sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/WhyANational.pdf

i can't go to school without a social security number.

The account (strawman) exist even if you turn in your card. They use your earnings potiental to invest in the stock market. Wether you actually take benefits or not, you still "have benefits", therfore are considered invested (enslaved) into the system.

So turning in your card, or voicing your uncooperation doesn't matter. The accout itself makes you a bond slave under the government.

Allowing people to opt out of SS is the most revolutionary thing anybody can advocate, because it would truly FREE the people. That, and the finacial costs that government would lose with all of their ill-gotten investments... is why they will NEVER let anyone opt out and regain their personal liberty and freedom.

Or expect to draw "benefits" later? It's like a drivers license; I have one not for driving but for all the other crap.

my SS#, however, I'm in my late 40's and have been paying into SS for ore than 30 years. I'm presently in a catch 22. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I were to opt out of SS today, I would relinquish any and all future benefits. I'm essentially stuck. I have to continue paying into a presently bankrupt system, knowing full well there will be no pot of FRN's at the end of the rainbow. It's truly a sad, sad situation.

Of course in nearly every way I agree with you -- at least in terms of the end-run; meaning in a "free-society" we do not need I.D.

However, the advice you are giving is very tricky -- even the basic phone calls are tricky.

What you are not explaining is the level of hassle there is involved once you go the "sovereignty route" and you no longer have I.D in a corporatist society.

It would take 50,000,000 people to effect a dynamic change through the Sovereignty Movement -- until then the less than 10,000 people who have done this will be towing the line for a long time.

I train law enforcement and military in defensive tactics, conscious-sleep, and tension mastery.

I can produce the cops (if necessary) to show that the sovereign argument will not stop an arrest, an impounding of the car, and that the actions will be supported by the court.

You case gets weaker with "stronger" branches of gov't -- DEA, CIA, Homeland Security, FBI; and all can site the Patriot Act if need be. You will get punked and arrested if your "beef" takes you to that level.

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