The Southern Avenger: Terrorism, Liberal and Conservative

I like your spirit, but I think you have watched too much Hollywood WW2 propaganda. It was really good, and most of us have believed it at one point or another.

I think you are struggling with facts on most of your posts on this topic. The quote you mention was probably Marshall Ferdinand Foch about the WW1 Treaty of Versailles which was something like: This is not peace. It is a truce for 20 years.

As to the US being necessary to win the war, that is really incorrect. Take a look at a map of the world at the time. Color the German Empire at the start one color, the Soviet Empire (successor state to the Russian empire which had been expanding for centuries and was about 16%+ of the world) another color, and the British EMPIRE (well over 20% of the world also with centuries of conquest under its belt)a third color. Or if you want to have it not look quite so bad, color Germany at its peak attacking both. Then, look up war production stats. Overwhelmingly in favor of Britain and USSR even without the US industrial might which obviously put it over the top in a big way. Plus with extremely rare exceptions German military equipment was no a match for Soviet, British, or American hardware. Like Germans adapting Soviet gas systems for rifles and captured American tank engines when they could get them. It happened over and over. Any thoughtful analysis can see Germany never had a chance. The real war was Germany/USSR on the eastern front and was something like 90% of the casualties etc. US casualties were something like 1%. Now, fighting USSR alone, might have had a chance to survive as a weak but larger country, because the USSR had purged(executed) most of its good officers not that long before the war. However, to say that USA saved the world from its say 3rd to 5th worst mass murderer by helping its first or second worst mass murderer is short sighted.

Also, it does not take a lot of deep thought to realize that Japan was a mountainous island nation, 80% covered by forests, surrounded by dozens of carrier task forces. Nothing was getting on or off. It was utterly starving. And actually considering the ruined state of the country, the three days between the two bombs was way too soon for an assesment of the damage to Hiroshima to have truly been taken into account before Nagasaki. The fact that surrender took some time probably had more to do with the ludicrous unconditional surrender requirement. As Eisenhower himself said about Axis resistance something like, if choosing to face a hangman's noose or charge a bayonet line, you might as well charge the bayonet line.

Even if we want to pretend that the atomic bombs saved US lives that would not have needed to be thrown away, it may have cost more. Why? We need to look at the history of Russia. When many people in Russia had access to guns, they always rebelled. (One reason the founders wanted an armed populace - a despotic state always wants to restrict weapons to civilians).

So, after the Napoleonic wars, resistance grew up in Russia and ultimately led to some reforms after the failed Decembrist revolt. Then after many had weapons from the Crimean War, serfdom was eliminated. Again after WW1, revolts sprung up, unfortunately this time the Bolsheviks won. (Interestingly enough, during this time, there were thousands of foreign Allied troops, Japanese, American, British, French etc. occupying parts of Russia)

At the end of WW2, revolutions began to spring up against Stalin, but they quietly disappeared after the atomic bombs were dropped. Could these people have feared that only the Kremlin stood between them and another American invasion? Who knows, but how many millions had to die because communism did not come to an end in USSR in 1945-46, and spread throughout much of the world shortly thereafter?

So it is likely not war as a defense of one's home that anybody objects to, it is the unintended consequences that the imperial mindset brings. The simple fact is that Americans as a whole think not like the Founders of our country, but like those who the founders were fighting.

Note: while many of these things are summarized in Richard Maybury's good little book written especially for homeschoolers called WW2: The Rest of the Story, I have put together many of his facts from other sources and others as well. I highly recommend it.