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Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

All the papers, reports and videos you need to debunk the common conspiracy theories about 911.

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Oh Really?

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I am here to educate
Submitted by Poptech on Wed, 02/17/2010 - 00:38.
I am not here for the true believers who knee-jerk defend irrationality but rather for those who think rationally.
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Without using the debunked debunkers like PM, Snopes, Wikipedia, etc., please answer a few questions:

#1 Where are the flight recorders?

#2 How did Bush see the first plane crash on live
camera?

#3 Why was security meeting scheduled for
9/11 cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?

#4 Why did none of the 19 hijackers appear on the
passenger lists?

#5 Where did the photos of all 19 hijackers come
from, and how were they able to identify all 19 in less than two days?

By some miracle, if you can answer these I have many more.

Good Luck

Ya know what-

I'm going to take this weekend off of all the brainwashed 9/11 debunkers bullshit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debunker for those of you wondering what the hell a "debunker" is.

911

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT 911 IF YOU HAD A CREW TRYING TO BRING DOWN A TOWER ON 5 FLOORS HOW WOULD THE LOWER FLOORS CRUMBLE TO DUST WHY DONT IMPLOSION CREWS JUST BLOW OUT A FEW FLOORS & CALL IT A DAY INSTEAD OF SPENDING LOTS OF CASH & SPENDING MONTHS TO PREPARE DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THAT FUNNT VIDEO WITH THE IMPLOSION THAT DID NOT FALL BECAUSE A FEW BEAMS STILL INTACT LOL. IM NOT GONNA BLAME MY GOV OR ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE I HAVE NO PROOF JUST LOOKING FOR ANSWERS TO A FEW SIMPLE QUESTIONS.I CAN BELEIVE SOME BEAMS WEAKENED ON A FEW FLOORS THIS BUILDING WAS NOT MADE OF TOOTHPICKS IMAGINE STANDING THERE WATCHING LOOK AT THOSE BEAMS WEAKING WE BETTER GO OR SHE WILL FALL.

911 TRUTHERS NEED TO BE CAREFULL

STOP BLAMING WHO DID IT BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW & YOU HAVE NO PROOF JUST GET YOUR ANSWERS THROUGH WITH LOGICAL QUESTIONS MEDIA WITH SET YOU UP WITH DO YOU THINK OUR GOV WOULD KILL 3K+ AMERICANS AND THATS THERE WAY OUT OF ANSWERING THE REAL QUESTIONS THE BLAMING EASLY DISMISSES YOU AS RADICAL NUT TO THE SLEEPY SHEEPY TELL THEM YOU DONT HAVE THE ANSWERS BUT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERS & MAKE SURE THERE VERY LOGICAL FIND OUT WERE THE ERRORS ARE.

Thank you PopTech for the wonderful 9-11 debunking

website. Now that the conspiracy issue of 9-11 has been resolved, iff possible and time permits, could you create debunking websites for these other most recent conspiracy theories involving government:

Dot Com bubble
Housing bubble
The Patriot Act
The Military Commission Act
National Security Presidential Directive 51
TARP
National ID
Homeland Security
Man Made Global Cooling, er Warming
Chemtrails
Trans Texas Corridor
Social Health Care (by way of reconciliation)
Weapons of Mass Destruction (Iraq)
The Federal Reserve
Voting Fraud
MAIC

I'm sure I'm missing some very important conspiracies but these should be a good start. Thanks to your website, I have now come to realize that our government loves us and would never do anything to harm the citizens of this country. We need debunking websites to once and for all prove to the American people that everything our government does is to benefit our lives and enhance our future as a free nation. Thanks POP, you're a hero.

First thing I know you cant debunk is

NEWTONIAN PHYSICS. If you think the Pancake theory is plausible I may very well spend the rest of my life cloning Sir Issac Newton just so he can back hand you for sheer idiocy.

2 Aluminum kerosene planes full of kerosene cannot! implode 3 of the biggest steel framed buildings in NY all in the same day into piles of dust... IT"S IMPOSSIBLE.

You have to set demolition charges. It's that simple.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

What is happening here...

is what happens in ALL human failure, namely, the failure of the imagination. Some people cannot imagine that their government could be complicit in such destruction, but it is known that the US has been involved in war somewhere on the face of this earth daily for at least the past hundred years. It is known that organized government is the number one killer of life in this world, bar none. Also some fail to believe that some rouge element of the government can operate at such high levels unknown, but clearly the US government has, with great compartmentalization, meddled in wars, assassinations and attempts, political and social coups, deceptive propaganda distribution and professional counter intelligence operations. But what then explains the funding of Afghanistan against the USSR, the contra-affair, most of South and Latin American politics for the past century and a half, the vast cryptographic history from WWII onward (and possibly for a great deal before, and incidents like the attack of the USS Liberty and the USS Maine.

Some of us fail to imagine that people can be so bright and cunning as to engineer a probable future and apply vast influence to see that the chances of that probability increase and become self-referential and therefore self-inducing and sustaining. Some of us fail to imagine almost anything, because we cannot imagine without faith.

The designers and engineers of the Twin Towers tell us that they were designed to sustain unimaginable impacts, that a third unimpacted structure fell to fire, which of it's kind (steel frame) had never, nor has since, fallen to fire. But so too, the Titanic was "indestructable" and the Hindenburg was "safe". Who would have imagined such tragedy?

We are suffering here from a lack of imagination, the failure to have faith, and to question it simultaneously. No answers will come from the confusion and misdirection of disbelief, but so too we must be cognizant of the trappings of unquestioned faith. Where is your belief and disbelief? Where is your imagination? What trap are you laying for yourself at this moment for your failure to imagine?

If men have but one thing to build their Liberty upon, it is their free will, and its concomitant responsibility to respect that in others as well as defend one's own.

Assert Your Authority

Outstanding, ...

The anti-truth-ers are out in

The anti-truth-ers are out in force to try d get Michael to try and ban 911 discussion. Don't take the bait from this troll.

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70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!

Get Prepared!

How many is "in force"?

All I've seen is jocean and his partner krim-krash/nitt witt/and-a-name-yet-to-be-released.

Considering 9/11 is probably the most active single topic on DP, I think you've had a good run with very little opposition and quite a bit of freedom.

"The anti-truth-ers are out in force to try d get Michael to try and ban 911 discussion."

You don't think that's a slight exaggeration?

Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

Of course they are not interested in the truth but we can use

them to get the truth out. It is the people reading this who are reserving judgment, in good faith, who we are aiming at. This is how the disinformationists can also be useful, by exposing them as disinformationists, which is yet another nail in the coffin of the NWO. For example, the following comment by AMC says it all:
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IMO The easist way to attack the dust theory
Submitted by AMC on Fri, 02/19/2010 - 00:39.


Is to ask questions like those who claim to know the truth do.

How did such a highly reactive un reacted materials designed specifically in its nano form to react rapidly and to completion get from the inside of the building where it was needed to do the damage get down all the way down the street. How did this occur during an event in which fires and huge amounts of and energy where released? As this thermite dust settled on burning building would it not have been easily detected by the naked eye?
In controlled demolitions where thermite is used is it often the case to find so much unreatcted material so far from its source?

Nano thermite of particular composition should be traceable to a positive source or lab like a fingerprint to a person.

Considering the amount of thermite needed and it relative reactivity how was stored? How was smuggled in? How long did it take to smuggle in. How was it stored while it was smuggled in. How long was it stored for, how long ago was put in?

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First of all, it sounds like she accidentally posted an internal memo to disinformationists, "The easiest way to attack the dust theory..." May as well say "the dust thing." It's not a dust theory, it's an observed chemical signature from spectral analysis which could only come from one thing. Why feel the need to "attack" it? Either the evidence is convincing, or it's not.

AMC:
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Considering the amount of thermite needed and it relative reactivity how was stored? How was smuggled in? How long did it take to smuggle in. How was it stored while it was smuggled in. How long was it stored for, how long ago was put in?
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This is a fair question we will enlighten you. Is it not more than a coincidence to you, AMC, given now overwhelming evidence of a controlled demolition, that Marvin Bush, George's little brother, was a director of Securacom which held the security contract for the WTC from 1993 all until the day the towers fell? Why don't you debunk this? Because you can't. It's a known fact. So you will ignore it. The principal backer of Securacom was KuAm, a Kuwaiti company linked to the Bush family since the first Gulf War under Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, a member of the Kuwaiti royal family.

Security systems consultant Wayne Black told The American Reporter "when you [a company] have a security contract, you know the inner workings of everything." And if another company is linked with the security company, then "What's on your computer is on their computer."

The WTC were a small city, with round-the-clock maintenance and operations, and workmen, janitors, contractors going in and out of the building all the time. This is NYC, the city that never sleeps, remember? When is the last time you asked some guy in a work outfit in your building what he was doing? You do your work and they do theirs.

The thermate/thermite could have been painted on by anyone with access to the elevator shafts. The funny thing is the workers might not have even known what they were doing, boss says we're painting on extra anti-corrosion or fireproofing, I paint.

On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up, that means no security cameras.

AMC:
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How did this occur during an event in which fires and huge amounts of and energy where released?
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This is a common debunk lie, that the fires would have set off the demolitions. The ignition temperature of nano-thermite is above 900C, well above any temperatures which would have been reached by the fires (jet fuel absolute max burn temp is 825C under forced oxygen, as in a jet engine. The open air cook-off in the towers was more like 285c.) It would require detonation devices, and wiring. It has been estimated that with around-the-clock access the whole job could have been done in 3 weeks, and they had plenty more than that. We are talking hundreds of charges.

But it's true: when you do a job like this there is always the possibility something gets set off before it is time, which would exactly explain a thermite ignition which would cause molten iron to pour out the side of the building (not aluminum as the "debunk" suggests, Aluminum is silver, not bright orange)

video of molten iron:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tBNpDOpq3A

Debunking the debunk on how it was organic compounds which made it look orange, those chemicals burn off instantaneously on hot metal. It was bright orange all the way down to ground level.

AMC:
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Nano thermite of particular composition should be traceable to a positive source or lab like a fingerprint to a person.
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It was a particular composition, military grade. Beyond that no, it's not like a bullet with rifling marks, traceable to a single gun. I have to agree, your ignorance is truly astonishing.

By the way it is interesting to note that Marvin Bush should have been in the building that day but at the last minute moved his meeting across the street to the Millenium.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040411172330/http:/www.ananova....

What they did do was turn people back into the building after the first plane hit, who were evacuating.

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from:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html?q...

Both WTC 6 and WTC 7 were evacuated within minutes of Flight 11 striking WTC 1, but this did not happen in the twin towers. There were no evacuation announcements in WTC 1 following the plane strike, and workers were encouraged to stay in their building.

Dan Baumbach - WTC 1 Survivor:

Dan Baumbach, 24, a software engineer from Merrick, was stunned to find that building officials in One World Trade Center were telling workers not to evacuate even after the first jet struck. "You can try it, but it's at your own risk," he quoted one official as telling a group of 100 people on the 75th floor. Many chose to follow that advice; Baumbach continued his descent from the 80th floor and survived, but only after braving the debris that fell when the neighboring tower collapsed. "The reason we got out was because we didn't listen," he said. [Newsday]

"In the neighboring south tower people were also evacuating, but an announcement over the PA system tells them their building is secure and they can return to their desks..."

"Today it is still a mystery why no-one in the towers reached the roof..."

The solution to the mystery is simple - the roof doors were locked, as were many stairwell doors.
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If a jumbo jet hit your skyscraper, wouldn't that be an extraordinary event warranting evacuation and sending people home no matter what the initial estimates of the damage? There are 300 dead people from that airliner somewhere, body parts in the building and on the street. Isn't that a day? The conclusion is inescapable: they wanted to increase the body count, to incense the American public into the now $5 trillion war on terror. Isn't this disgusting, AMC? Why do you automatically call anyone who is upset by this a "hater?" I'll tell you why. Because it's part of your script, to play on an emotional level. You and your pal poop deck act as if this is a game you are playing, tit for tat and pulling a link from the rolodex your employers gave you for each issue raised.

People were murdered by a cabal within your own government (if this is your own government.) You should be demanding answers for a single inconsistency in the official story, not ignoring anything that is not in your rolodex, like the felony destruction of evidence at the crime scene.

This is a crime and people will hang for it. Quit your disinfo job now, for your own good.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

Nothing you said makes a difference when:

Ron Paul asked that 911 conspiracy people stop connecting him to the issue.

This is a site dedicated to Ron Paul.
Debating this topic here, attaches his name to the truth movement.
I can only speak for myself, and I will continue to do so.
But continuing the debate on this site is a dismissive of his wishes.
There are hundreds of places were the issue can be debated.
Doing it here is disrespectful to our favorite politician.

I sound like a broken record. Just call me skip.

"I don't endorse anything they say"
~Ron Paul On the 911 Truth movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyhlNY0y1k

I do not know how to quote

I do not know how to quote on this site so I I will be short.

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1. It is not a fact that thermite dust brought down the the towers, it is not even a testable or credible theory.

2 when you submit evidence to contradict a explaination you subject it to the scrutiny as the original explanation or you a hack. So if you can attack the original theory you should be able to attack the new theory as well.

3.Bringing in Bush's family does not support thermite or how it got in the buildings. It does not adsress how a highly reactive chemical was transported or stored.
It infact accomplishes nothing but add a another theory to an already thin theory.
It is common technique if bad science to throw a bunch of shit hopping some will stick or at least it will take a very long time to clean up.
Justifying a conspiracy with another conspiracy is like printing money to get your way out of recession.

RP is coming on so I will finish this later.

I thnk we're pretty much done with you

1. It is not a fact that thermite dust brought down the the towers, it is not even a testable or credible theory.

A lot less testable now since they got rid of the evidence, ain't it?

if you can attack the original theory you should be able to attack the new theory as well.

All theories can be questioned. Your problem is you have no evidence to show that 47 massive, vertical core beams can suddenly "pancake" flat without cutter charges. Even had the floors stripped themselves of the vertical core it would have looked like one of those old record players with the vinyl records fallen to the bottom but the metal spindle still standing. Vertical steel columns do not "pancake." They might weaken or distort, but they don't squash flat upon themselves. They do fall straight down in little pieces when cut all at the same time.

Bringing in Bush's family does not support thermite or how it got in the buildings.

Yes it does. I have proposed that his brother Marvin's company having the security contract (a company co-owned by the Kuwaiti royal family) makes it plausible that conspirators had easy access to the buildings, including the elevator shafts next to the core beams, 24/7 for years.

It is common technique if bad science to throw a bunch of shit hopping some will stick or at least it will take a very long time to clean up.

You just wrote the disinformationists' Bible. But at some point people start wondering who is throwing all the shit and why, and it becomes evidence of the wrongdoing itself.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.
-- Muhammad Ali

Glad you spoke for the masses

Which it typical of truth tyrants.
Save me some writting unless anyone wants me to finish it.

Money bomb to help AE911truth indict NIST

It seems that a lot of people are exhausted from ceaseless "debates" with shills on this thread. So please, keep track of their posts - sort of like a charity run where for every shill our shills shill, you give a dollar to the cause - and then donate your dollars (a small amount for each post they make) over at http://www.ae911truth.org to help the AE911truth people obtain indictments against NIST for not properly investigating the falls of the towers. The chip-in link for this indictment is on the upper left of the AE911truth website.

Then you will have accomplished something good and productive. This really is the only way to defeat the shills. Remember your experiences with short sellers on stock boards, who endlessly create and provoke discussions and arguments. The only way to win this game is to make each post that a shill makes have a cost. Maybe someone more capable than I could formalize this into a money bomb, and then we could even have board of honor, thanking the shills for their numerous posts which are then automatically transformed into a positive thing - money donations to the cause of reinvestigating 911.

In the meantime, see the AE911truth.org press conference today announcing the 1042 architects and engineers who don't buy the magical destruction theory of the 3 towers. One does not need an architect and engineer to know this. Just sit back and use your common sense.

I think we can agree on that.

I think we can agree on that.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Liar Liar

The problem with lying is that you become a slave to that lie and are ceaselessly trying to cover for your lies.

There seems to be an endless mountain of stuff that your type feels compelled to debunk. Nothing that contradicts the official tale can go unchallenged.
That is why you will always fail. Your sad little post only outlines how desperate you've become.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

For Myself, I am Skeptical of the Federal Government

I have followed the discussions pro and con regarding that fateful day on September 11, 2001. Regardless of the actions that resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans, I have an inherent fundamental suspicion of the central government. I just don't trust them; not at all, not ever.

This feeling of mine is based on facts not conspiracy theory, that have occurred over the course of American history. The Vietnam War, Watergate, the federal savings and loan debacle, NAFTA, the LTCM financial collapse in the 1990’s, the anthrax attack, war and the ongoing occupation of Iraq, etc. There are many more actions that have come before and after this short list, but it is a indisputable fact that government had a hand in these events: directly or indirectly.

Isn’t it possible then, the federal government was involved in 9/11 to accomplish some nefarious purpose? Isn’t it within the realm of belief that a powerful authority would operate in such a manner? I believe so and I believe they would do it again.

Having written this, I would support another investigation of that tragic event that caused the death of my fellow Americans.

The purpose of those criminal acts was based on terrorizing a population by killing as many people as possible. That is what suicide bombers do; they blow themselves up in public places crowded with people. But I do have one specific question about the collision between the commercial aircraft and towers one and two.

Why didn’t the pilots fly the planes at a more severe downward angle and strike the buildings lower, thereby trapping more people above the impact area?

It appears to me as I look at some of the photo’s from different angles that this could have been done to maximize the death of innocent lives. Why did they choose to fly the planes in a level flight path in relation to their altitude, if their goal was to kill a lot of people?

Just click the links

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/126053
if you think critically, you can read between the lines. What will emerge is an understanding that we're under psychological attack...

In the case of 9/11...

In the case of 9/11 I'm not suspicious of the "federal government" as an entity. I'm suspicious of certain individuals. I don't think every single person in the "federal government" played a part.

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

PopTech, try not to post a link in response.. answer everything

Why did the commission report say that the financing behind 9/11 was of little relevance? Wouldn’t cavemen who believed we should die for our freedoms need some sort of financial backer in order to successfully carry out their mission… and why did the Plans originate from Germany (where the head bank for the Federal Reserve is), not Afghanistan? Why were there 19 Saudis yet we didn’t go into Saudi Arabia? Why was every country we targeted after 9/11 for pre-emptive military engagement sitting right on the Eurasian oil Pipeline? Why was Unicol meeting with these terrorists 6 months before 9/11? Why is your name PopTech after Popular Technology? Is Popular Technology from Popular Mechanics… which seems to be the only source for 9/11 debunking? Is that why you are anti-Cannabis on your link… you work for Hearst huh? You work for PopTech who works for PopMech who works for Hearst… a company that has created fossil fuels, stamped out competition from biologically efficient energy, used prohibition to start wars, WHAT MAKES YOU ANY DIFFERENT THAN HEARST WHEN YOUR WEBSITE REPRESENTS ALL OF HEARST’S INTERESTS?

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican

:) I'm glad someone else

:) I'm glad someone else figured it out too

The OP is NOT interested in debating 911

He will not look at the numerous links everyone has posted. He will not engage in debate..he will only continue to link his BBC and Penn and Teller links and his 'debunked ~ you did not watch the link" etc..etc..

I have said it before and I will say it one more time...he originally came here BASHING MEDINA. He has been on this forum for over a year and NEVER engaged in the other 911 debates. I am sure by now he has all this printed off for Perry and MSM to use. This is a 911 straw man troll post and everyone here is piling on like it is a legitimate debate!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

It is inevitable in an open system like the DP for interveners

to exploit us. I have said it all along that this person is here to incite a debate over technical jargon so that he or she can label us. However, while PopTech is here pretending to not be at work I thoroughly enjoy asking PopTech questions about his or her origin. I simply used 9/11 questions so I can lead up to where PopTech was from, the site he/she links, the ideas he/she works off of, they all replicate Hearst. So, I want him/her to answer me about Hearst... I want PopTech to open his/her mind to the idea that there is a better way to live life then through beaureaucratic procedure. I do not challenge PopTech's debunking posts because I know what PopTech is here to say. I challenge his individual ideology as opposed to just satisfying his superiors.

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican

well, this is chilling--

then hold the line, hold the line . . .

I am learning a lot--

there are 'eyes' out there--

*sigh*

whew--

It's hard to imagine--

but then I suppose that, whereas I do believe there are evil people 'out there', some might come 'on here'--

*going back to my simple life for a while*

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

1988vote~ I'm going also

I need to attend to my family now for a bit...so I am taking a break from here.for a week or two. See ya after a while! And yes, this site is full of trolls and operatives right now.

Take care.

Peace

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Fair thee well Liberty bell!

I am leaving the country soon. I think it is a good time to get away from it all.. a little too much invasiveness lately, becoming creepy to say the least

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican

Fair thee well Liberty bell!

I am leaving the country soon. I think it is a good time to get away from it all.. a little too much invasiveness lately, becoming creepy to say the least

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican